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Young Drama 07-06-06 11:25 PM

i aint sed nuttin like "oh u gotta believe" in dis, i jus sed its wat i do n i dont c another way but watever floats ya boat bcuz i know many brothers who were gang members but changed bcuz of the nation, if it helps u then do it, dats all im say'n

Terumoto 07-06-06 11:29 PM

Yeah thats cool... Im just trying to provoke a bit of thought. It'd be nice if you backed up your belief a little bit.

Young Drama 07-06-06 11:31 PM

i'm say'n i dont feel i need 2, to u it may sound stupid but its been there my life bcuz for me hving to provide evidence means it has a chance of of not bein tru n nobody can change my mind about God

Terumoto 07-06-06 11:34 PM

What's your mind think about God? Just lay down your basic beliefs... What do you think you have to do to get to heaven? Do you believe there is a right way to live? etc.

GC 07-06-06 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Young Drama
i believe in him n i go to church

who else does?

if u dont u really need help

How ignorant can this post be?
Who are you to say everyone has to believe in God, anyone can believe in anything they want

Yvonne 07-07-06 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Terumoto
You can't just tell God what you want and eventually expect to get it after time.

This is what I dont understand about most christians. They say all this stuff, but they dont even follow the philosophies of the man they worship.

Jesus said not to concern yourself with worldly things. If people make fun of you, you shouldnt care. You shouldnt care about what people think or what you are going to wear or your job or anything. Absolutely nothing in this world matters besides God. That is what we are told.

So what if I prayed for God to give me wisdom so I could ace my college entry exam? It's important to me, but do you think God really cares whats important to me? Like you said, we are his children. Often children are too young and naive to understand whats best for them. So why would he help me with it? If I do get into college, it means I am trying to get a decent paying job. If im trying to get a decent paying job it means I am concerned with money. The bible says money and posessions are nothing, and you shouldnt concern yourself with them.

Jesus says look at the birds in the sky. They dont have money, yet God feeds them. They dont have belongings, but God looks after them. In the same way you should not fret about worldly things, because are you not more important to God than a bird?

So many people have this wierd view of christianity. Where its OK to sin, its OK to do all this shit, christianity is just considered a little side thing in your life. Theres friends, social life, parties, school, work, house, home loans, and then religion is just a little side thing that you believe in and occasionally go to church on sundays so you dont feel guilty for all the sins youve been doing.

The meaning of the word sorry is that you truly regret what you've done, and realize that. It means you are going to do your best never to do it again. When you ask God for forgiveness, you have to be sorry and truly repent. Then you have to try and change your ways, and stop sinning. Thats wat Jesus taught. He taught people to be kind, to follow the commandments, he taught people to be good people. He was such a good man that he even said he will forgive you if you repent.

Why dont christians see that? I actually think its disgusting what christianity has become. People dont actually read and understand the bible, they just take peoples word for it. If you sin, it doesnt matter because God will forgive you anyway. You can sin all you want, as long as you say "oh yeah god forgive me kthnxbye im going to go sin again now."

I dont mean to disrespect anyone, especially you, vonny. This is just my opinion. Take it into consideration, but dont take it to heart.



at point number one..hell yeah u can tell him what u want and u will get it after time...if only u had FAITH & PATIENCE!

Faith is determined by DETERMINATION..and IF you are REALLY DETERMINED to get that thing u want,u definitely wud be PACIENT(h/e dats written) and believe that u wud get it..and heaven helps those who help themselves..u cant just ask him to aid u on something or to help u get something and just sit down with ur arms folded..He is there to HELP..


At point Numba two..the bible says dont love material things..dont LOVE them more than God,which means u can be concerned cos God undastands that we r humans and we must survive with what we got on here..yeah u shudnt put 'em at the top of ur list other than God cos he's the giver of PEACE, JOY and HEALTH(life)..have u eva experienced that innermost peace and joy?wud u like to have a decent job and get decent payments without being happy,having rest of mind or gd health?...when u read the passages or sayings of the bible u gatta ask urself WHY..mayne the material non-loving things was said cos the devil is here seeking who to kill,decieve and destroy...MONEY is the begining of EVIL...check out most ppl,cos of money they kill..i know they gatta survive cos every1 gats to.. but why do they gatta kill when there r many other ways to get money?...becos of material things we develope anger,we do all sorts,...hat was said in the bible so that u'd be carefull not to put into action the temptations of the devil..Too much of everything is bad as they say and man is neva satisfyed(cos the devil is always putting pressure and more temptations in our mins)..dats y we christians ask for the Holy spirit to giude us and tell us what to do so we can get what we want the right way and live peacefully with it...


talking about the sins..well yeah this is another hard part for even Me as a christian..all christians got issues with sins too..every1 dose..but God dosent even expect u to tell him u are sorry now and therefore u abstain from it right away...he damn dose understand cos

1)we are humans and its not easy cos the devil still comes back to tempt us..more and more,and its not really our fault

2) it depends on how serious u are when u r pleading..u cant just say 'God i'm sorryiwuntdoitagain..iight thanx bye'..if it were u wud u forgive?...dats y even jesus said it 'the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak'..if u demonstrate that u are really willing then he wud be pacient with u..and expect that u abstain from that sin gradually...


with all due respect OMB :thumbup:

Terumoto 07-07-06 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Yvonne
at point number one..hell yeah u can tell him what u want and u will get it after time...if only u had FAITH & PATIENCE!

