compare the start of this thread with the end, then reflect on rv.

ironic?

hip hop is dead

cos of wack fucks such as yourself

Naw hip hop aint dead mystic we jus aint got them true rappers in it no more! Wait and see once eminem cums wit his new shit and we see more true rappers we'll be bak! Real rappers that are in the game right now that are good=Eminem, Young Jeezy, even though i hate this dude but lil wayne, T.I., Plies, and alot more but 60 % of the artist are commercial wich is maken hip hop dead but trust me a simple song can bring it bak and were jus waitin to see it cum out and really give us that new motivation!

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young jeezy? plies?



really?


hip hop isn't dead.....at all, it's very much alive and well..it's fucking rediculous to say that hip hop music is dead, simply because backpackers don't hear atmosphere on the radio...the only truth to hip hop being dead, is it's fans have jumped ship because they've gotten too lazy to look beyond the radio.....honestly, you cats must be young....i remember the 90's...the radio was doing the same things then as it is now...theres good music on the radio now, just as there was before...is it my favorite music? No. Is it music i would go out of my way to buy? No. I save my money for real hip hop music..and im rich....what does that tell you? That there is plenty of good music to buy and listen to, and more importantly...enjoy to the fullest...people need to stop crying and over exaggerating when explaining the current state of hip hop.

BUT, if hip hop were to ever die...which it won't..but if it was to die...it would be because of people like you, who claim "real rappers" are artists like young jeezy or plies....what a fucking joke.

lolplies is hood and thats why i say that nigga is good! Jeezy is real no matter wat he spits the truth like his first album but were all intitled to our own opionin and u dont like em and i do and all ur points were correct so i agree wit u to a point!

Wrong.
In the 90's and early millienium they played songs like Nas - Hate Me Now, Jay-Z - Jigga My Nigga, DMX - Ruff Ryders Anthem etc etc.
When was the last time you listened to a song on the radio and was like "damn dude spittin" or "wow his lines is hot"?
Everything on the radio is for females or dancers.

Plies is hot garbage. I dont give a damn how "hood" or "real" he is, what about his rapping skill? 1 syllable rhyming. LITERALLY 1 syllable rhyming. His delivery is wick wick wack.m Plies is horrible, not to mention he fucks up the english language so much is ridiculious.

Ur opionon to r-evo was good but idc wat u say about plies and iwasnt sayin it like he was the greatest right now he aint even in my top 20 but he will be in the road ahead so instead of pissin peeps off wit ur opinons be more open to other niggas thoughts!

No, not wrong. Hate me now is one of nas's worst songs....and when he did it...50% of his fan base jumped ship because they figured he was going pop.....ruff ryders anthem is not even close in comparison to the level of music dmx has made, that hasn't made the radio or atleast gotten play on a cosistent basis. And jigga my nigga is another terrible example...another sub par song from a great artist.....they still do that exact same thing now.....take great artists...and play mediocre songs.....

i have a dream - common, hip hop is dead - nas, hot thing by talib kweli, blue magic - jay-z, less than an hour by nas...WU TANG IS BACK ON THE RADIO.....what more could you fucking ask for...seriously....i just named anywhere from 6-10 songs that they are playing on the radio now...that are all much better in quality and content then the songs you used for examples to argue my point.

Good point but honestly hip hop isnt where it used to be! People used to go crazy for lyrical songs by like Dr. Dre, and tupac (R.I.P) and B.I.G. (r.I.P) and ALOT more the hip hop on the radio now that people jam to is like cyclone and all them club banga songs! I mean i like that pop bottles and thats like the only one by birdman i like and also i like that im so hood and a bit more but im waitin for people to get bak into the true lyrical zone of hip hop!

You're right..it's not..it's gotten stronger. It's absolutely rediculous to think or even cater to the possibility of a decline in hip hop music. The only difference between now and then....is the lyrical element of hip hop has evolved...if dre had a new album...we'd still here it on the radio....just like we still hear jay-z on the radio...if pac and big were still alive...we'd still here them on the radio...which makes everything else completely irrelevant...because what the majority of the population wants to hear...is different than it used to be....why? Because hip hops fan base wasn't near as big back in the day...the people who grew up with it in it's "prime" fell in love with it for specific reasons...hip hop has grown so strong over the last 10 years that the fan base is equal to the majority of the population of the united states of america....the reason for this? The mainstream has gone out of it's way to please a large group of people equally, rather than a smaller group of people on an extreme level...what does this do? It allows people to make decisions on what they like about the music...there is enough balance on the radio or in the mainstream...for someone to say.."okay, i like this song more then that song...because of this" which gives them the ability to dive right into the style of music they prefer...the radio is an equillibreum for hip hop in general....theres no extremes in any of the music...the club music is mediocre..the concious music is mediocore...the feel good music is mediocre....hip hop hasn't declined....the only thing thats changed...other then hip hop exploding in the most diverse monster we've ever seen....is the fact that the people who listen to rap music...have changed their preference...it's not a matter of good music not being there...good music is all over the place...it's just a matter of people 1...not being interested in it.....and 2...people not taking the initiative to get music from artists they like....and refusing to put forth an effort to find artists that are similair in style....which says volumes of our societies lazy ways, and says literally nothing about the current state of hip hop.

WTF? Are you a mountain climber that plays an electric guitar?
lmfao @ You speaking on another's man's fanbase. Nas' Hate Me Now was NO WHERE NEAR pop music. And Ruff Ryders Anthem came out it was when Ruff Ryders had shit on smash. You're not arguing a point, you're just being oblivious to the facts to try to prove your case.
But I see right thru that.
btw, that Blue Magic shit is wack as fuck. Saying that that song is even half way decent or even better than Jigga my Nigga is an insult to Jay.
Kill yourself or dont speak on hip hop.

Hate me now is garbage, nas himself said so....ruff ryders anthem came out and was a good song....thats not the point...my point was, which you validated for me....was that dmx...and ruff ryders in general...were making much better music then the ruff ryders anthem....the anthem was a mediocre song in comparison to the other music they were making at that time....bringing that up tells me you don't understand half the shit I'm saying....blue magic is a garbage song.....thus proving my case even further...that the radio uses sub par music from great artists......


You didn't argue anything in your response...all you did was prove that you don't understand what the fuck I'm saying....and re-itterate what I've already said....without making a case for what you said previously.

oh, by the way.


If you respond...please explain to me how the radio was better back in the day....by using legitimate examples....you have no chance of talking your way out of this...I used examples to further my argument.....you used nothing in your response...step up or step off.

i agree dont got nuthin else to say im glad we reasoned lol!

When did Nas say Hate Me Now was garbage?
The RR Anthem was FAR FROM MEDIOCRE. The beat is classic, the video is classic and the song in general is classic. Majority of dudes lets say 18 and up still know every word to that song.
The radio dont use sub par music from great artists, its what the artist put out as their single. And lately, the type of songs artists have been putting out as their single is wack as hell.
The point Im trying to make is that radio has gotten wack as fuck.
Why?
Because all they play is southern shit, dance shit, or bitch shit.
Compare that to the 90's and the early 2000's when they used to play songs that had a rapper actually rippin shit up.
Like I said, when was the last time you heard a song on the radio and thought to yourself "damn this nigga is spittin" or "wow his lines is hot"? A LONG ASS TIME.


And for the other guy.. you said Plies was hood thats why I said ugh. Cause he's horrible. Its time to face the facts people.

The club music is mediocre. I dont hear a wide variety of conscious shit on the radio. And what exactly is "feel good" music?
If Dre had a new album it will NOT get played. Probably only on the west coast. But otherwise that.. NOPE!

Im gonna level with you for a second....but before that...Nas said it was garbage on an interview on hot 97...about 3 years ago...i can go into exact detail of why he didn't like it if you need...and ruff ryders anthem wasn't mediocre....BUT COMPARED TO THE MUSIC THE RUFF RYDERS ANTHEM WAS MAKING.....IT WAS MEDIOCRE....seriously man, don't just skim through what I write to you...this is the 4th time i've said it now....in relation to a lot of the other music RR was putting out out...the anthem is mediocre.....that's not a testement to how bad that song is...it's a testement to how good the music they were making is. And artists don't choose their singles...record execs do...which still has nothing to do with the state of hip hop...because the music is already there...it's just a matter of promotion now.....now, the radio out here, at university of oregon....is decent....they have some respectable cuts from respectable to great artists...however, i used to live on the east coast...and the radio was cool back then......BUT....i was back out there this summer....along with being in cleveland for a while(right across the lake from you)....and the radio is different out there..you're right....the radio is garbage on the eastern side of the united states..

so, now that I think about it....we really have nothing to argue about..because the what they play on the radio out there...is legitimately different then what they play out here...



oh well, atleast we can agree on something.

plies is fucking garbage.

Yeah, like i said before...it's a matter of location...feel good music....you've gotta know what that is...it doesn't really fall into any other category that has a more appropriate title....it's music that is just good, that makes you feel good..it's not necessarily concsious....or gangster...or anything....it's just music that has a good balance of production/lyrics/catchy hook............i.e....feel me flow - naughty by nature...that's really the best example there is

as far as dre's album getting played....i suppose it could come down to location like you say..but i really doubt it

Word on the feel good. I know what you mean.
Anyway I think location has alot to do with it. They play southern shit way heavier in the south than anywhere else. But the funny thing about Detroit is the radio stations are shitty. All they DO is play southern shit. They bump other shit too though but like alot. I've heard Common plenty of times though. But majority of the places I go all play the same wack shit.

This is to Decree Wun
If you think he doesnt say nigga You Should listen to his song I will quote a verse of his.

Song: Make It Rain "That Gonja Green that Cali Weed, a (nigga) lose his life try roll on me"

Song DJ Khaled We Taken Over Fat Joe' Verse: Blat, when you see Crack, better duck
like the mac gotta ease past, nigga what
Shit, I don't give fuck, I run these streets
Y'all talk that shit, I want that beef
I'ma tell you like a g told me
They'll come back quick if a nigga O.D

^Huh.. damn, when did I say that?

what the fuck are you talking about?

:Offtopic: lol
hip hop is talk that niqqas in poverty can always make sumthin of theyself.. plain and simple

werdness....to me hip-hop is my alternate culture

Hip-Hop is a way of life Not only is it 4-5 elements (If you seperate beatboxing) Its a style, a culture, a swager in which one who embarasses hip-hop always carry with them. Hip-hop is to me a element and also an emotion I LOVE HIP_HOP!!!

i don't think there is any definition that can be put into human language...without taking something away from hip hop...but if we are speaking hypothetically...I have to say...I like that part that i quoted...way to contribute.

Hip-Hop is a lifestyle, an art form and a form of self expression

Hip Hop is me.

me is hip hop .

:)
 

whatever it is . i like it ")

Hip? Hip hop?

Hip hop anonymous?

I coulda wrote this thread a fuck load better when I made it.

Hip hop to me is being me and not being someone or something. controlled by a record industry. I choose to do my own thing and style, instead of some rec exec putting me on the bottom of the pile.