Either you are just a COMPLETE dumbass, or you haven't read the Bible (which also leads back to you being a dumbass because you say you're a Christian). If you've read the Bible at all you'd notice that it's split into 2 sections; the Old Testament and the New Testament. Guess what the second part is about? Jesus. But, of course, the Bible was just split up like that for no fucking reason at all. Are you fucking retarded? If you don't believe that Jesus is God's son then you aren't a fucking Christian. That's fine, and there's nothing wrong with not being a Christian, but quit acting like you know what you're talking about. You are just.. stupid as fuck.



Where did I say that you didn't believe in God? Quit manipulating my posts you fucking retard. I said that believing Jesus is God's son, and believing that he came down to save us or whatever the fuck, is the second biggest part of Christianity. That being next to believing that God exists. I NEVER said you didn't believe in God you fucking faggot.



I don't believe everything I'm told. It'd require you to know me in person to make that kind of assumption. The only fucking things you know about me, in terms of my viewpoints on certain topics, is the ones that I engage in debates in. You're just making shit up to try and discredit my arguement, but, once again, you're failing completely because you're just fucking stupid.

And LMFAO @ you bringing the Iraqi war into this thread. It's not like that's irrevelant or anything. And no, Apexx didn't "own" me in the AIDs thread. APEXX DIDN'T BRING ANYTHING TO THE FUCKING TABLE. All he did was type shit out and claim it was facts. I could say "Well, cu cullian, you're country has about 13.315346% increase in deaths of children during childbirth, due to the slight drops of cyanide put onto the needle. While your government officials state that this will help children develop, it's quite obvious they're using it as a form of population control." ANYBODY CAN MAKE SHIT UP OFF THE TOP OF THEIR HEAD, YOU FUCKING IDIOT. Apexx didn't even come CLOSE to owning me.

But please, try to stay on topic. Lmao. You're a fucking queer, dude.

If God is as the bible says, Omnicient and knows all...(future, past & present)...he must know every move before we make it, he must have known before we were even born. So would you really call that free will? I mean if he knew i was goin to go out today (jan. 5th, 2006) and drink a forty, before i was even born...how do i avoid that...? Flip it, say i decided not to drink that forty and instead go for a drive, he knew i was gonna do that too...therefore, this knowledge expells our free will...and makes the bible contradict itself, therefore voiding all of it. If one part is false, then the whole thing is. We're Fucked.

Yes, you could say he is omnicient, thus he knows what you are going to do. And its your choice you idiot.

walking outside, is your choice.
smoking weed, or deciding to let the blunt pass you, is your choice.

Just because god knows you well enough to know what your decision is going to be, doesnt mean its not your decision.

Fuckin think harder...Its like this...say I take a can of soda...if i drop it out of my hand...i KNOW (100%) that if will fall, due to gravity...Just as GOD KNOWS (100%) wat you will do...no matter wat decision you made...God knew before you made it, which one youd pick...HE KNEW. (100%)...there is no avoiding it...no matter which one you choose. HE ALREADY KNEW.

I'm not even gonna get started with this thread...

But its still your decision, he knows what you're going to choose, yes, but hes not making you choose one or the other.

Why.. are you a wussy or something?

Fucking word.

Thats why i dont believe all this 'all knowing bullshit'

what if there is no god?

Well obviously with any philosophical question you can pull it apart and get into other huge questions.

But this is assuming God exists.

If you want to make another "Religion vs Atheism" thread, go for it.

I don't think God is omnipotent. He can't make a square circle, as far as I know. He's powerful, not omnipotent. I don't think there would be any fallen angels(stating that you actually believe the biblical tale) if he knew everything. If so, if he was truly omnipotent, he'd annihilate Satan easily.

I haven't read through all of this, but to answer Drakel



No, it's not a little strange, because if the Universe recycles itself and since there are immeasurable galaxies with imaginable numbers of planets, it's not so complicated to believe at least one out of a near infinite number could support life. There is probably a lot more...the earth cracked, and volcanoes began to vent out atmosphere and whatnot, and other things...

Well apparently God is all-powerful... The bible says it.

The Bible says a lot of things, sometimes born of ignorance.

you have to realize, god GIVES us gifts, he gives basketball players their gift, scientists THEIR gifts its like through the scientists, hes coming up with medicines and stuff, but like hopes said on tha first page, getting into heaven as a default, wouldnt b right, cuz u could live hectic all ur life, and still go to heaven, god didnt "create evil" evil wasnt really "created" at all, its not an object its not tangible, its a way of life, and if after knowing about god and such you still choose to go that route, then its your fault for being a dummy, man i could go on for days, cuz i got alot i wanna say, but my fingers are tired

werd

:cool:

Let's see if I can break this down right.