Show some more songs, and I bet you I can find a shitload of similiarities...cuz out of his 3 albums, 85-90% is talkin about robbin people or shootin people, same shit with Pac...but Pac had more emotional songs on his double discs after his death.

we grew up with biggie and pac, thats why we hold them so high in standards.......that "gimme the loot" song was the 1st rap record i ever memorized that wasnt a radio single

All this talk about emotion/flow/subject matter should cease.

For those arguing against the true dopeness of Biggie, obtain a copy of "Niggaz Bleed", arguabely one of the greatest story tracks ever. It's in this 4 1/2 minute tale that Big displays some of the greatest lyrics in his career.

I grew up on them too, along with Pun...but I dont say theyre the goats because I've opened my mind to newer artists and realized peoples brains evolve and a lot of times do better then the older generations, I never said they were wack...I said they were overated for this time period, because there are emcees today that are better then Biggie in his time, simple as that, no hate, its a fact. So instead of saying that I like to say Biggie was dope for his time period, but underground artists today can outshine him.

Pac was first out with Digital Underground.
What did he rap about?
Look how he acted!

He played in Juice as a killer.
THAT is what made him known.
He took that success, changed his whole persona and ran with it.

Who has any comments about that?

I do.

Juice was dope. :thumbup:

Pac rapped about gangsta shit on 2pacalypse now before Juice came out, and yes I agree with the above statement, Juice is classic :(

no it's not dumb...they didn't have college courses for TUPAC when he was alive...now did they?


Pac's legacy is in danger, IMO...I hate when people attempt to rewrite history...Let's not forget that Pac was a knuckle head who spit at camera's and slept with countless women...So, to paint him as a hip hop visionary or a martyr is ridiculous...He was a man like anyone else...who said some deep things...But, his life was not a glaring example of how to live...let's not forget that.

his album wasnt seelin until Juice came out

Doesnt matter if it was sellin or not, he still made it, meaning he didnt turn into a gangsta when Juice came out like you said, it was before that.

He was a good actor.
His first solo album came out in November 1991
Before then, he was a shy "nerdy" kid. When he was in Digital Underground he just a dancer. How did a "thug" preachin "thug life, WEST SIDE TIL A DIE" go from back ground dancer to Gangster of the century?

"Bishop was psychotic, insecure, violent and short tempered. "

Much like the 2pac that everyone know and love today.
Is it possible that while playin his role as Bishop that maybe it got stuck in his head that he is REALLY like that?

I wish I can find the pic of tupac standin in the leopard skin bikini before he got all of thug life tattoos its hilarious
Yeah, He had deep and very emotional songs, but he was out solo for almost 4 years before he got a #1 hit single.

I also happen to believe that maybe 2pac WAS kind of jealous of Biggie Smalls. Tupac had plans to start a rap group, Biggie was goin join, but instead he went to Bad Boy.
Biggie blew up at Bad Boy, Pac's rap group fell through.
I would be kind of mad about that.
What reason did Biggie have to get Pac shot? Niggas is scantlos, they do scantlos shit.
They prolly shot and robbed him, JUST TO DO IT
Thats a BIG possibility, a couple of niggas just tryin to hit a lick.
If Biggie got Pac shot? how come Biggie OR Puffy didnt go to jail?
Its alot of holes in Pac's story, and a alot of holes in his thug life character as well.

wow @ me actually havin an argument about biggie in school today

biggie = dopest rapper EVER...jus an opinion...he was a real lyrical dude and he could definitely freestyle

If every rappers' album that you own has/had a commercial to promote it--->PLZ!!!STFU

If you dunno any rapper that didn't make VH1 & MTV's greatest ever lists--->PLZ!!!STFU

If you can't name all 9 wu tang members in less than a min--->PLZ!!!STFU

If the only rappers you know from the golden era is Big, Pac, an Nas--->PLZ!!!STFU

If you don't know the exact years considered the golden era--->PLZ!!!STFU

If you cant name all genre's of rap music---->PLZZZZZZZ!!!STFU

If the only underground artists you know are Immortal Tech & Canibus--->PLZ!!!STFU

If you learned about these artists via the internet or worse this very site--->PLZ!!!STFU

If u think u have broad rap knowledge becuz u dled sum talib, mos def, or common tracks--->PLZ!!!STFU

If you think Eminem was EVER an ALL TIME great--->PLZ!!!STFU

If don't own any of rap's forefathers albums(80's emcees)--->PLZ!!!STFU

If your reason for not owning one is "the beats are wack" or "I hate their flow"--->FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING HOLY!!!--->PLZZZZZZZZZ!!!STFU!!!

I could go on go for days but I'll leave it at that for now....quite simply majority of u don't know enough about rap & hip hop culture to even give an opinion...you can debate this all you want, but at the end of the day YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT!!!..and yes! I know I've said it 12 times but I jus wanna put the icing on the cake wit #13---->PLZ!!!STFU!!!

Oh and P.S. If you were offended by me telling you to STFU! note that I always said "PLZ" first...lmfao :laugh: