This thread's got more essays than southern california.

yea norcal has a lot of them mexican dudes too though lol

You go to Heaven for having "Faith" in Jesus. Not just believing. You can believe he existed but not have faith in him. So many people say they believe he existed, but they don't believe in him. If you don't accept Jesus in your life why would I hate you? Why would I put you down? Only thing i've been saying is whats in the Bible. A lot of people are saying I dont believe in Jesus or dont like him because he doesn't do things for "ME" or the things "I WANT." or because he does not answer my prayers. Everyone in this world is always about "me, me, & me." This world is always just about themselves. Jesus won't give you everything you want. It says int he BIble the moment you accept him in your life you will face tribulations your entire life. You will never get everything you want wether you are with Jesus or not. You say the concept of Hell and Heaven is dumb.

So when you die, you'd rather not exist period? God made hell so there can be a heaven. With out heaven there is no hell, without hell there is no heaven. Heaven is there to exist for a reason. The people that accept our God and hell for the people that deny him. Its the same thing with our country. If you follow the laws and rules and stay loyal to america you are free and don't go to jail. But if you commit murder or treason against our country you to go Jail. If there was no Jail than why would people stop stealing or killing? IF there was no reward for being good and following the rules than everyone would cheat, lie, kill, treason, without any worry of consequences. Hell is the consequence and heaven is the reward.

Okay, showing no respect. So, by being open minded, when you say its okay to have sex before marriage I should say sure thats okay? OR because I believe you shouldn't do that I should say thats wrong. Or when you say Jesus never existed I'll say sure no problem. So I'll just go ahead and agree with everything you say? When you say problems in your life and say this is why I dont believe in God. Than sure i'll understand where you are coming from. But when you say things that are totally against the bible, or when the bible says this isn't true, than why should I agree with it? Same reason if you dont believe in what I say, you never agree with it. You keep saying I don't respect you. You keep saying that I'm weak. People keep saying that I believe in a God that doesn't exist. When I say anything like this right from the beginning I just rebuked and rebuked. If i said anything wrong than correct me. By constantly saying Your stupid in believing in Jesus than tahts being disrespectful. From what I could remember, I have not shown any disrespect at all. No anger, no nothing, just responses.

Whatever helps you get through the day, my friend.

I personally think that when you die, that is it. You are dead. You don't move on, you just rot in the ground. Or, should you be cremated - then you get to be scattered across some special place or sit on the mantelpiece in your children's crib. :thumbup:

You guys should study into dimethyltryptamine. You all seem to have a pretty jaded view of the after-life based on supposition. I have an opinion of the after-life and what a "heaven" is but it's also supposition, BUT, I have factual evidence that I believe proves everything is a part of God as god is a part of everything. God is indeed a living entity physically and spiritually with the capacity to think for itself, but everything around you and you yourself is a part of this God as he is a part of you and everything. What happens when we die? I have some theories on that, but one thing I know for certain is that when we die we will become a part of God in a new manner which is a beautiful thing one can't help but feel content about.

My God may possibly be the same God as yours that is described in the bible, the torah, the Quuran, whatever your belief is, or maybe it's not. My God is Omni. Omni is everything, everything is Omni. Such is my religion, Omni-intraomnianism. A religion based around scientific evidence, not faith. A religion which doesn't contradict or go against any other religion but instead coincides with the possibilities they state to be true. My religion is harmony. All within all, everything inside everything. Omni-intra-omni.

I believe if there is a god, than if he created every human being on this earth and knew what and how they were going to live and die from birth than why would he create people who he knows won't believe and/or be a budhist or muslim or in greek mythology have a different god for everything. Why would he do that because if you don't believe in him and what the bible states than you will go to hell so all those people will go to hell and he knows it. Yet he wants everyone to believe according to the bible than why didn't he create everyone to believe. I agree were filled with sin as a natural human behavior, but If your athiest, agnostic ect... but ur a really good person and help others without greed or something in return and do it out of a good heart and mind but u don't believe the bible than your going to hell for being a good person.

