I'm not talking about the Department of Defense. I don't care why they don't post up what they purchase. I'm talking about the Bureau of Economic Analysis. They've labeled when we've been in recessions, when our economy has been in the gutter, as well as when our economy has been doing extremely well. They're unbiased. What reason do they have to post up inaccurate information? They don't have one. That's why they don't do it.

I'm not saying it's outside all realms of possibility for the BEA to post up something that's not accurate, it just hasn't happened. Liberals and conservatives alike use the BEA to gather economic data. It's not a biased organization, and they have no reason to hide necessary data.

What the fuck, are you serious b?

Your contradicting yourself

Your stating that they have no reason to lie, that they dont lie...yet its not unreasonable for them to lie?

The goverment in itself is shady, period. Like i stated before, and i strongly belivie, anyone who doesn't belivie that is naive.

N this whole conversation is about the 'goverment' ....so why not include the department of defense? Why continue to narrow the subject, so that only 'one area' can be focused on? The only area, that you seem to know the most about?

Is it because you know the most about it? Or is it becuase you know that the other area's are even more shady?

I feel that if you only look @ one part, how can you justify the whole?

Its like saying...if a person lies to 80% of the people that he talks to...but doesn't lie to you, or your freinds. Is that person a truthful person?

LOL hell nah b. I'm the Kid, I kid I kiddd

I didn't contradict myself. I said it's not outside all realms of possibility to suggest that they could post up inaccurate data. Do you know what "outside of all realms of possibility" means? NOTHING is outside all realms of possibility. That doesn't mean it's reasonable to suggest that the BEA posts up inaccurate data because they NEVER have. They've been around since 1854 and haven't fucked up yet. That's why I trust the information they provide. That doesn't mean that at some point in time in the future they won't make a mistake, it just means it is HIGHLY unlikely. Up your reading comprehension man. What university let your dumbass graduate? I didn't contradict myself. Ask anybody who can read what "all realms of possibility" means before you start bullshitting again.

Define shady. I can't talk about whether the government is shady or not if we haven't determined what shady is defined as. And I only narrow it to the BEA because THAT'S THE ONLY GROUP WE'RE FUCKING TALKING ABOUT. Are you seriously this stupid? I posted up information about Bush's tax cuts, quoting the BEA's information. You said it's inaccurate. I said you're wrong. I haven't talked about whether the government's "shady" or not. I've been talking about whether the BEA is shady or not. Why do you keep broadening the argument to include an organization that's irrelevant to the discussion? It doesn't make any fucking sense.

This is why I don't respect your opinion. I respect people. The only people who have posted serious shit in this thread who I respect are In-Vision and Logic. Look at the posts I directed towards them, then compare that to the posts I direct towards you, Blay, and everybody else. I respect them because I know that they know what they're talking about. When I say something, they read it and try to understand where I'm coming from, and I do the same thing for them. Both of them are voting for Obama and I never called either of them stupid, or morons, or idiots or anything else, because they're voting for Obama for legitimate reasons.

Everything you're saying is bullshit. You have terrible reading comprehension, and half the shit you say is WRONG. It's not an opinion if you say shit that's inaccurate. I don't respect your opinion because I don't consider what you're typing an opinion. You have no idea what you're talking about, and as hard as you pretend that you do, I can tell that you don't. That's why I respond the way that I do towards you, and CALI, and Blay, and half the people on this fucking site. There's a bunch of morons here and you guys don't even realize how fucking stupid you look.

Like I said, I'm not against the idea of people voting for Obama. If you have different values or beliefs then I do, then vote for him. It doesn't bother me. You guys asked why I'm voting for McCain and I explained why. If you disagree with me, or think other things are more important, then that's fine. I really don't care. But don't start saying shit that's irrelevant, inaccurate, and then accusing me of dodging questions or being ignorant. Get the fuck out of here with that shit.

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first off....how do you KNOW its true? how? You really do trust the fuck goverment, dont you.


N how am i saying things that are NOT true? Highlight some shit, n they we can talk about that issue.


N so what, if you get your jolly's off by reading Vision's opinions, yippie yay!!!


You sound like a fuckin bitch on her period, yellin n callin names....fuckin immature lil prick.

Who gives a flying fuck, WHAT the BEA posted, doesn't means it fuckin true. Period. If you can't prove it, than it aint true. So shut the fuck up.

phil...you lose man. I've told you this same shit before. You basically want to "agree to disagree" on issues that don't allow such decisions.

