^done it...here latinos and blacks are all niggas

The problem is that many people diversify by race, and the minute people start adding limitations to characteristics then all Hell breaks loose. Black music is probably the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Hip-Hop is for everyone. Mos Def says it best:
We are Hip-Hop. Me, You, Everybody.
The very instant you bring in a characteristic as a limiting factor, that is when the whole group is brought down. Who gives a shit about race really? I mean, we have whites in Hip-Hop: Eyedea, Slug, Aesop Rock, El-P. We have blacks in Hip-Hop: Talib, Mos Def, KRS. Hip-Hop also has albinos, Hispanics, oriental descent, and even people from France and Switzerland are into Hip-Hop. So to just say that Hip-Hop is Black Music and everyone else are nothing but followers and must adhere to certain rules set by the blacks is blatantly retarded and even more blatantly racist. Wake up and realize that Hip-Hop is bigger than the flesh. It is all about expressing emotion. Hip-Hop is people music, and quite frankly, anyone that wants to participate in it is more than welcome to. I don't care. If they are good at what they do, then by all means let them do it.




I'm white. I don't like Eminem. I think that what he said was extremely racist and went beyond the borders of anger towards an ex-girlfriend. So again, you make a generalized, stereotypic assumption that the face beyond the posts in favor of Eminem are white, and those against him are black. Open up your eyes. Stop screaming racism when in fact, you are expressing racism yourself.

Whites are not the only racists in this world, and I have been discriminated against many times by blacks in my life. My two best friends are black and live in an all black community, and I remember vividly how I used to be called a cracker and white trash whenever I went to go play ball with them as a kid. So whites aren't the only ones that are racist.

I'm getting so sick and tired of this fucking white/black barrier/war that has been going on for the past 500 years. We all need to wake up, realize that everyone is a human being, and no physical appearance should limit anyone in ability or participation.

Do you realize that now they have college scholarships strictly for blacks? Some that are strictly for Hispanics? Programs that are strictly for gays? Organizations that hold a purpose strictly for women? These organizations are out for the betterment of a certain group, and even though they may hold a cause that is well-intended, what about the people they discriminate against? The women's organization portrays men as evil, they give rfuge to battered housewives. What about the men who get battered by the wives? What organization do they go to for help? Nothing is designed for them; specifically for them at least.

We spend so much time attacking the hatred of the different that we don't realize we are only isolating them more and creating more barriers with programs designed strictly for a certain group. Let's strive for the common good......not just one function of society.

agreed ^ except...

to be a part of hip hop, u gotta be part of the culture...meaning, that your probably gotta come from the streets. but yeah, i think we should all be cool with any race...our life would be alot better even for ourselves if we saw that everyone no matter what race was bein cool to each other, like u get along and everyones cool. some gay people who try to be street and badass discriminate and eliminate, and think they cool or badass. but no matter how badass u are, all our lifes are better if we just was cool wit each other and try to fix shit up.

You going in circles and running right into what I'm saying. You just got finished qouting Mos Def who in that same album who says hip-hop is 'rock-n-roll for the black people" and You might be big on the Rolling Stones but they ain't come up with that shit on they own" and "there they (whites) go tryna steal our soul, then turn around and try to call it they own". Acually he says everything on that album that I said in my post so you just helped my point by qouting a man who tell white pople to "GET YO PUNK ASS UP!!" So abviously you wasn't liseting to BLACK ON BOTH SIDES hard enough..LoL....

AND PLUS you just did EXACTLY what I said you was gonna do, you gave this whole we are the worldd speech about how hip-hop has expanded. Hip-hop is BLACK MUSIC becasue we CREATED it. Microsoft is always gonna be Bill Gates shit..yhea it's have expanded and oteher pople are in it but that always gonna be HIS jump-off, everybody eles is just working for HIM....

A baby can be born from it's mother, grow up and have a life of it's own, but it will always be that mothers child.....




I didn't say that whites where everybody is racist agaist everybody, I'm not saying black ain't racist too, you was the minority in you nieghborhodd and look how you was treated...
so if ANYBODY on this board should understandd I woulda thought you should have enought sence too..being that blacks are the minority in this COUNTRY......You crying about that experince in your communtiy when a Black Man has to go though that same ridicule multiplied by the rest of the country!?..now you tryna act brand new?!?....and if you do have black freinds do you call them nigga!?!?



