Tito:
"i like obama but clinton will do.... to lead us out of Iraq ... away from Afghanistan... away from Iran and Syria.... and back home where all that money is needed desperately to help rebound us from the recession we in... We need to look to alternative fuels... stop this Oil whoring... we Need alternative energy... which is something that the Dems are big on... We need jobs here at home... and a second or third Stimulus package"

But need I remind you, your vote is going to one of the Evils. not the Goods. You must be fooled or stupid?

Obama gets more money from the Nuclear Industry than Hillary. Why would a nuclear industry donate money to people? What does a Nuke Industry gain from a future president? Use your fucking head...

Mike Gravel wants all those things you talked about, he has plans for them all, he WAS democrat but because he talked bad about Hillary Clinton saying she's Anti-Iraq, and pointing out that Hillary Clinton voted FOR the Iran war, he was cut out of the debates. General Electric, the war-profiting business that owns CNN and hosted the democratic debates, then demanded that Mike Gravel have 1,000,000 dollars in order to show up on the next Democratic debate.

Obama said "There's nothing off the table with respects to Iran". And he gets funded MOST by the Nuclear Industry, fishy? Nahhhh.....

once you accept campaign money from a corporation, you are in-debt. Sorry, but John Mccain, Barack Obama (Even though he said he doesn't accept money from them, lie.), and Hillary Clinton all take money from big corporations. Ron Paul and Mike Gravel don't because they both know it's wrong, thus corporations have no reason to invest money into someone who won't help them while in power.

America can't help anyone until it helps itself. So uh, yeah, waste your vote on the evils instead of the good. I'll keep making my point on this site that there ARE better choices than Obama, Mccain, and Clinton, but I'll keep getting told it's a wasted vote on chance. Well, not to me, because in the end I can say "Well at least I didn't vote for that guy, he just made America a little bit worse, as I expected". While YOU can say "But I didn't know!!!!"... cry.

I have yet to vote for a winning candidate. I was able to vote against Bush twice to no avail. Anyway, I took a look at websites today of Obama and McCain because I believe they will be the two candidates to choose from when the time comes in November. I only looked at their "Issues" link because that's all I'm really concerned with. I didn't really agree with any of Obama's issues on how he plans to solve things other than leaving Iraq. Even though I'm a Soldier, I think its time we just let them thrive or fall on their face, but without our help anymore. I thought McCain's economic plans were more well thought out than Obamas which included tapping into the oil reserve to help lower the cost of fuel in our country. The reason we have such a high price for gas and oil is because we are importing most of it. Our dollar sucks in the world right now and the price of oil is not rising in other countries. Its rising in ours because our exchange rate blows donkey dick.

Anyway, I wish Obama would go more in depth on his website on how he plans to do things while president because he made like 3 points of how we can help the economy while McCain had double digits.

I do, however, completely disagree with McCain's views on Iraq. He wants us to put even more troops in there to wipe out all the terrorists and declare victory. It seems more like he's trying to win a video game than actually dealing with people's lives.

Anywho......just a few more cents from your friendly neighborhood Enygma :thumbup:

^ i think its funny that one of the things you AGREE with McCain on is his economic plan to lower the price of oil... it is estimated that his plan will have the possibility to save every American $25 TOPS. and thats the same for every American, rich or poor. doesn't sound like a long-term solution to me... McCain's plan is a short-term fix that will last just long enough to get him into office.

Well...Obama did CHOOSE Rev. Wright as his pastor.






...and sat under his teachings for 20+ years!!!!


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Fuck Hilary.

Obama for 08. :thumbup:

Two "Ls" dude.


two


NOBAMA!


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and you DISAGREE with Rev. Wright's preachings? i understand why Obama is having to denounce them for the purposes of being elected President of the United States by the WHOLE nation, but if you actually look at the issues he's discussing, his ideas are not drastic or un-precedented.

He's an idiot.


If he's living in America, and enjoying the benefits of being an American, then, he should STFU.

"GOD DAMN AMERICA."

That's damning himself. He's an American. O wait...maybe not...

Then, LEAVE.




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Uh, I'm leaving. Then when I do, and I say "God Damn America"

you'll either say, quite predictably:

"You don't even understand America because you don't live here"

OR

"You're jealous".

Please don't explain yourself I know the reason.

^^I was talking about Rev. Wright sir.








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But aren't we talking about an American saying the words "God Damn America"?

2v > Q ...all day son ALL DAY!

Exactly...which is why he's a hypocrite.


Obama sat under the man for 20 years, but only now is "outraged" by his remarks?


pssf


Politics at its best.






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he was speaking of America in terms of the government/dominant ideological America ya big lesbian dumby.

and, that is quite possibly one of the most ignorant arguments i have ever heard. "criticizing america is un-american and if you do it then you should leave." ummmmmmm, ACTUALLY, one of those "benefits" of being an American that you mention is the ability to CRITICIZE the government, or anybody you damn well please. this patriotic "American" that you are claiming everybody should conform to has been created by our society, it isn't natural.

Criticizing America isn't un-American if you include yourself.


Otherwise, he's a self-righteous hypocrite.

He enjoys America's benefits. Yet, he has "issues" with America?

Eh eh


can't have it both ways.


DUMMY




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