Look, I saw the tape. Basically the cops were there because he passed out in front of a restaurant. They come, he starts to get aggressive and takes a swing at one of the officers. That officer is knocked off balance, his partner jumps in with his stick, about 3 seconds and two jabs later, the man is down. The cop stands over him for a good amount of time, plenty of time to slap cuffs on him and charge him with assaulting an officer, resisting arrest, and carrying whatever amount of drugs he had on him. Yet he just stands over the downed man and then continues to beat him. His partner jumps in and starts beating him. Another cruiser rolls in and two more cops jump out and start beating on him with their sticks.

Right when the beating resumed after he stood over the downed man, that is when self defense or any other justification went right out of the window.

Of course the man was grabbing the sticks, he was trying to stop them from beating him. You would do they same thing, and probably have done the same thing if you ever got beat with something. For the argument of him trying to stand up, he was tripped out on so many drugs that he didn't understand anything. The cops might as well have been beating a retarded man. That guy wasn't processing anything correctly.

This was excessive force. I have two uncles and a cousin that are cops. And I'm sure that they would say this is excessive force as well.

They could have buckled his knee by just taking a foot and pressing in the back of his knee so his leg collapsed. They could have mased him quickly. Not beat the living shit out of him for 10 minutes or so.

fuck the po-po the mans family members should try and sue the fuck outta the department the officers were from

Like I Said... I've Seen The Tape Also And Each Person Has Made Their Own Conclusion From It... Most Of What You Described Here... I Didn't Make Out From The Video.

^ I wonder if you'd feel the same if 4 men starting beating the shit out of you with nightsticks.

They Wouldn't Have To Resort To That Because I Would Allow Myself To Be Handcuffed And NOT Try To Fight An Endless Army Of Police Officers.

He wouldnt...

I used to think the same as Axe.

Then I got my ass beat down with clubs...

Now I have a slightly different perspective

not if you were really fucked up on coke axe

I hate you for posting this a second before me. - The End

What if you were in the right state of mind and were under the influence of drugs?

Wait til you have a cop shove you into a car....

And continue to do things like that...

Eventually you get sick of it and lay the fucker out

think about it....this guy was probly snortin coke while eating a big mac......so hes not hungry...they cant lure him with food.....and hes high on coke....there is no stoping him......he wasnt thinking properly......if i was high on coke and not thinking properly and weighed 350 id prolly of done the same

THEN That's What The Clubs Come In... "I" Shouldn't Have Been Under The Influence In The First Place.

You Don't Got Shoved Into Cars And Punked If You Conduct Your Self In An Orderly Manner And Cooperate With The Police Officers.

ok im staying out of this arguement............lmao at koncept gettin in trouble at his school for your sig......that almost happened to me axe

Punching warrents death?

I cooperated with the officers...
It was later proven the officer that provoked me was drunk...

He lost his job... but no action was taken to the other officers that beat me down...

My ribs are still fucked from that

i cant help but say word to this quote....punching should not lead to death

No. The Man Brought It Upon Himself For Not Cooperating... And The Excuse, "He Was On Drugs..." It Was His Choice To Be On Drugs... So He Still Didn't Cooperate. And By "Brought It Upon Himself" I'm Talkin About The Beatings With The Clubs... Which I've Gone Into Detail Numerous Times Before So I Am Becoming Tired Of Typing The Same Thing... And The Actual Beatings Didn't Kill Him... The "Excitement" Of The Whole Thing, In Combination With His Enlarged Heart, His Obesity, And His Desire To Do Drugs Contributed To His Death. So Stop With Your Smart-Alecky Remarks.

Axe, you know I respect your opinion but this statement is a bit absurd. Maybe in the majority of cases things go well and everything is fine and dandy like in mayberry. In real life cops do have attitudes, anger and agresion. Cops do have wives that cheat on them, bad days and bills. With that said, a cop can be out of line and harass a complelty innocent person for looking/acting in a Way/manner the cop does not agree with. So the cops proceedes to haslte you for no reason, then it turns into soemthing worse, is this not a common occurance?
Do we not live in a world where this type of action is common? Last time I checked we did, I am not against cops in any way. I just can't stand the abuse of power in any way shape or form. I do understand your position, but can yoo not understand mine? Just a thought... I have lived in the ghettos and rough ass neiborhoods all my life and this is what I have seen. To this day in my rich candy ass community I still see the same...

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Awaiting you to somehow refute my experience

He didn't cooperate because he was on drugs though, it's not like he had a choice. So are you saying that if you do any sorts of drugs, police are allowed to fuck you up and murder you with nightsticks?

I Already Said... He Did Have A Choice... And That Was To Take The Drugs. And AGAIN... They Didn't Murder Him With The Nightsticks Dammit.

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I still want to see if you side with the police beating of me

I Admit It Does Happen... And Those Are The Police Officers That Do Need To Be Prosecuted To The Fullest Extent Of The Law. What I'm Defending Are The Police Officers In The Video Which I Still Think Didn't Use Unnecessary Excessive Force. And Chrit... Your Experience Is A Different Situation... The Police Officer Was Drunk... Which He Should Be Prosecuted Also... And I Don't Know Your Whole Situation So I Can't Comment On That Yet.

In this case they should have emobolized him in another way, if you can do it to a 1000 pound bear, you can do it in this case..


I'm not a small clean cut school boy looking mexican, so every time I have any confratation with cops I fear for my life...

I assaulted 3 men over the course of the night.
I was on my way home when I was pulled over.
While being explained why, an officer began to shove me, at which point I ended up laying him out. At that point Backup was arriving. Soon I found myself being beaten by 4 cops with nightsticks. This beating lasted the better part of 5 minutes at which point I was coughing up blood. Turns out I had minor internal bleeding and severely bruised ribs.


From that point on I give the receiving end of a plice beating the benefit of the doubt. I believe the police are in the wrong until overwhelming evidence is shown that they acted appropriately. Which in this case is not given.

this website is banned at my school cussa axes sig...no joke

^ Lol

But I'm With Axe On This One.....

So he chose to trip out on drugs...fine....

but the officers are trained to realize when a guy is tripped out and are trained to know the proper procedures to take in order to bring the suspect in.
Just because it was his choice to take the drugs doesn't warrant a police beating.....

Due to his choice to taking the drugs, his mind was not functioning correctly.....the officers should have seen this and approached the man more carefully. And Lord knows what happened during the time the camera was off, those officers could have been provoking him. He could have been showing signs of aggression. But once shit started building up, that is when the camera was turned back on. That's when we are introduced to the man punching the one officer in the mouth. My question is as to what provoked him to take that initial punch. Was it his entire fault? I mean these officers know he is tripped up, if someone blinked too fast that guy could have went off.

But the people in the restaurant said he walked in there prior to the incident and was just dancing around and happy and didn't bother anyone.

Unfortunately, the only people who were close enough to provide an adequate testimony as to what happened during the time the camera was off are the officers. That is tainted right away.

By the way, the man's death went down as a homicide. Doesn't mean murder but it was described as homicide and the officers are suspended. At least some action was taken.

Excessive force was still used. The minute that cop paused and then continued to beat the downed man.....that is when any justifiable reason of force was thrown out of the window.

LOL... Dude, It's A Bear, How You Gonna Start Comparin A Bear To A Human? Humans Have The Ability To Reason... We Know What We're Doing... Most Bear Incidents... They're Not Even Attackin... They're Up A Tree... And Are Immobilized With Tranqualizers And Nets... So You Want Humans To Shot Other Humans With Tranqualizers And Capture Em With Nets? I Doubt That Will Happen.

You Must've Done Something To Provoke The Officer to Start Shoving You And You're Just Not Sayin It... And Then He Shoved You... So You Layed Him Out? That's Why You Got Beat On. You Expect To Knock A Cop Out And For Them To Ask You For Your Hands So They Can Handcuff You? Get Real.

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According to the laws they are sworn to uphold they should have just cuffed me.
I threw one punch...
Knocked the cop on his ass.

And suddenly I get beat on for 5 minutes by 4 cops....
With no resistence...

How is that remotely just?

And I didnt even reach for the clubs... I spent the entire time covered up.

How Are They Supposed To Cuff You If You Lil Hands Are Busy Punching Police Officers?

I punched one cop...

Then my hands went directly onto my car...

Then to my ribs...

Then to my head when I was face down on the pavement

Golden Rule... Never Put Your Hands On A Cop... They're Human Too. :)

It doesnt give 4 people the right to assualt you for 5 mintues...

^^word up...some cops beat your ass up to look tuff...

I Think You're Exaggerating The "5 Minutes" And Also... I Believe This Story That You Got Beat Up As Much As Your, "I Went To Prison Story" So I'm Done Debating.

I never went to prison...

I was in county...

And the situation was a good five minutes...

"maimed for life" or "life" ?

Not a hard choice for me personally...

WTF they are just cops, not Gods, not super-men, not any different from you and I. I know it's stupid to start shit with them on duty, but if you are on the recieving end of a cops abuse, are you supposed to let it happen? Just because the dudes a cop! Fuck that, if it were just two regular joe's, and one confronted the other in a hostile and threating manner, should the one not doing anything just let the other dude beat on him? I am making a gerneralazation here, I know this case is diiferent, but your golden rule sucks. What about that poor hatian dude in NYC, he got anally invaded by those nights sticks, was he just supposed to let them violate him like that. Not all cops are criminals, but when you act like one and wear the badge then you desrve what ever the perp drops on ya. Cops in general have a chip on thier shoulder, it comes with the teritory, but in no way does the badge require you give into thier every whim. Hell no, if that were the case we'd be living in a police state and we do not! If you assualt a police officer who is out of line no judge in this country is going to convict you of that. Sometimes they are out of line! I can testify to that!

finally some people with the same views!

Fuck the Police

But nah really....they have to do a job....regardless if its always "correct"....But really if you expect to jus do anything to a cop then your kidding yourslef b/c they are above the law and untill someone cathes them doing somethin they shouldnt then they can really do what they want