Yes and they trying to take those away too, becasue too many of us are getting to college. You talking to a product of those scholarships, brah...and the same people who gave me the scholorship put me on so I can be the "token black guy" in they program..now it's too many tokens so they reniged the game....

So lets see who qouted from one of the most pro-black albums of all time "Black on Both sides" to souport your point, You claim to have been rediculed and mstreated in a minority setting, the same thing blacks have been for years as a minority in the whole country. So why are you arguing with me if you agree with me!?!? LoL....

Oh, so here is where the thread is.

Well as said before. This is racist. Even if he said it in anger/hate towards someone he broke up with. There's some 'truth' in it for sure. When something like this is said, there usually is. Would have to know and analyse the situation more in depth to come out with a more substantial psychological theory or whatever.

But remember, just cos he said some racist things then. Doesn't necessarily mean he was a full blooded racist. And doesn't mean he's a racist at all now. Then again, maybe he is. You know, being ironic (in a different way) with his blonde hair n all that.

Oh well...

Oxford Dictionary:

Racism
1. To hold a belief that one race is surperior to another
2. To express violent and hateful views on another race.
3. To discriminate and limit a person by his or her race.

Eminem has never done any of these besides on that track from 1993 - where indeed, he does make very racist remarks, and I listen to Eminem, and I'm not afraid to say that. But haven't you heard of "saying things you don't mean"? Anyone who says that they haven't said something they don't mean out of youth or anger, whether it be racist or not, is a FUCKING LIAR. Anyone who says that they've never possessed racist thoughts or even expressed them, is a FUCKING LIAR. I can say that one time when I was cut off by an Asian driver, I thought to myself "that bloody Asian". I regretted this immediately, and was stunned at myself. But I've learnt from that just as Eminem has with this situation - he's never recorded a racist word after that.

"Let's do that math, if I was black I would've sold half" - how the fuck is that racist? He's saying that if he was black he wouldn't have as big a fanbase since if he's white, more white kids listen. And there are more white kids that buy rap albums than black kids. So that statement is simply the truth.

"I'll drink malt liquor to fuck you up quicker than you'd wanna fuck me up for sayin' the word nigga" - this is not racist. If he said nigga, everyone would be on his back trying to rip him a new asshole. As they are doing now with black comments. What he said, in general has come true. Once again, he's speaking the truth. Not to mention the fact that he doesn't actually say "nigga". He cuts it out - that's the whole fucking point of the bar.

Racism is an act of hate towards to another race. I do not deny Eminem did this - he did - in 1993. He said somethin' he obviously didn't mean, and his prediction came true - he knew if he ever said anything about black people he would be hated on. As you can see, you played right into his hands. I knew all you "White boys can't rap, white rappers are trying to be black, hip hop is a black game" would love to see more excuses to hate on a successful white rapper. Aesop Rock, Copywrite, Cage (who says "nigga"), Necro etc. could've just as easily said something like this, but why aren't you attacking them? Because they aren't successful, therefore you already think that they've been exacted a fitting punishment - not much success in the rap game. I don't see anyone attacking Jin for being a Chinese rapper, even though he uses the same "self-racially degradory" manner of comedy and expression Eminem does, only he says it about Asians not whites.

And yes, I am white. I do enjoy Eminem's music very much. But he isn't even my favourite rapper, and I did NOT start listening to hip-hop when he came along. I recognise and respect it as a black art form, and it will always remain a black art form. But that's not to say that only black people can practise it - that would be stupid. If the world worked on "what blacks are allowed to do" or "what whites are allowed to do", no one would have racial justice beyond the stereotypes that were associated with them all through their existence. Hip-hop is universal; it is about expressing your emotions, making good music, and bringing joy to fans. Not about how your colour influences on what you can and cannot say. True hip-hop fans will respect any music in hip-hop, as long as it's good. And everyone who thinks about human nature will realize that we are all the same; and we all make mistakes in our youth and during anger. The only way to move on is to forgive and forget, before any real damage is done. And Eminem has not caused any damage at all.

