if u dont believe in God, what do you believe in?
 

thats it, if u dont believe in God, what do you believe in? if u don't believe sin is bad what are you really doing with your life, you're just makin things more difficult for other people or your self, cuz every time u sin its affecting someone in a negitive way. and if u don't believe that its affecting you. :shoot:

^^^^^^^word, thats why jesus said if your not with me your against me..knew that already but coinsadenly(spell check) i read that a few hours ago when i was reading my bible

actually the belief in God should not effect how you see "sin"
in essence sinning is doing wrong, its just giving it a new name.

if i don't believe in sin it doesn't meant i don't believe that killing people is wrong, i just don't give "wrongs" the name sin.

if you don't believe "sin" is bad then your probably a sociopath or along those lines because if you believe the world is millions of years old bad choices were here before it was given the name sin.

at least thats how i see "sin" pertaining to believing in God.

to answer the other question of what do you believe in.

why must i have a belief in anything other than myself?
IMHO I believe that there is a God but I don't have to get down on my hands an knees to be a believer.

God will not judge me for my actions or my sins, he will judge me for my person an for what I hold true to me.

no he will judge u for your sins....................

i said that too broadly.

Judgment based on the broad scope of "sins" is ludicrous.

What I meant is God WILL NOT judge me based on my sins overall, I think a real judgment would be based on the person themselves. Not because of decisions they made, if God is all knowing he wouldn't need Sins to judge a person. He would know.

If you look at it from that standpoint sins are trivial, we know whats wrong and right and we follow our own paths.

If you believe in Predetermined Destiny then God already knows who's going to heaven an hell right?

I think the basis for providing free will was for questions such as the ones we ask today but to a traditional christian questioning anything about God would determine I'm going to hell.
I don't believe that, I'm not as narrow minded to believe that God gave us freewill/free thought to not use.

Christianity is funny, the amount of contradictions that it shows cracks me up

I beleive in myself. Thats al I need to carry me through life.

and Alah .

shut the fuck up, just because you dont believe in god doesnt mean you're going to kill rape and steal all the time with no remorse.

damn

thankk you! thats what im saying my nigga

Religion And Politics Is Something You Should Not Bring Up It's Always Going To Stir Something Up....

^religion more than politics. lol.

politics + religion = semantics.

Figure it out

i dont believe in god i just believe in myself...religion contradicts itself and is just another way to manipulate peoples lifestyles dictating their thoughts and actions. theres a scientific explanation to everything and as time goes by what seemed to be an "act of god" was simply another question waiting for an answer. god is just an excuse for things we dont understand. a false fantasy people believe in to help not feel alone.

the existance of god breaks the rules of possibilty and if he did exist he would be a complete hypacrite. if u believe in god u might as well believe in radioactive spiders and kryptonite.

my bad for repeating what some people already said (in almost exact words) didnt really read much farther than the 1st 2 posts

^^I know we all have our own opinions, but I think you're wrong man. There was a time where I thought of it the same way, but I opened my mind. Look, God doesn't have to be a mainstream image that religions have cut him out to be. God can be anything, you talked about science and what we don't know? Maybe science and the knowledge that we don't posses is what Gods essence actually conists of. Personally I believe God is everything, the entire universe. Everything is part of God and God is a part of everything and together we form one giant and incredible entity. There are things that go beyond the capacity of what the limits of human science can comprehend. You can live on a giant rock that's actually a living organism floating around in the middle of nothingness held in place by some shit called gravity and its attraction to the sun and you can be a small spore of this one giant organism and consider yourself an individual when in reality you don't make a difference to the organism as a whole and you can convince yourself all you want that this is some ordinary and not so complex shit just because you've been raised in it your entire life and you've learned to understand it and consider it as "ordinary". But you go in a rocket ship and take a trip into outerspace and look down at us from up there and you'll realise how deep this all really is... God is out there, and God does exist, and it is a greater power. What God is? I don't know and I couldn't tell you for sure, God is whatever you make him to be. It's up to you to decide what God is to you..

mark ch 12 verse 21-25. basically says that if u believe anything is possible, so yes i believe in radio active spiders and anything
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all i know is that if u read the bible and understand what other people are willing to die for it can give you wisdom in ways u'd never believe. if u believe it or not, its the smartest book ever writen and theres much u can learn from it. but keep in mind that a lot of people truely believe what u are reading, it will help u to understan where people are coming from and what fear is really all about.
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God, Jesus, and the holy spirit have total control over the devil, the devil can't even wink its eye with out their permission, so never have fear in anything. if u are on good terms with God and feel you are on the path set forth for you.
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another way to explain that is having faith in yourself, but if u do that its easier to doubt yourself, its much more difficult to doubt the creater of the universe next time you don't feel u have what it takes to do something he has planned for you. if u think that way u can accomplish much more if its a mind game or not thats up to you. i see no reason not to have total faith that i can do anything with my life

............then how do we exist?? if we exist from nothing so can god.....
your saying with all the prophecys being fullfilled that god doesnt exist?

There is most likely a creator, to label him "God" is your own thing, that's cool. It's foolish and ignorant to doubt the possibility and the existence of a creator, but it's also foolish to completely rule out any other theory or possibility as none of us know the actually truth behind our existence.

The difference between accepting the fact that there is a creator and accepting that you need to serve it by this list of rules is enormous. To follow any religion and rule everything else out is just pure idiocy.

The most humble approach when it comes to anything is to understand that anything is possible and that anything could have or could happen. Take a girlfriend for example, you fall in love with her, change your life, do everything you can for her and then she breaks you heart and leaves you with nothing. What did you do wrong? You allowed yourself to believe that this was the one, that you needed to do these things because everything was going to work out and be okay in the end, wrong. The same thing goes for religion. Why waste your time, money, enjoyment, and limit yourself from doing amazing things because somebody told you it's what you should do?

If you haven't noticed, I haven't labeled any specific religion because in the end they are all exactly the same. If you were born anywhere other than North America chances are you wouldn't have been raised Christian. If you were born anywhere other than the middle east countries chances are you wouldn't of been raised Muslim. So on and so forth. But for example, these two religions state that you must follow their "God" and their "God" only or else you'll be damned to hell. So for the people that don't even learn about this other, supposedly correct religion, they're just fucked? No chance for them, wrong "God", life for eternity in hell. What a crock of shit. Now people always create these little loop holes to make up for these flaws and say bullshit like God knew they had no chance down there so if they were a good person they get into Heaven and all this. Bullshit.

Whatever created us, didn't create us with the intention of ending up in Heaven or Hell, those are made up places to try and convince you to be a certain type of person and to follow a set of rules higher powers made way back in the day to control people. If you actually believe that your "God" has eternal love for people, there wouldn't be such a place as hell or else he's really just a jealous asshole and that's not a very God-like feature.

Live outside the book and see the world for what it really is. Stop killing people for believing in different things because they're just as fucking stupid as you are.

exactly yo!! That's what I was about to say in one of my bible studies.

i agree with most that except the loop hole thing. people don't get to go to heaven for being a good person no matter what, only through jesus, as it says in the bible, but i believe that hell is stupid and it wouldn't be very god like to make someone burn in it forever when people are in such different possitions and many have better chances to go to hell than others. God wouldn't do that in my eyes. but it says clearly in the bible theres only one way to heaven and there is only one God, and the muslims are all going to hell, but because God is so loving i don't think one life is their only chance.
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but i still believe everyones life would be best off if people didn't go against the bible so much, its got a lot figured out in it and can give a lot of wisdom if you read close enough and put it to work

God made hell for those that denied him. God sacrificed his one and only son for the world. And still after what he sacrificed for us people would still reject him? Of course they would go to hell. Even the nicest person in the world can go to hell if they dont accept Jesus as their savior and that he died for our sins. Without hell, why would people be scared of God? Without hell there can't be a heaven. He's showing us all the love in the world and doesn't want us to go to hell. But thats the great thing about God, is he gave us free will. Its your choice where you want to go. This is what someone said "I'd rather live my life as if there is a God, than to live my life like there isn't a God and than find out that there is."

WHO WROTE THE BIBLE? THE TORAH? THE QUR'AN?.... MAN DID
WHO BUILT CHURCHES? CINEGOGS? MOSQUES?... MAN DID
WHO GAVE US AN IMAGE OF HELL BEING A PLACE FULL OF FIRE AND THE DEVIL AS A HORNED CREATURE WITH A PITCHFORK?... MAN DID
WHO GAVE THE IMAGE OF PEARLY GATES LEADING INTO HEAVEN?... MAN DID
WHO PAINTED THE PICTURES OF ANGELS AS WINGED HUMANS WITH HALOS AND WHITE ROBES?... MAN DID
WHO MADE THE IMAGE OF JESUS BEING A WHITE MAN WITH BLUE EYES AND LONG BLONDE HAIR AND A BEARD?... MAN DID
WHO ARE OUR PRIESTS AND RABBAI'S AND RELIGIOUS COUNSELORS AND LEADERS AND POPES?... MEN ARE
WHO DECIDED ONLY THEIR RELIGION WAS THE RIGHT WAY TO GET INTO HEAVEN AND ALL OTHERS WOULD BE FORCED TO LIVE IN HELL?... MEN DID
WHO FOUGHT EACHOTHER OVER RELIGIOUS DISPUTES IN THE NAME OF THEIR "GODS?"... MEN DID
WHO DECIDED THAT IF YOU RAPE CHILDREN AND MURDER INNOCENT PEOPLE YOU WILL STILL GO TO HEAVEN IF YOU ACCEPT A SAVIOR BUT IF YOU LIVE WELL AND GIVE ALL MONEY TO CHARITY BUT DON'T ACCEPT A SAVIOR YOU WILL SPEND AN ENTERNITY IN HELL?... MEN DID

You fucking uneducated celestial fan base...
The God you believe in is the God that man made...

I have a God, and he/she/wtv the fuck it is, was not influenced by hollywood or hatred for others or the words of men.

Fuck you all.

Who wrote the bible? Moses, Paul, John, Jesus, David, etc.. list goes on and on.
Who build the church? God built the Church.. how?!? Through man..
Who gave the image of hell being a place full of fire and torment? The Bible..
Who gave the image of pearly gates? The Bible.
Who painted the pictures of angels as winged humans? The people who "saw them" also in the bible.
Who are the priests, rabbi's, counselor's etc?? And who made an image of how Jesus would look like? Yes man did, but in the bible it said dont make idols. God didn't want anyone to make images of him for a reason. And how do we know hes not black or chinese or mexican?? Hmm.. he was born in Nazareth. No one that's asian or black or w/e could possibly be born in that 'Small" city at that time.
Who decided their religion is the right way? God Did. I speak from experience from the miracles that happened in my life. You choose what you believe is the right decision. God gave us "free will" for a reason.
Yes man fought over religious views. Who doesn't?
The bible never said if you give a lot of money to charity you will go to heaven. Works is nothing without faith and faith is nothing without works. If you accept Jesus as your savior you will go to heaven. He died on the cross for our sins for a reason. So we are able to be in Heaven with him.

The God I we believe in as (a Christian is the God that saved us from our sins. Our GOD was never influenced by hollywood. That's hollywood making an image of God of something he isn't at all.

Our God gives us a base of rules of things not to do. To please him?!?!? NO!! If we try our "best" to stay away from what we call a"sin" it helps better our future. Honestly, if you LIE or Steal, or murder, or even just commit adultery. Is that good for you or your future at all? You future with your wife? Your future trying to get a job with those "illegal" things like stealing can get on your record? Or even lying.. it always catches up to you if you keep lying. How will that make you look if people find out your a Liar? God is our father, and he only wants best for his children.

Everything in the Bible as us Christian's believe, God had every influence in everything in the Bible. Every word, every letter! Even every space in the bible.

What's also funny was I asked God to just tell me something today when I read the bible after what I saw your post. You say the bible was made by man?!? Yes it was written by man but like I said God influenced everything from the words all the way to the spaces in the Bible through the Holy Spirit. So when I asked God to tell me something within the hour I read your post, I read in 2 Timothy 3:16 it says "All scripture is God-"breathed" and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness."

"God-breathed" means everything in the Bible is inspired by God.

also.. Jesus wasn't made by Man. Jesus is real and even in the Roman HISTORY BOOKS! A well respected Historian stated a few years after Jesus death stated that Jesus Christ who made this group called the "Christian's" who was also sacrificed on the cross may have been 1 of the reasons to the downfall of the roman empire... So YES.. Jesus is real...

Man wrote the Bible, But God made the Bible. Anymore questions?

JTR, you are wasting your time.

I have found the most pointless agruments I have ever been involved in are always with Christians. They are closed, or very narrow minded individuals that are nothing but ignorant when anything valid that goes against their beliefs is brought to their attention.

You do not have to serve somebody, you have to serve yourself. That is all the advice a person can really give to such people.

I just choose to not bother with them anymore because if they want to enjoy a life following rules that hinder potential and keep them from experiencing some of the greater things life has to offer, so be it. More for myself and anybody else that can think for themself.

lol. Its funny because before I was even Christian I've done everything everyone has done. All that crap I use to do. Stole thousands worth of things, having everything you can dream of. Use to make 300 grand a year before the economy got jacked up. Had the women, had the cars. Had a membership to every porn site you can think of. Have the best pc with the best hardware out there. Went clubbing, cheated on all the women. Cursed like there was no tomorrow. I served myself. I didn't care about anyone else. Didn't care about my gf's, my family, or friends. All I cared about was money and myself. I made more money than you prolly ever will. Yet even though I lived through the "greater" things life has to offer. What I have now with my relationship with God is "Greater" than anything else I ever had. Why?!?!? Because I have that comfort of my future. I have that comfort of not being scared to die. One thing I know that many Atheist think when they're on their death bed is "I hope there's no God or hell."

Dabotos goes hard lol :shoot:
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what does surving yourself do exactly? does it help the human race and prevent your kids from growing up in a piece of shit world? i dont believe it does, i believe if people read the bible more life would be better for everyone, even if they didn't believe it, everyone doin shit just for themselves aint lookin at the Big Picture :copyright:

You're taking serve yourself way out of context.

Dabatos, by the sounds of the life you were previously living, you were just a cunt, somebody who needs a fucking slap in the face because you had no self control. Serving yourself doesn't mean to live without morals, love, trust or compassion for anything else, it simply means to not spend your life serving somebody else, bending over and doing what they want you to do. Serving yourself doesn't give you the license to be an asshole, just because you don't follow a religion doesn't mean you don't know the moral difference between what's right and what's wrong. You were just a fucking loser before and when you "found God" and formed this relationship with an imaginary figure maybe you just realized how much of a moron you were in the past. Now of course, being weak and simple minded you're going to give the reasoning for your change to your new found discovery because it's easier to say "I've found God and changed from my evil ways" then it is to admit you were a childish fuck that doesn't know the difference between luxury and being excessive.

You're positive that Atheists lie on their death bed praying for the first time that there is no God or hell? That's a pretty easy assumption to make to try and insult one, but I'm sure they're aware of their situation and the way they lived their life and their beliefs just as you are. I mean if you need a belief of Heaven to be content with dying you're just a pussy, I mean really? Grow up.

I'm Agnostic by the way, I think Atheists are fucking pompous fucks too, their only leg up on you is that they aren't wasting their time.

By the way Mark Schafer, just because I serve myself and no "higher figure" doesn't mean that I don't care about anybody else. I do charity races and marathons and encourage people to help out all the time. I love and care about my family and friends more than anything.

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well i can't hate on that, because if u have a good heart and are tryin to help people that helps my world, but i still believe in jesus, because i think he explains things well in the bible for people who are stupid and helps show people how to live their lives.
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i'm not at church because my parents even though are christian, don't believe in the crap that is taught in the church. the bible teaches that we can do anything, and people that go to church dont really do much, i like goin just to see where they are misslead so i know how to read situations where there are people like that.
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only reason why i can't turn away from the bible is because it says u can do miricles and i want to one day be able to do miricles because thats what this shitty world needs. no emo though haha

Well The Bible in a nutshell is essentially a set of guidelines to live your life by. I don't agree with all of them but there is a lot of positive messages within it, it's just the fairy tales used to reach out to people are bogus.

but if you are the type of person who can take all those fairy tales literal, u can do a lot of crazy dope fairy tale type shit in your life. and i want my life to be more important than the crap that i'm brought up in, so imma believe that anything is possible, and if i gotta believe in jesus to do that, thats what imma do

For all intentive purposes I believe in god...


I dont believe what men try to teach me about what exactly his teachings or opinions or perspectives actually are but then why fucking believe in anything unless its factual and proven?

really your just opening yourself up to dissapointment...

I try to keep a relationship with god and always respect that I need to, in my life, try to do a little bit of a good and also to try my hardest to not contribute to the degenerate fucking bullshit that this world is plagued by these days..

God.



God.


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i want to do what God wants me to do, if u dont read the bible and pray, and do what the bible says, and supposibly the bible is the word of God to help tell you what he wants you to be doing with your life. how else are u supposed to follow what God has planned for your life? cuz i dont think brushing off the bible and doing whatever you want is what God has planned for you

You are a bipolar christian quite obviously.

one moment it's "I am the lord's to use entirely god makes plans for everyone yes yes yes" the next minute it's "ID FUCK UR CHICK N LAUGH @ YOU NIGGA"

but thats ok, soon it will come back to

"christ forgives"
and "once saved, always saved".

So take a good close look at the words you just shared with everyone here and enjoy your destiny. also take down the diss track from your signature.

you obviously don't mean any of the harsh words.

you're mean like a child's toy.

We've established that he's a hypocrite. He needs to read Luke 18 and Matthew 21

He'd be like the Pharisees Jesus despised in his day.



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HAHAHAHAHAHA :hump:

i'm being called a hypocrite christian by a homo christian. hahaha
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i love you all ,but we're all sinners so fuck you all

Bro, you also know mark it says don't curse either in the Bible you know that right bro? But yeah I get your point mark on how if you truly repent that means you will try to change your old ways. But also bro, everyone that truly repents "tries" their best to change their old ways. Many are able to do it and many are not. That's the great thing about Jesus is he knows we're not perfect. One thing bout me is that pornography crap. I stopped watching that for crazy long. But I gave in yesturday and I feel horrible about it. I repented for it and because I knew how bad I felt when I gave in, its easier for me to not do it again nah mean? I learned that you know you Received God's Grace when you live a changed Christian life. But it doesn't mean perfect Christian life. No one's perfect bro, only Jesus and God. Also by calling the q a homo you're trying to hurt him and saying the F word you trying to curse these people. That's not really Christian you know?

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i know but, from q's point of view who cares if u can just "repent" after saying or doing things. i was livin a crazy life and i was livin a sinless life, neither really mattered. i'm just gonna read the bible for wisdom and do me and not worry, if i feel like sinning, who cares, if thats givin in the devil who cares, i'll try not to, but who cares. its up to me how crazy i want to be or dont want to be, i'm not tryin to be someone else for someone else. i'll just try to be the best i know how untill i know better.
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so imma be a christian and read the bible but not get "too" hung up on all the sinning stuff because its gonna happen and i'm still young and livin the dream. i have enough good people around me makin me feel bad about things so i won't get out of hand, i'll continue to look for God, but if he doens't directly show his face or speak loud enough, i just gotta keep doin what I think he want me to do as much as i can, but if i dont feel like i can, fuck it, cuz if i can't do miricles and make the blind see, there really isn't a point enless you are harming people and gettin them to do terrible things.
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i just dont think it really all matters too much because it says in revalations, that everyones gotta get fucked in the end anyway, and 97% of people are goin to hell before then anyway, so u aint gonna make a real impact. so... w/e, life is too short and eternity is too long