Unsafe sex is having sex without "protection" against STD's.

That is complete bullshit when it comes to "responsibility" of becoming a parent. Kids don't think about the risks involved. Well, at one time or another most people won't think about the risks of something also. By saying "If Two People Are Going To Have Unsafe Sex...Then They Obviously Think That They Are Responsible For The Risks Of Having A Baby, And Taking Care Of It..." you are saying that you have never done anything wrong, and never will.

And back to the whole part about having sex without the use of some sort of birth control device, they are not 100% effective. So what about those people who do get pregnant and wore condoms?

^It's still a consequence of their actions nonetheless. As I stated before...they made their bed, now they can lie in it.

If abortion was made illegal, you would have 1.5 million orphans available(per year) - 500,000 people are currenlty on the mile long waiting list(total) = 1 million excess babies. Since all the people who have gotten their infants are now satisfied next year you will have maybe 100,000 new people who want infants, yet another 1.5 million infants will be available plus in addition to 1 million 1 yr olds from the year before.

Yes a child has a better chance alive rather than dead. Can't really argue that. However, if unwilling pregnant mothers know that the state is willing to spend whatever it takes to take care of orphans it is significantly more difficult trying to convince people to be responcible. They'll just give kids up for adoption instead of having abortions. Further, they won't care about the health of the child since they're giving it up neways and so many will smoke, drink, and do drugs throughout the pregnancy as well. Call me a bastard if you want but I believe a better end for society and children in the future justifies abortion as an evil, yet necessary means.

I have respect for you an all man, but how disrespectful. You just called a child a "consequence". And is that fair to the baby? To grow up as a "mistake"? Please, that kids life will be shit.

You're going by statistics involving older orphans as well. Therfore making your point here invalid. As I stated before...and checked just to be sure. There are a lack of infants to supply the waiting parents anxious to adopt.



Uhh, how about no. They still have to carry the baby for 9 months. I'd say that would be more of a deciding factor as to whether or not they worry about getting pregnant again. More difficult to convince people to be responsible? So making them go through the 9 months and labor pains would make them forget about their responsibility more than just saying here...pay us some money and we'll kill your baby.



Virtually you're entire post is a huge compilation of moronic ideas and skepticisms as to what would "come about if abortion were not allowed". News Flash....abortion used to not be allowed. Making your entire post a feeble attempt to justify your thinking.

Sorry, this is a very touchy subject for me. My brother's considering aborting his child and I'm trying to convince him it's a mistake.

The child is a consequence. HOwever harsh that may sound, it's the truth. You gotta consider though, the majority of children in the world today are mistakes. My brother and I were both mistakes...we've turned out fine. I'm almost done with my Freshman year in college with 4 majors and 2 minors. My brother has 2 majors and 1 minor...also almost completed with his Freshman year of college. We've both lived great lives. Our parents were divorced and other bullshit like that happened. That happens all the time though. Our quality of life was no worse than a lot of other people out there. We've had our hardships, of course, who doesn't. However, a mistake has just a good a chance of leading a good life as does a planned child.

EDIT: My brother and his girlfriend....didn't sound right how I have it in the post.

a lot of you gave pretty good points about abortion. I think lethargic gave the best one. Here is how i will put it simply: According to the US government murder is against the law. Murder is defined as the "unlawful premeditated killing of a human being." When a baby is about to be aborted, it is premeditated.. the abortion is planned out. It has been proven that the life form being aborted is in fact a developing human being. So anyone that gets an abortion, is killing a developing human being, aka murder. For any of you who say that this is ok, because it is only developing, then i say that it is ok to murder Mentally retarded people because they developed incorrectly.

think about that. pz.

and an article i came across about abortion... please read, i think the point will come acroos to you like it did to me..

Let me begin by saying that we are a schizophrenic society in America. Case in point: We will fly a deformed newborn baby by helicopter and jet hundreds of miles to perform a series of remarkable operations, knowing full well that from a practical standpoint, the possibility of real success is remote. And the same hospital that will take such care for that newborn, defective baby will permit its doctors to take the life of a child yet unborn that has every prospect of good health. We will ship food to starving nations overseas. At the same time, we'll supply arms to that nation's enemy to kill those people we are feeding. We'll feed another nation of starving people beset by famine, and we'll make no attempt through information to control their population by contraception. We'll stop a cholera epidemic by vaccine in a country unable to feed itself so that the people can survive cholera in order to die of starvation. We'll struggle to save the life of a 1-1/2 pound baby in the neonatal unit of a hospital, and we will in that same hospital, permit physicians to destroy infants yet unborn. I submit to you there is a craziness, there is a schizophrenia to many of the things we do and permit in our society. The United States Supreme Court in Roe vs. Wade has decreed that abortion is legal. An unborn child has no rights. It cannot defend itself, it cannot speak in protest, it can offer no resistance to any kind of abortion surgery or procedure; but according to the United States Supreme Court, that's all right. It does not have the right to exist if his or her potential mother does not want the child to exist.

some people use abortions as condoms. like 'fuck it if she gets pregnent then she'll get an abortion" thats just plain wrong. in the words of my moms "god don't make mistakes" if you get pregnent then it was meant to happen, there are thousands of women that can't get pregnent, make their life better give them your child if u dont want him/her. I met a girl that got an abortion to keep the news from her parents that she was sexually active (in london u can get them bitches like teeth exams) its wrong in many ways, i'm against abortion.

another in depth thread in EI....shit..2 in 2 weeks..never saw this comin..

Abortion should be here. People need an out.

adoption is an out, putting a fucking condom on is an out.

word, I think EI has gotten better..

I stopped after that big word "schizophrenic." :thumbup:



Look at the thread starter. :rolleyes:


But on a serious not, orphanage beats the hell out of having an abortion. Just think, it could have been you who that abortion happened to. It's just not right. There's way to prevent it. Birth control, condoms, spermicide, abstinence (fuck that), and other ways. I heard they even have female contraceptives. There's already tons of STD's being transmitted every day. In many ways, having an unintentional baby is like an STD but worse. Even if you went through with the abortion, I'd feel horrible inside. There's better choices rather than abortion, it's another form of murder.

"its another form of murder"

not really, it is murder. read my posts bitch.

Let's say Phate was right. Still...we put up billions of dollars for bullshit that there's no logical reasoning for funding etc....I think we can afford a couple million on our nation's children.