I thought most people would be able to realise that.

word...but uhhh......this topic is played now......weve all moved on to how the king of pop pops in childrens asses

^ I dont care if its played, my opinion deserves to be heard by all :P... jkz

benzino is half white.....fu*k the other bullshit but d 12 got him with this line

U nearing 50 years old/ Your dadys on his deathbed your never gunna go gold/

Benzino is not a good rap artist in my opiion, he as well as eminem represent everything that is fake in hip hop while other real artists like canibus have to join the army, I wouldnt be surprised if the whole "beef" is set up, to sell records

If you listen to benzino or emminem go listen to something else,

Oh i am white but i have 2 cousins who are aboriginal, Not many white people are racist, who cares about street cred and hood passes

IT'S MUSIC!!!!


WHIch is designed for pleasure

is it just me or did Camarac change races half way thorugh this thread? he stated he was mixed race, then next post he was a Panther wannabee. Cam wot Em sed was foolish and i have not decided how i feel on teh mo yet, but uve always dug Em i remmeber back in the day u was looking for lyrics from rare tracks

fuck eminem he use to be coo but fuck him

Let me clear somthing up, when I said hip-hop is black music I didn't say becasue of that whites can't participate at all, or they are not ALLOWED to. I said if you dope wit it do your thang regardless, shit Emenim WAS one of my favorite emcees, I think he has one of the best flows in the HISTORY of the game, no joke. SHit I'm in the studio working on song for my album right now and I got a white producer on some of my tracks, its a white cat I'm coo wit in my class, he likes his Def-Jux and Atmostphere, I like my Jay-Z and Ludacris., but we cool though talk, debate, he put me up on stuff, I put him up on stuff. But he's not trying to be something he's not. He's not a 'wigger', He don't wear no Sean John and Rocawear, he be waering Gap and Amstimber & Fitch (SP?) He'll tell you stright up in a jokingly matter, "Man, I listen to white boy rap shit". But we respect each other becuase at the end of the day it's still all hip-hop, and he respects the game, he understand why he can't go around saying "nigga, whats up"..just cuz he's thinks he's hip-hop or "down".

And you give an example of other whites rappers, the only one stupid enough to say nigga was Necro, and I seen an interview the other day where he's crying about how black poeple don't buy his music.....hmmm Necro wonder why....I can go and find the link to were Aseop Rock says the EXACT thing I been trying to say all this time in less words. He siad "The Afrocentricity of hip-hop is always gonna be there becasue it was created by black people". I'm not saying whites, chinese, native american, mexican whoever can't be in it, just know you are an outsider.

This has to be the fastest growing thread ever..9 pages in about 23hours..l0l

Woah - O Healthy remembers me ?! Hahaha .. yeah, i was after stuff from his Infinite album, other than that i dont much care for eminem and now all this has surfaced about him being racist .. i dont particularly want to hear about him ..

^ Yup Everyone Knows Slim Is Racist.

^ didnt you make a thread saying how bad you wanted to be him ?!

Eminem is a talented ass motherfucker...

If ya getting offended, fine...

Be offended...

WE HAVE ALL SAID SOME RACIST SHIT AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER!!!

Get over it.

All this shit will do is...

MAKE HIM MORE MONEY!!!

Why?

Cuz Benzino has decided to help the career of Eminem.

Are you stupid enough ta not see that?

Benzino releases some racist shit, (with Em's permission)...

The reaction?

"Benzino is real! He's the real thing! He cares about the black community!"

Benzino's sales go up because he exposes "the evil racist"...

Then...

Em's next CD will address this issue...

He'll market it so that we know he's gonna come firing back with explanations and disses for Benz and Co....

"He's gonna set the record straight and really come at Benzino! He's gonna lay it all down like it really is, man!!!"

The result?

Everyone bum-rushes the store ta see what he has ta say/rap about it...

Benzino and Eminem's sales both skyrocket...

