i said, i dont like his style aswell, it just isnt for me, his voice just makes it worse, simply because it sounds un-natural to me. i didnt like big l's voice, but i thought he was fuckin amasing and still bump his shit today. i can live with a voice if the style is my kind of thing so dont try judge me on that.

You're just making excuses now leady, but ok, I understand, most people don't like to admit when they're being a hypocrite.

thats y i said hip hop right now is confused..i also said its still alot of emcees out here who keep this hip hop stuff real..mostly over there where you are or the mid-west..east coast is meh in the hip hop game now..and what you talkin about with freedom is easy to explain.hmm...if a label makes a rapper rap somethin he doesnt want then he signed the contract for the money..an artist shouldnt sign a contract that is gonna make them chance how they rap..they might as well sell their soul Soc..and u kno it lol..but anyway..another thing..honeslty..fuck the fans..if you're a real emcee you should always be your first fan..if you dont like it, fuck wit the people like..why go with the grain? to sell? Nah see..just gettin some music that you really like out to a group of supporters whether it sells or not is what would be betta IMO..but thats just me..and nah thats not all i look at, but thats all i see..i look at the real emcees out here man..but still i cant help to see everybody tryna be the same..got so bad that the two groups had beats that had the same baseline wit the snap but a different sample or tempo..everybody wanna snap lol..fuck dat shit..

not at all, read my post in reply to d, i said i dont like his style aswell, it just isnt for me.

big l didnt have a voice for rap, but he had the skills, the style and production behind him to cover that up and he worked his voice rather than his voice working him(which in my opinion is where canibus needs to work on).... i could name many other artists whos voice i dont like but still bump due to the fact they make good music with style and skills.

We're talking about a culture of people who come from a certain area dumbass. Soccer wasn't formed around English culture and where they come from and the experience from that, it's just a sport. Hip-hop was created in the hood, for the hood, and about the hood, whether you want to admit it or not. So when it hit America and developed here with ALL the early greats coming FROM here, it does matter ya big jackass. :thumbup:

Well the music industry is fucked as a whole over here. Put thousands or millions of dollars on the table in front of most people and they'll do whatever to take it, even though most purists like you and me wouldn't. As far as I can tell, the UK isn't filled with that type of shit where fads catch on every couple of years when record execs want to give a new group a gimmick, right? So I really don't think it's the hip hop being fucked up over here, just the music industry especially for rap/hip hop. I don't see how that makes the UK hip hop better, like I said, probably more pure, but not better. *shrugs*

Canibus is so fucking raw just rip the fuckouttayou type hardcore shit and his voice eccentuates that. I don't see how that's so wrong. Just like Cam'ron couldn't be spittin with Bis' voice, Bis needs his voice for the style he goes for. He changes it up a lot so I know he controls it, listen to Poet Laureate II if you don't believe me.

america these days is all about money.

klashnekoff(imo one of the best in the UK) was offered a deal by rocafella, and he turned it down cos thats not what hes about, hes completely indipendant at the minute, and has said when the right deal comes hell take it, but wont scarifice nothing for it, and then look who rocafella sign instead.... S.A.S... which as we all know then went with diplomats.

fact is, american lables want some of our best artists, but simply, cant have them which i honestly find fuckin hilarious.

One guy and that's your proof? American labels want to sign a lot of American heads and they can't, woopty fuckin doo.

like i said i listened to one album ages ago and it wasnt for me... upload that song and ill happily check it out.

my point is, people say UK is wack blah blah blah.... but american lables want to sign so many of the UK's artists and then basically get laughed at and then end up forced to sign our wacker artists, klashnekoff isnt the only one, theres quite a few and im pretty damn sure therell be plenty more.

Here's a hint...

Dem Franchise Boyz
Dipset
Paul Wall
Big Gipp
Lil' Romeo
The Bravehearts
etc etc

^^Major labels wanted to sign them too, and did. That doesn't change the fact that they FUCKING SUCK.

his voice sounds less course than i remember, which is good, i dont like the beat, other than that, this is pretty good.

ya dee ya dee ya dee ya

at the end of the day you said U.S hip hop will always be better because U.S invented it.

to some people football is their life like hip hop is to people in the endz and council estates...which ironically is where you'll find most footie fanatics...but you wouldn't know that coz you blink and all you see is what you wanna see and you hear what you wanna hear.

I mean come on for someone called Logic...you don't half chat frap son :thumbup: