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Adam 04-14-08 01:19 PM

Question for people who like to talk about the word "Nigger"
 
Black fellow says to a white fellow: "You're my nigger."

If the white fellow responds: "Word, you're my nigger."

Is that racist or is the black fellow at fault for using the word?

I saw this happen in real life, the white fellow played it cool and only said: "Word." though.

WhoAmI 04-14-08 01:46 PM

that was the best way the situation could have panned out...take notes

Blackmage 04-14-08 01:50 PM

Meh. No such things as bad words...only bad intentions.

*Says the kid who didn't grow up in the 60's*

Blackmage 04-14-08 01:52 PM

But i will say this...alot of people say "black people say it all the time why can't whites"

Look at it like this. You guys used it for years extensivly, you used it up. And even if that doesn't sit well with you think of it this way.....

YOU'RE WHITE. YOU WIN LIFE.

Let us have a word

LMAO.

Adam 04-14-08 02:24 PM

It was weird for me, I came from a town of like 17, 000 and honestly, there was no black folk in our town, none in high school or anything and people used the word all the time in a non racist way at all, I mean there was no black people. Then a black person came to our school and started fighting people over it, it was gay.

JTR 04-14-08 03:12 PM

One time this white guy called this black guy a nigger at my school so me and my friends and the black guy started beating him upp... IT WAS AWESOME!!!

JTR 04-14-08 03:13 PM

What I don't get is why it's cool for spanish people to use the word, like puerto ricans and shit, but mexicans can't really, and neither can chinese, arabs, indians etcc

Why did the Latinos get the "privelage" to say it loll

shit is dumb man, it's a pretty stupid word

Adam 04-14-08 03:26 PM

^ True say my nigga.

Blackmage 04-14-08 03:48 PM

^^Lmao^^........

Indeph 04-14-08 04:51 PM

It's cool for spanish people to use the word because they're treated in a similar way in America. Asian people saying it makes alot of people uncomfortable. And as for a black person calling his white friend my nigga, most people who get caught in those situations already get it. The black dude uses it in the same way hed call his black friends that. Nigga just somehow replaced homie. The white person saying it in general would be considered wrong by most people, but I've seen some people be ok with it because they know their intentions behind it.

If compose or Rev or Blay said the word to me I'd be cool with it because I know they don't have any bullshit meanings behind it. Alot of people use it not because they look at black people as niggers but because they know black people don't want them to say it, therefore by saying it to them it means they're brave or some shit. Theres alot of complexities surrounding the word. It not only depends on the person itself, but their intentions behind it. I don't say it, but I don't care if black people or white people who I know say it. And by "say it" I mean just calling someone the word. Not just saying it in general.

JTR 04-14-08 05:01 PM

but asians were slaves too though =/

WhoAmI 04-14-08 05:22 PM

meh...it's just one of those things

just like souljah boy becoming famous, if you look into it deeply enough you start finding holes in the logic

Enygma 04-14-08 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkmanner
meh...it's just one of those things

just like souljah boy becoming famous, if you look into it deeply enough you start finding holes in the logic

ROFL.....


But yeah, I used to say nigga all the time. I'd say it to my white friends, black friends, it didn't matter. I'd say "I got away with it because......." but there was nothing to get away with. Its the way it flows from your tongue that lets people know how you're using it. If you say it with hesitation or looking around for acceptance, then you obviously know its wrong for you to say it, so you shouldn't have said it in the first place. But if you just say it in casual conversation daily with people who know you, there's really no harm in it. Wer had a dude in our neighborhood we called Nigga Mike cause there was too many Mikes in our crowd. He took no offense, it was just a way of identifying which Mike you were talking about.


And to be honest, I don't really use the word anymore. I outgrew it. It was part of my vocabulary when I was in Philly cause of what I was around. Now that I've been in the army for a long time, moving from place to place, I just stopped saying it :thumbup:

WhoAmI 04-14-08 05:41 PM

lmao NIGGA MIKE hahahahahaa thas on some Huckleberry Finn shit hahaha

Indeph 04-14-08 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JTR
but asians were slaves too though =/


No one gives a shit about slavery. The only people still talking about slavery are white people who say black people talk about slavery. Everyone were slaves at one time or another. What people are talking about is the present. White and asian people are kind of in the same position. Except asian people worship white ppl and white people accept their worship. Speaking in massivly general terms obviously though. But thats the only way to talk about this kind of shit.

Indeph 04-14-08 06:13 PM

Oh and enygma can say it because hes one of those cool white ppl that say it and yet it doesnt bother people for some reason.

SUPERVILLAIN 04-14-08 07:11 PM

whats funny is that in urban areas, EVERYBODY (well damn near everybody of all ethnicities...whites included) say that shit out here in cali on a normal basis. i dont really get it. i dont use the word unless im joking around and being a total dick to my black friends. and when i do that, i make sure to over emphasize the r in it. lmao. beyond that, i really dont use it at all. seriously, its just not my steez.


s.v.

Blay'all 04-14-08 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Indeph
It's cool for spanish people to use the word because they're treated in a similar way in America. Asian people saying it makes alot of people uncomfortable. And as for a black person calling his white friend my nigga, most people who get caught in those situations already get it. The black dude uses it in the same way hed call his black friends that. Nigga just somehow replaced homie. The white person saying it in general would be considered wrong by most people, but I've seen some people be ok with it because they know their intentions behind it.

If compose or Rev or Blay said the word to me I'd be cool with it because I know they don't have any bullshit meanings behind it. Alot of people use it not because they look at black people as niggers but because they know black people don't want them to say it, therefore by saying it to them it means they're brave or some shit. Theres alot of complexities surrounding the word. It not only depends on the person itself, but their intentions behind it. I don't say it, but I don't care if black people or white people who I know say it. And by "say it" I mean just calling someone the word. Not just saying it in general.

exactly.

but i don't say it because i'm not an ignorant dumbass who wants to make a big deal over the fact that them and their precious little suburban friends can't say one word in the fuckin dictionary... boo hoody hoo. get over it. there is a historical reason why it is a sensitive word, and i think us not being able to say one word in the dictionary is a little bit trite compared to the REASON why we can't say it. and please, don't say "well i wasn't the one that enslaved anybody" because the answer to that is NO SHIT, thats why its called history. that is still the reason why tenderness surrounds that word in our society... or at least it should.

and this is not to even mention the absurdity of the fact that soooooo much discussion goes on over whether blacks should be able to say the "n word" when the majority of blacks live below the poverty line and are the victims of the oppression that has made their culture used to operating in the way it does, and NOBODY wants to talk about that. its such bullshit. seriously, think about what's important and what yall's little middle school mentality asses want to bitch and whine about.

J. Luth 04-14-08 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Indeph
Oh and enygma can say it because hes one of those cool white ppl that say it and yet it doesnt bother people for some reason.

no it's cuz he's that NYGga

JTR 04-14-08 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Indeph
No one gives a shit about slavery. The only people still talking about slavery are white people who say black people talk about slavery. Everyone were slaves at one time or another. What people are talking about is the present. White and asian people are kind of in the same position. Except asian people worship white ppl and white people accept their worship. Speaking in massivly general terms obviously though. But thats the only way to talk about this kind of shit.


For an anti racist person, you're pretty stereotypical, and I fucking dig it :headbang:

Blay'all 04-15-08 12:38 AM

^ that isn't stereotypical. I'm in an African American Rhetoric class, and this type of thing comes up a lot... Du Bois, Hughes, Ellison, all of them spoke in terms like Indeph is. It isn't stereotyping, but instead it is a way of generalizing how other communities operate in order to properly observe how the African American community operates. Culture can't be ignored, and how Indeph is really speaking is in terms of culture. Not trying to correct you just because of our argument in that other thread, but that is a really important concept to understand... and i'll explain more what I mean if you want.

PS - I really wish somebody who i was addressing would respond and try to argue against that long ass argument i made.

JTR 04-15-08 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by N.A.D.A.
^ that isn't stereotypical. I'm in an African American Rhetoric class, and this type of thing comes up a lot... Du Bois, Hughes, Ellison, all of them spoke in terms like Indeph is. It isn't stereotyping, but instead it is a way of generalizing how other communities operate in order to properly observe how the African American community operates. Culture can't be ignored, and how Indeph is really speaking is in terms of culture. Not trying to correct you just because of our argument in that other thread, but that is a really important concept to understand... and i'll explain more what I mean if you want.

PS - I really wish somebody who i was addressing would respond and try to argue against that long ass argument i made.


I was only refering to when he said asian people worship white people

Blay'all 04-15-08 02:25 AM

^ As was I. White people are the hegemony (the dominant ideology). Therefore, when any other group does not imitate (or worship, or wish to live up to) the ideals of that dominant ideology, they are oppressed. Theoretically, this is true in any democratic capitalistic society. Indeph was saying that in general, Asians in America, in ideological terms, accept the role of living up to that "whiteness." Blacks do not, and are therefore discriminated against (systemically as well as ideologically).

Yall may be studying "debating," but this is what I'm studying :thumbup:

La Cosa Nostra 04-15-08 03:19 AM

i once KOed a black dude for bumping into me and raising his arms and saying "nigga what!!"

i pushed him down some stairs and when he got back up i king hit him full strength and he dropped like a sack of shit and didnt get back up...... dude was pretty big too... im 6'1 and he pretty much towered over me, but he was lanky...

not that im totally offended by that word, i guess in the situation it was more of a context thing... but at the same time, i do think its pretty gay to call a white guy a nigger...

if one of my friends said it to me, id prolly be like .........huh?

Blay'all 04-15-08 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Baphomet
i do think its pretty gay to call a white guy a nigger...

if one of my friends said it to me, id prolly be like .........huh?

that statement is assuming something though... that black people are "niggers."

JTR 04-15-08 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by N.A.D.A.
^ As was I. White people are the hegemony (the dominant ideology). Therefore, when any other group does not imitate (or worship, or wish to live up to) the ideals of that dominant ideology, they are oppressed. Theoretically, this is true in any democratic capitalistic society. Indeph was saying that in general, Asians in America, in ideological terms, accept the role of living up to that "whiteness." Blacks do not, and are therefore discriminated against (systemically as well as ideologically).

Yall may be studying "debating," but this is what I'm studying :thumbup:


It's still stereotypical to say asians worship the white man. Because first things first, when he says it he's only refering to orientals, which is already stereotypical because there's so many other countries in Asia. And second, because i'm pretty sure orientals in general don't worship white people. Maybe want what the rich ones have, but that's as far as it goes. You guys should actually meet more oriental people and talk to them or something loll.

JTR 04-15-08 10:43 AM

Oriental culture is one of the proudest cultures out there man

J. Luth 04-15-08 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JTR
It's still stereotypical to say asians worship the white man. Because first things first, when he says it he's only refering to orientals, which is already stereotypical because there's so many other countries in Asia. And second, because i'm pretty sure orientals in general don't worship white people. Maybe want what the rich ones have, but that's as far as it goes. You guys should actually meet more oriental people and talk to them or something loll.

I'm asian. FUCK THE WHITE MAN!

Blay'all 04-15-08 11:39 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by JTR
It's still stereotypical to say asians worship the white man. Because first things first, when he says it he's only refering to orientals, which is already stereotypical because there's so many other countries in Asia. And second, because i'm pretty sure orientals in general don't worship white people. Maybe want what the rich ones have, but that's as far as it goes. You guys should actually meet more oriental people and talk to them or something loll.

arrgh... i realize this, and i realize asian culture is proud, and i'm not trying to take that away from them. what you have to understand is that we aren't speaking on the individual level. we're speaking on the ideological level, and how entire cultures OPERATE in relation to each other and in relation to the dominant hegemony... once again, not on the individual level. most of the time when entire cultures operate in a certain way the people don't even REALIZE its happening, let alone do anything to purposely encourage it. i'm not saying asians aren't proud, and i'm not even really arguing ANYTHING about asians, Indeph made the statement... i'm just trying to help you understand the terms in which he/we are speaking.

Cola 04-15-08 11:49 AM

Nigger = no
Nucca= yes

Nuccaaaa, please

JTR 04-15-08 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by N.A.D.A.
arrgh... i realize this, and i realize asian culture is proud, and i'm not trying to take that away from them. what you have to understand is that we aren't speaking on the individual level. we're speaking on the ideological level, and how entire cultures OPERATE in relation to each other and in relation to the dominant hegemony... once again, not on the individual level. most of the time when entire cultures operate in a certain way the people don't even REALIZE its happening, let alone do anything to purposely encourage it. i'm not saying asians aren't proud, and i'm not even really arguing ANYTHING about asians, Indeph made the statement... i'm just trying to help you understand the terms in which he/we are speaking.


Man I sort of agree but no one said stereotypes aren't true...

Chinese people are short = Stereotype

Yet we all know, chinese people ARE fucking short

ya dig

Cocaine 04-15-08 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Bull
It was weird for me, I came from a town of like 17, 000 and honestly, there was no black folk in our town, none in high school or anything and people used the word all the time in a non racist way at all, I mean there was no black people. Then a black person came to our school and started fighting people over it, it was gay.



exactly how it is in my town, everyone says it here, most of the blacks dont get offended cuz its used like bro

JTR 04-15-08 02:25 PM

do they fuck cousins in ur town?

Blay'all 04-15-08 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Bull
It was weird for me, I came from a town of like 17, 000 and honestly, there was no black folk in our town, none in high school or anything and people used the word all the time in a non racist way at all, I mean there was no black people. Then a black person came to our school and started fighting people over it, it was gay.

so you were a bunch of white kids running around calling each other "nigga," and when a "black person" comes to town and whoops your asses THAT is gay?

:bored:

*hopes this happened in the 4th grade and yall weren't really that annoying in high school*

J. Luth 04-15-08 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JTR
do they fuck cousins in ur town?

nah but they prolly let mimesis ghostwrite there tho

(couldn't resist tho)

Lay. 04-15-08 04:23 PM

Rule is, you can only call someone nigga. If you are someone's nigga. You can't go up to a random black guy and toss the N word around..You guys shoulda prolly showed some discression when that black dude came to down an let him lighten up to you before he got introduced to you racist fuckers..even though u guys weren't sayin it to be racist lol. prolly came off that way..

JTR 04-15-08 06:10 PM

why would you even call another wite guy nigga if there's not a single black person in your town? lol....

JTR 04-15-08 06:11 PM

then again why would a black guy get mad at a white guy saying my nigga to another white guy, loll shit is just jokes

ITS SUCH A FUCKING STUPID WORD MAN

Lay. 04-15-08 06:15 PM

He was prolly on edge bout bein the only black dude in town..an snapped when he heard the n word..



now everyone calls him Token


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