Can ya'll not see that?

fucka eminem what he said was fucked up

btw d-dizzle are you moedirdee by an chance? I

it doesnt sound very rascist to me... he said nigger.... omg

are you serious ^

Camarac
fair enuff but remember everyone weve all sed things we regret and he probably regrets that,it was off the top of the dome so he was probably looking for things that fit in. wot he sed was bollocks and fuckin stupid but imma probably give him another chance

Actually, I quoted from his 4 disc compilation album entitled "We Are Hip-Hop. Me, You, Everybody"



I suppose then Apple Computers is working for him too. So is Linux. Bill Gates doesn't own the whole fucking computer program industry.



No, I don't call them that because it is disrespectful and they don't even call their friends that because they find it disrespectful and think that those black people that use that word like it means nothing because an "a" is pronounced instead of an "er" are complete idiots and are ignorant to their heritage. And you start off with a Woe to the black man statement, and yet don't even begin to read what I'm saying. STOP LETTING RACE BE A MOTHERFUCKING FACTOR FOR EVERYTHING AND JUST ACCEPT PEOPLE FOR WHAT THEY ARE!!! HIP-HOP IS NOT BLACK MUSIC, IT IS FOR EVERYONE WHO IS FEELING IT. Get off of this fucking "Help the poor black man" stance and start striving for the common good. You stand there with a voice screaming discrimination to the black people behind your computer and forget about the poor man who can't even afford a computer, begs for money and gets nothing but passer-byers. The children who are orphans and get sent to an orphanage. That's not discrimination? Does that not branch off of racism? STOP STRIVING FOR A CERTAIN GROUP AND GO FOR THE ENTIRE FUCKING COMMUNITY, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE COMMON GOOD!!!!!



As I go to college campuses, I always hear them say that they try to diversify the campus. Yet on the application, they say race will not be used in a discriminatory manner. But we all know that if a white person and a minority have applications and let's say the decision is for the last spot in the Freshmen class, the minority will get it in order to diversify the campus. If I were that miority, I would feel very condescended to, almost pitied and given a free ride for my skin color. ooo his ancestors had it rough, give it to him. It will look good to be more diverse Doesn't matter who had the better application. This is why I don't mark my race down on any college application, or any app for that matter. I want these people to look at my achievements and goals and talents, not some fucking physical quality I was born with.



I was called many names for being white. They looked at me as though I was the main reason for the slave trade. I am arguing with you because you make it sound as though blacks set the guidelines for Hip-Hop, when it is a very expansive genre all on its own. I am saying that the minute you exclude a contributor from the group do to something of physical appearance, you automatically deny the group of that talent and hurt yourself. Hip-Hop is not black music. That is a racist statement all on its own. You make it sound like it is strictly for the blacks, and whoever else wants to be a part of it must be a black's "bitch" and listen to their rules. You make it sound like the black person can't listen to anything else.

Get off this idea that people must be separated by appearance.

two pages later... it goes on... with the exact same opinions i expressed three/ four pages ago. but camarac switching races was hilarious. next one to post admits to liking men by posting .

and do yall not realize how many black artists have released racist remarks about whites? do you see the whiteys bitching continuously about it ? NO ! SO SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT IT ALREADY.

^ you just admitted to liking men


homo-fag

lmao at you posting next.

ROTFLMAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHA coming out the closet?

^Both subtle and blatant. Some might say he's trying to confuse the issue to hide his true feelings...


(About Feeble Minded, not Eminem..)..

Born To Kill had the right idea ..

Yhea that the song you are talkng about is from Black on Both sides taht is included in that box set, adn you spent 50 dollars on that and didn't listen to a word of it, becasue like I said he talking bout everything a say in his songs







I didn't say the whole computer industry I said MICROSOFT. I was using THAT PARTICULAR COMPANY, NOT the whole computer industry. In that context Apple would be Pop, Liniz would be Folk..ect..A whole nother different thing. Microsoft has expaned just like hip-hop has, he has other people besides hiself involed in it becasue of it's expantion just like hip-hop has but it's still HIS company.