Faith is determined by DETERMINATION..and IF you are REALLY DETERMINED to get that thing u want,u definitely wud be PACIENT(h/e dats written) and believe that u wud get it..and heaven helps those who help themselves..u cant just ask him to aid u on something or to help u get something and just sit down with ur arms folded..He is there to HELP..

At point Numba two..the bible says dont love material things..dont LOVE them more than God,which means u can be concerned cos God undastands that we r humans and we must survive with what we got on here..yeah u shudnt put 'em at the top of ur list other than God cos he's the giver of PEACE, JOY and HEALTH(life)..have u eva experienced that innermost peace and joy?wud u like to have a decent job and get decent payments without being happy,having rest of mind or gd health?...when u read the passages or sayings of the bible u gatta ask urself WHY..mayne the material non-loving things was said cos the devil is here seeking who to kill,decieve and destroy...MONEY is the begining of EVIL...check out most ppl,cos of money they kill..i know they gatta survive cos every1 gats to.. but why do they gatta kill when there r many other ways to get money?...becos of material things we develope anger,we do all sorts,...hat was said in the bible so that u'd be carefull not to put into action the temptations of the devil..Too much of everything is bad as they say and man is neva satisfyed(cos the devil is always putting pressure and more temptations in our mins)..dats y we christians ask for the Holy spirit to giude us and tell us what to do so we can get what we want the right way and live peacefully with it...


Great explination. God is the driving force within, not some being that hands out what you want. But could it not be argued that this is psychological? A placebo affect?

About point number two, exactly. When I said that, I was referring to the christians to whom God is not first priority. And what you said about sins, I understand.

I HAVE felt that innermost peace and joy. I felt it once and since then i've been trying to find it again. Whether it is a "God" or not, I feel this great force, this untapped potential, the dynamic something within me and everyone. The feeling defies description and there is no experience with which this feeling can be compared.

I seek niether to posess or to be posessed. Money isnt an issue to me, I give away money almost everyday to anyone who asks for it (reasonably of course... To kids for food or whatever, not useless stuff). I dont covet paradise or fear hell.

Not only money divides people. RELIGION DIVIDES PEOPLE. If all the religions of the world were one, the world would be united in brotherhood. Some people fight with others because they believe in different religions. If they only gave the matter a bit of thought, they would never fight for such a foolish cause.

My spirituality is to let my mind be free. Not to localize or partialize is the end of my path... People should discipline themselves to let their mind go on its own way, instead of trying to deliberately confine it somewhere. The mind is infinite, so I look forward to seeing where it will lead me.

According to christianity, I am going to hell. Am I a bad person? I strive for compassion towards everyone and everything, yet I deserve to be tortured for all eternity? Jesus, your God's philosophies and parables are very similar to my outlooks on life. You could say I am striving to be like him, indirectly.

But your church, your doctrine, says I am a bad person. Didn't their God say to them judge not lest ye be judged?

If theres one thing in my life I have learnt, it's that this world is dark. Only a few people can see here.

Yvonne 07-07-06 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Terumoto
Not only money divides people. RELIGION DIVIDES PEOPLE. If all the religions of the world were one, the world would be united in brotherhood. Some people fight with others because they believe in different religions. If they only gave the matter a bit of thought, they would never fight for such a foolish cause.

My spirituality is to let my mind be free. Not to localize or partialize is the end of my path... People should discipline themselves to let their mind go on its own way, instead of trying to deliberately confine it somewhere. The mind is infinite, so I look forward to seeing where it will lead me.

According to christianity, I am going to hell. Am I a bad person? I strive for compassion towards everyone and everything, yet I deserve to be tortured for all eternity? Jesus, your God's philosophies and parables are very similar to my outlooks on life. You could say I am striving to be like him, indirectly.

But your church, your doctrine, says I am a bad person. Didn't their God say to them judge not lest ye be judged?

If theres one thing in my life I have learnt, it's that this world is dark. Only a few people can see here.



Word..i agree with all these..


on the mind stuff..thats exactly what God wants or wud i say partly about..u gatta let ur mind free do what u want but dont do bad..and when u wanna do good(u know gd things dont come easy) and u in difficulty just call on me..i am there to help or guide you..what u said is close to how i live my christianity

Most people are adamant,indeed...they changed the whole idea of christianity..i'm sorry to say this but even MOST pastors are so wrong..but w/e

Personally,the fact that i'm a christian or that i believe in God and the bible arent conditioned by the people arround me..if i choose to believe in God and be a christian every thing and every practice of mine is btw ME and God..this is maybe where u mistaking or most peeps r mistaking...they think and take too serious what pastors say and stuff..allthey are to do is explain the word of God..but yeah most of them eagerate and so on..u shudnt just point fingaz on the followers cos they are being taught by these patprs..who claim to see more than the others(refereing to ur last statement)...all the gossiping and judges as u said that gose on is just the work of the devil mayne...like i said TEMPTATION plus these pastors and stuff..very few..i repeat very very few pators are str8 forward and dont add or subtract from the saying of the bible and stuff...

but yeah w/e i share with u on some points there too..

Terumoto 07-07-06 10:16 PM

Word. I respect christians like you.


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