That is my biggest doubt in this situation. I believe in god i honestly do. I believe that there is a heaven and/or after life of some sort. I believe everything happends for a reason. I do struggle to grasp the concept that if god created adam and eve and than all of us as his children than why did he not just create us perfect without temtation. Why does he not father us as his kids. I mean i guess he could be our life and life is or father so life is god. Because it comes with fights, struggles, happiness, love, sadness and every emotion. But the bible says love no other gods so why create people to love other gods if he knows as he is creating them it will happen. And he says he is your father no one else than why was mary labeled as jesus's mother why when jesus was alive there were people label'd as a father. Alot of questions to be answered with the whole situation and know one will ever no. One thing that does irritate me that i will touch on is why in the world do people who believe in god critisize others faith. Thats a sin in itself. They think they are spreading the word of god by smacking you with a bible figurativly speaking and all their doing is hurting themselves.

To some up my opinion i do believe because its something to give me hope. I sin every fucking shitty ass damn day. I live life to the fullest not worrying about sin. But every night i still ask for forgivness and say amen. I like to have the sense of someone always being there and something to believe in. Someone who can take me after i pass. I do have alot of doubts which is a sin but guess what when i go lay down after i post this i will pray like usual. So is there a god and/or heaven or afterlife maybe....in my opinion yes and in some no theres not. But it don't mean regardless we should just shut up and get along despite everything because life is short why waste it on someone or something that you may never see. But isn't that a risk in itself to do that so its a different type of living on the edge.

I would like to say i respecct all opinions on here. Believers and non-believers. Every post got me thinking about something. But i do no were all entitled to our own opinions and know one will win this discussion/argument

man... shut the fuck up, seriously

Didn't realize i offeneded you lmao^^^sry i guess im not entitled to my opinion.

You didn't offend me, you just talk way too damn much. You wrote 3 body paragraphs AND a conclusion. Are you serious?

Ahhhhhh.... yes. Omni-intra-om-PANTHEISM.

^^ Uh, no. I've read books on pantheism. Am I giving you an entire 12 page essay I wrote on Omni-intraomnianism or am I giving you a brief summary? Sorry but there's loads of points I haven't stated which clearly allow people to discern between pantheism and my religion/theory. Am I some idiot who invents a religion that's already been invented? You tried too hard to be clever, instead you could have been humble and asked "Don't you think that directly resembles Pantheism?".

Pantheism doesn't touch on the subjects of our capacity for understanding knowledge, the capacity of human capability, the chemical dimethyltryptamine which our brains produce during heavy rapid eye movement sleep, our levels of conciousness, our levels of sub-conciousness, or the ability to experience dreams while in a concious state and the experience occured during this proccess. Along with a whole lot of other ideas and facts.

Edit: Oh shit I just realised you're 2v. Lol waddup Nathan you dick ass mofo, I already explained dimethyltryptamine and my theories to you remember? We had a long ass talk about it and you mentioned pantheism and I shortly explained the differences to you. You forgot or something? hahaha

instead you could have been humbled and asked me "Don't yo think that exactly resembles Pantheism".

Instead of omniintranonabombinascism you could have just attributed your idea to Pantheism.

And regardless of what pantheism touches on, all things have a basis. What you believe and pantheism share the exact same underlying basis: God is nature and God is everything. If it isn't the same thing, you had better emphasize on EXACTLY WHAT YOU BELIEVE ABOUT GOD, and if it's unique, then it's unique. If it's not, then that's the end of it.

Lol when did you become a dick? Is this the actual 2v? haha

Shut the fuck up, Pantheists don't believe in a personal God stupid. OMNI is directly inside you. That is to say that if you're subjected to dimethyltryptamine while in a concious state rather then asleep as it would naturally occur, you can physically see and communicate with God inside of you. If that's not a fucking personal God then I don't know wtf is. I just fucking said, I'm giving a SHORT EXPLANATION. I do emphasize in my essay, but i'm not going to post a fucking 12 page essay on RV and expect people to give a shit enough to read it. If you want to read it then I'll show you. I clearly fucking said that I know what Pantheism is and that I know my religion isn't the same because I had points that differentiate that I've yet to discuss on RV.

Lighten the fuck up

And by the way, look at religions smart ass. The muslim religion and the Jewish religion and Christian religion and catholic and protestant religion all have the same fucking basis. They're different regarding small little aspects and rules. But if we go by your opinion, that makes all those religion the same as eachother right? Oh wait... that doesn't make sense, infact it's fucking stupid ;)

If I'm a dick then I'm heavy
if I'm not a dick then I am light itself.
-2v da philosopha

anyway dont call me a dick, start cussing, telling me to shut the fuck up, implying that im stupid, and then tell ME to lighten up.