First off, alot of shit on you so-called replay is just plain made up shit. Becasue for one IF you do have black friends, which I dought very seriously if you express to them the same thing that you telling me in this post, then these imaginary black friends of yours whould know that dialog using niggas OR niggers toword each other IS part of our heritage. Like a said we been saing that word to each other waaaaaay before this hip-hop shit, all the way back to slavery times, like I said my damn grandma says it but it was between US, OUR way of communicating I explained the whole 'family' thing already so I;m not going to again. So it;s your black freinds that you SOUPOSELY have thats ignorent to they own culture. But liek I said I don;t know what type of black friends you got if you sit up and talk to them like you do on here, either you lying, Or you hardheaded becasue they woulda told you the same thing I am so stop frontin, joe

And why do you get this I'm saying woe is me thing, You don;t know what type of community stance I take just becasue I'm behind a computer, even poor people got either computers or playstions nowadays they ain;t that expensive no more.I'm not rich, shit I'm only a couple steps up from that very man on the corner if I didn't have the hustle to cut hair, sell little mixtapes on the side and have a day job at a factory whitle going to school trying and seeing where this hip-hop takes me trying to better my situation for me and mine to be in a position to at least TRY to make it. And belive me when I do, I will do the best to give back to WHOEVER needs it. BUT I gotta take care of home first. I gotta sweep around my own front door first before I go clean other peoples shit, I know blacks is not the only poeple poor I know it orphans and fuck up shit in other contries, But first priority is my poeple, what I look like going out helping some bum or orphan in some peckawoods or suburds somewhere when it's a crack baby that need care right arcoss the street from me becasue it's mother is stung out, by no means am I trying to save the world but I do what I can with the people closet to me that I see everyday and the is in the same stuggle. Is makes no sense for me to go get in a car and travel 50 miles to help sombody when my own brother is dying right next to me.



I didn't make is seem like nothing, we DID. When Kool Herc broght them trunatbles out, you traying to tell me it was white people spinning those records in Bronx projects!? S A white person wrote The Message!? White people had something to do with the ZuLu Nation with Bambatta!? You tryna tell me it was white poeple thought of Breakin' in the begining when it was being created? You tryna tell me whites poeple though of Grafitti? Last time I check those DJing Breaking Emceein Beatboxin' and Grafitti ARE the guidlines of this hip-hop shit...and white people ain't have nothing to do with 'em when they were being created, they made contrubtions later on but they didn;t help set the guidlines. And shit black poepl can listen to what ever the hell they wan't too. shit listen to some rock, not that much but a do babble, White peole can listen hip-hop, shit everybody can I KEEP SAYING THAT. But it ain;t no denying that hip-hop is black music be cause it was MADE by blacks, it's not black music becasue only balcks can listen to it, only blacks can do it....

If you make something, that shit if yours. IF you make a pizza for a party, yhea everybody can have some, shit you WANT peopel to have some so they know how good it is, but when sombody ask damn who made that you gonna say ITS MINE, I MADE that. Didn't nowbody help you create it so nobody eles can make that claim to say that. If John made the pizza they gonna say "Dman, JOHNS pizza was good", not Damn the EVERYBODY WHO ATE pizza was good


....Damn I gotta break shit down to grade school just for you to understand.....


ANd why do poeple keep twisting my shit around and saying that I said it strickly for blacks ONLY. I expained that shit THREE fuckin' ties already...I said it's black music becasue we created it, anybody can be in it as long as you RESPECT were it came from, and respect the rules of the game. you don;t play fuckin' basketball and not know what a travling is, and a foul is adn expect to to on any serious high school team let along NBA. THe dude who make up the game of basketball says, if you "Take three steps without dribbling that traveling, that how it's gonna be" Guess what, that how it;s gon be! You can;t gettin gthe the game on some "Well I'm gonna take five steps" don;t follow the 'rules' and you ain;t gone be playing that long


And by the way B Flame naw I'm not whoever you said I was...

damn .. you guys make posts i dont even WANT to read to see who i agree with = /

the worst part of all this shit is the fact that there are 9 pages of responses on this garbage. If your white black yellow or purple you cant fucking deny the fact that this shit is racist. Theres obviously a fucking double standard, when i go on mtv.com and see some headline "eminem says he was young and angry for racist comments" like who the fuck cares, its no excuse. If jigga or any "nigger" said that kind of shit theyd be dropped for fuck sakes. and if you dont believe me look uo shit on the dead prez

no shit thats what the fuck i'm sayin

Yeah, you stupid fool, it is a fucking album. And I see you were proved wrong, it is ashame I didn't post sooner because You know you went on for a fucking paragraph about how it wasn't an album. And I didn't buy the damned thing. I just quoted the title you idiot.






And for you imformation, not every black person isolates themselves from the outerworld controlled by the whitedevil

Here is a shot of my two best friends, Darryn and Carlton, at Darryn's graduation, mocking those idiots that try to act hard all of the time in camera poses. As for the "nigga" thing,their cousin called Carlton that and his mom quickly told him she didn't want to hear that in their house. You stupid idiot. Don't even try to make this personal and attack my life. You know nothing about me, moron.

^^^Mu'fucka, Thats the same thing you did you when you said I talk and sit behind a computer instead of help the better man, You attacked my life, something you don;t know, so don;t try to get all drama queen and shit on me. Being the fact that you keep arguing with me because I made my comments and since you do have black friends the stuff you sayin to me they should be replying with the same thing, if they bring up something about what happend like getting racial profiles or denied an oppratunity, what you gonna yell 'AHH GET OVER IT" like you keep telling me!?! And they gonna be cool with that!?!? SHit they gonna be mad, just like I am when I heard what Em said, and people is sayin "ohh get over it, he was just upset" AND PLUS, just becasue I said nigga was used before me don;t mean I go around saying it were my mom can hear. My mom woulda said the same thing too....And plus you already admitted that you don;t use the word, think if you was in that house and YOU said that word......It wouln't of been no just a slap in the wrist "don;t say that anymore" it would been alot more and don;t try to front and twist shit up. Weather black people say it to ech oterh or not is they CHOICE, but they have that CHOICE, YOU DON"T have that choice to say that shit to them. And I didn;t say every black person is hood either, but the fact they might not say it next to they moms but they still say it, at least they cousins to each other or whatever...but YOU can't say it. Which is the whole point I'm trying to make it the first FUCKIN place. I can see if you told me "You see that pic, I was in the house with them with they mom and all that and I said "shut up, nigga". Then that woulda been the story. Then my issue would not have been with you but more with THEM and they black, cuz weather that black person is hood, hip-hop, suburban, old, young or whatever most black people ain;t goin for that shit. So you tryna tell me if ya'll or out at night and the police stops ya'll, your black freind getts racialy prolied, harssed and threw to the ground by the police, adn they barly do anything to you What you gonna say on the ride home, "AWW shut up and deal with it you idiot!" This goes back to my first argument them, if you hang out with these dudes, if they go to prodomilty black clubs/events with them and vise versa the same with you, you tryna tell me you don;t see the difference in treatment in each setting!?! you tryna tell me everything is kosher all the time!?

And don't make me out to be this "cracker hater", not once did a say anyhting like White Devils or none of that shit......
....GODDAMMIT how many time do I gotta say that shit. I can critic some of the fucked up shit a think is going that don;t mean I hate white people, you aruguing black issues with me and you got black freinds so it don't seem liek you HATE blacks, so why when I do they same "Ohh he hates white poeple in general then"!?!?

ANd that Mos thing is a compilation but it's not no new matierial. That qoute is from Black on Both sides just like I said, adn they just made it the title of the box set. But the acually quote is from a concetual pro black album, just like most of his music...

Not just Necro, Cage also says nigga... If eminem really was a full blown racist he would be saying that word all over the place, but the fact that he's not to show respect to hip hops roots shows that he knows what he did was wrong and is regretting it.... i bet u that necro and cage have said things like this time and time again, but no one hates them... they aint worth 80 million dollars...... people say and do stupid things... anyone who claims that they never have is most definately a liar... just admit it and move on... face the fact that anyone with skill can make it in hiphop big.. you dont judge people by what theyve done in the past, its what theyre doing now that matters...

fuck eminem

Camarac is a wise man.

HAhahahahhahah Check This Out, I'm A White Boy.


NIGGER
#

1. Used as a disparaging term for a Black person: “You can only be destroyed by believing that you really are what the white world calls a nigger” (James Baldwin).
2. Used as a disparaging term for a member of any dark-skinned people.

# Used as a disparaging term for a member of any socially, economically, or politically deprived group of people: “Gun owners are the new niggers... of society” (John Aquilino).

Ahhhhhh Much Better. Now All Of You Other Little White Kids Know What It Means.