Like...the sun is in the sky where i live, if you were here...you could say.."no it isn't" and i would say, yes..yes it is...here are some pictures i just took to prove it. and you would want to agree to disagree..and tell me to respect your opinion. when it's not an opinion..it's just a blatant disregard for the truth/factual information. give it up bro, you're not proving anything...you're being a hypocrite...and you're failing to really understand what austin is saying...you prove that everytime you respond to him. so take a step back, and really focus on what's being said...or just move on.

what are you talkin about?

He's sayin that the BEA is straight fact? All the time?


C'mon, wtf....who the fuck really belivies that the goverment, never lies.


Those numbers could easily be skewed as fuck....n he wants to fuckin rant on that they aren't? He can't prove it, so he shouldn't be fuckin pointin a finger, sayin that i'm fuckin dumb for not beliviing something that isn't truthful

see, this is where you become a hypocrite.

You can't get mad at him..for saying something is 100% truthful...(even though he didnt) when you turn around and say that it isn't truthful...you have no proof either...as a matter of fact...you don't even have any kind of evidence that would suggest that those sites arn't accurate enough to support all of mimesis arguments.....

so you can't legitimately say that it "isn't truthful"

you can say..."so he shouldn't be fuckin pointin a finger, sayin that i'm fuckin dumb for not beliviing something that i refuse to believe is truthful"


thats all you can say

lol, i can however prove that the govemrent has lied, many times to the people of the united states


n ....is the BEA apart of the goverment?

and mimesis could prove that the government has told the 100% complete truth..many many times.

Dude, i could esaily think up so many lies the goverment has done...and fuckin corrupt bullshit


here's one off the top of my head


You ever wonder why Iran fuckin hates us? See, they used to really really really respect American's way back in the early 1900's....but, when WW2 rolled around, we fuckin over threw their goverment, that we said we'd back, because it was 'pro-democratic' but becuase of us listenin to British Intelligence, flooding the U.S. goverment with propagnda sayin that Iran was leaning communist, which is funny, becuase Izerbajan was communist for a while, and haaatteddd being communist ...so in no way did Iran ever want to be come communist....the real reason, was because Great Britin, was finally getting told to fuck off, and that the oil fields of Iran, which was @ the time owned by British Petreloeum, were goign to finally be taken over by Iran. Great Britin protested, and said that because they had signed a contract with Great Britin that the oil feilds were always there. So ...blah blah blah...they went to a Swdish court and Iran won. But .....Great Britin, wento the USA...and the USA lead a convert operation, that over threw the goverment. N thats when the radical leaders of Iran started, because of who?? US

if you haven't noticed, the United States completely fuck's itself every time, becuase of the illegal bullshit it commits. Afghanstan? Yeah, we fucked ourselfs there, giving extremists weapons and training, to fight who...Russia. Why? Becuase were fucking dumb and think that if communisim spreads, that democracy will die.

We'll, the shit hasn't...

90% of the bad things that happen to American, wether diplomatic/forigen attacks/ect are some how always a retaliation because we always fuck with other people first

our goverment is fucked...and untrustworthy. period.

sorry if that lil break down was spotty, i took a middle eastern history class....with a close look @ Iran/American's realtionship.

I read 2 different books, and had a world re-nowed professor. Smartest dude i've ever talked to....i could break down the story even more, but if you go n google it, you'll find out all about the Shah's...n how bad we really fucked ourselfs with Iran

why are you telling me all this? I'm not arguing with the fact that our government has lied.

I'm telling you that...mimesis can just as easy say..."the government tells the truth"
as you can say "the government lies"


neither are completely true...so you can't fucking tell him something isn't true...and that he can't prove that that government isn't lying..when you can't prove that is lying...it's a very, very simple concept.

all these examples mean jack shit...because in the midst of all the shady business...the government has in fact...told the truth...what you CHOOSE to believe...is...your choice...but it's a choice...not a decision made for you by lack of alternative.

alright than


i suppose if being told the truth when its convient for the leaders of the free world, is really being truthful....than we'll agree, that yes, the govemrent can be truthful @ times.

regardless of it being convenient for them...

they can be truthful....just accept it.

theres no variable...they CAN be truthful..

say it with me.

THEY CAN BE TRUTHFUL, THEY HAVE BEEN TRUTHFUL

convenience is irrelevant to the point, and the point is..they have been truthful...end of story

yep, your right

goverment has, let me say it agian...HAS been truthful.

there..that wasn't so hard...was it?

nope


they sure are great guys, huh! Fuck yeah!


goooo goverment!

i wasn't saying that...or even implying it...now was I?

Fuck John McCain, i would've voted for hiliary, but that went down the shitter..

lol


hilary clinton....


rofl