I didn't say anything to you in order to attack you, I brought it up in order to help you further your philosophy.

wrong...

Religions differentiate because they believe there are specific ways to believe.

Philosophies only attack each other when they directly oppose each other,

and that is why when a Muslim says you must bow down six times a day to your God, and a Jew says you must pray the same thing repetitively so as to put yourself in a trance, it is at this point that they will attack each other, and they appear to have differences.

But the underlying God that they believe in, all three of them will admit - is the same.

"omni-intraomnianabagoogalactoseintolerant"

That shit was rude and I don't take shit from people. I'm an Irish mother fucker, I swear when i'm calm cuz getting angry is a natural thing to me, it means nothings, I get over that shit faster then I blow up over it. That's why Freud said we were impervious.

exactly what I wanted to get you to say ;). Have you studied my religion? No. You based your opinion on a small fragment of what my religion consists of. My religion has a specific way to believe, it's own rules and guidelines, commandments if you will. Though shall nots. And apart from that, it has a ALOT of ideas and theories that differentiate from Pantheism. Infact that one brief statement I made is the only thing they have in common. And that's one statement taken from 12 pages of statements. Think about it hard home boy

So halfway through saying the word Asshole you've already calmed down ?

I don't need to think about it hard. Pantheism is hardly a direct philosophy with direct beliefs, it's simply this: God is everything.

If yours has the same underlying basis, then you have a branch of pantheism. Unless you're not gonna humble yourself. :huh:

Nah it's more like I beat you up, and THEN I help you up and ask you if you wanna go get some beers. I don't really care about the shit you said anymore. I might keep an opinion i've formulated on someone from their actions like for instance you steal 10$ out of my wallet and then thouroughly apologise after I punch you, I won't care that you stole 10$ and we'll be cool but I won't trust you again around my money.

But that's too an extent, lets say you killed my parents or something on that level then I won't get over that.

Uh, no. It has a similarity to pantheism but it's not a branch of it. That's the ONLY thing that's similair and that's not even my thesis buckaroo. Like I said, Pantheists don't believe in a personal God, my god is physically inside of us and every eco-system in the world. We have, with dimethyltryptamine, the ability to communicate and witness this god first hand. It has a form within us, this form is part of its whole form and shit that form may even be a part of its form in a heaven behind pearly gates where he posseses the image of a man. Who knows. The thing is he's everything and more, it is literally a living, thinking creature that has the ability to create life and have endless power.

I don't think pantheists believe in a God that can take a form that is anything but the entire universe as what they believe their universe to consist of. Mine can. My God is very spiritual, it's not just scientific. And it's a religion, not just a philosophy.

Think harder again.

Nope, need to think no harder.

No, because my God is a personal God and a Pantheists God is not. THAT is a huge difference which right there makes my religion different based on that.

Cuz I was exagerating. Everything as in every living organism bud. Grass, animals, living creatures, humans. That's what EVERYTHING was before there was man, and before there was man-made objects. So a fucking table isn't god and isn't part of god it's a creation of man.

Empty space isn't God, the stars were created by God but they aren't a part of his physical self. Etc etc.

But he's in anything that has life. This means part of us consists of him and part of him consists of us, but that doesn't make us God, that makes a part of God in us.

But if humans are a part of God, and used pieces of God to make something useful to a part of God that is themselves, then how is the table not also part of God?

=o

oh i see. so all living things are a part of god and all non-living things are just things that god created. is that right

Pantheism - God is All
Panentheism - God is in All
Spinozism - A mixture of the two

And now there's omniintraomnianism, the one that says 2v needs to humble himself when pointing out the likenesses.

Our arms aren't a pat of god. It's a specific part of us that is God: our souls. Non living things are things we created unless we didn't create them like stars etc etc which then is considered a creation of God but not a part of his physical self. EVERY living thing has dimethlytyptamine in it. Humans, sharks, birds, insects. With a basic chemist setup the chemical dimethyltryptamine can actually be extracted from blades of grass. The pineal gland located in the center of our brains pumps massive ammounts of dimethyltryptamine through our brains neuron passageways during heavy-REM sleep causing us to have hallucinations which we refer to as dreams; we don't remember experiencing these dreams unless we are exposed to dimethyltryptamine while awake rather then asleep as it occurs naturally and even then you will forget the experience or it will become hazy within five minutes. People remember by recording themselves talking about it as soon as the experience is over. These dreams are different then dreams during light-non REM sleep which is just our subconcious picking up our imagination while we're semi-concious at the final stage of sleep before we wake up. There's ways to differentiate these two forms of "dreams" but I won't bother with that. Our pineal gland is literally like a third eye. In reptiles it actually has a retina, a cornea and a lens. A fucking table doesn't have dimethyltryptamine in it.

You take DMT when you're awake, you experience some wild shit and spiritual manifestations that appear to be physical beings which you can communicate with and touch and feel, which I believe to be God. There's a relation between a fucking chemical our own brains produce everytime we enter heavy-REM sleep being the same chemical that can be found in every living eco-system in the world.

If you believe in ANY God that created life, then this means you believe God created a pineal gland that pumps this shit through our brain. And you believe God also put this shit in every living entity this universe posseses. This means you believe that God created us with the intention to experience dimethyltryptamine. These are facts. It is my theory that dimethyltryptamine is what a "soul" consists of and that our soul is a part of God and should you witness this or study this yourself you'd understand this to be very, very plausible.

Motherfucker I read Dr. Rick Strassman's book on DMT based on his clinical studies conducted at the university of New Mexico. Don't think for a second that I don't know wtf I'm talking about

oh so now you're not going to reply huh. :thumbup:

you can be a good person and apologise for being stubborn and admit you're wrong now. It has similarities but it's not pantheism or a branch of pantheism. It's omni-intraomnianism.

Omni is latin for all or everything, intra is latin for inside or within.

So God created everything, then created life, and every life form has a chemical in it that relates everything to each other, and so either:

A. God as a being comparable to a human, is everything and is in everything, created everything and everything is a part of either him (non-atheistic panentheism) or it (atheistic panentheism)
B. God as a being does not exist, instead everything is God (as in pantheism) and this God (as in pantheism) is in everything as well (panentheism) and therefore this belief is Spinozism.

or is it something else that we can categorize as one of the mainstream views of this world's pantheistic thinkers?

Will not apologize.

No, because pantheism doesn't believe in a personal God and my God is. They believe we are part of God as a whole, we aren't, only our souls are. Which makes God a part of our souls. It's not everything, it's everything that man didn't create. And like I said, empty space, stars, the sky, gravity, air, oxygen, a stick of deodorant, cement, an asteroid, comet, etc etc are not a part of God.

So not everything is a part of God which pantheists believe. Only everything with DMT is a part of God.

Say you're sorry :)

Why would I say that I'm sorry?

You are a spinozist who says the exact same thing as Spinoza, except you are also saying "And the thing that bonds us all together is (God) a chemical that came from God."

oh my, how radical of you, Spinozist.

I just was puttting in my opinion at the same time being open to all others including yourself. I could have just typed it all together and made it shorter but i wanted to explain myself on such a touchy topic. hypocritical of you considerin your arguin about your beliefs now and typin more than a paragraph worth in each post which has already surpassed mine by alot. Thanks for you ignorant comments that really backfire against yourself. No hate that was just childish.

"except"

shut the fuck up you ignorant mother fucker. You don't know shit

thats true but i was having a argument with someone directly, you just made a reply to a thread that was 3 paragraphs that is two pages back that no one is ever gonna read so u wasted time. U woulda done yourself a favor if u stfu

Possibly be true possibly not. I was replying to the topics in general because everyone is seeing everyones point of view. Do you think childish direct arguments back and forth people will sit and read. Considering the fact that no one hardly posts on here or loox on here anymore so why would they read comments that would probably scare the shit out of them to read because they cant except other opinions in beliefs. We will go on and on and we could both be wrong or right the ? is was it really worth it to talk shit or do you feel better now?

uh it wasn't childish we were discussing philosophy. You just said the same thing that everyone else has already said for 9 pages but you said it 3 times as long... that's gay dude. I was discussing a new untouched topic to someone directly who I know would read what I would have to say

Naw i was stating my opinion and belief on this subject honestly i read the first few posts than i posted. It comes down to you gettin mad at my post bein to long lol. Sorry :) hahaha

this is STILL going on?


jesus h christ

and you would know that cuz you are from england? i'm just hatin cuz that joke is old sorry