I'm done
 

i'm going to be completely honest here...i was here/moderator for 1 reason..to improve as a writer and to help everybody else improve...so far...nothing has happened..i look on the roster....and theres a couple guys i really respect as writers...and individuals...but for the most part..i'm not even familiar with the people on the roster...and when i've read up on recent shit...it hasn't been all that great...some of these people are people i let into c.s. based on them being here before my time....and most of the guys that have been active...think they are above help and improvement....or atleast act that way..i'm not going to name names....but i'm confident that the people i do respect...know i respect them...anyways...i don't have any reason to be here anymore...the people that need help don't want it...and though i'm always writing...i've rarely written anything for r.v. lately..so i'm going to spend the time i would normally spend around c.s......on writing for r.v.

i'm not going anywhere..i just won't be affiliated with c.s. anymore...so...get at me if you feel like it..if not...peace


oh....and to nick..and everybody else that doesn't know shit about topicals but think they are just that good at writing...this doesn't effect my previous offer

the crew talk hits the fan and in-vision steps out like a pussy.

i don't battle in front lines anymore, i ain't for well over a year. like i said in that other thread, if its for a crew banishment battle... i'm down, but i do text in that area because i am the strongest text battler out of the collective who is down to whoop ur stupid asses.

now, i don't disrespect CS... fuck, i was once a member. but the reason i left back then is because y'all weren't doing nothing to elevate urself.. u were just comfortably sitting and enjoying the chilled atmosphere.. CS has become a glorified forum chat room like all the other crews have. that was why TE separated, because we weren't letting that shit happen to us.

but in-vision on the whole had to come and talk shit at me when i just voiced my opinion and clearly stated that i still respected CS and the name and the whole crew trend that they began on here.

and in-vision, judging my writing skill based on something i did over a fucking year ago just shows how pathetic you are. and i peeped some of ur shit and it was fucking garbage my friend. i don't know what ur current level is at or if u have elevated or whatever.. but if what i read is anything to go by then i would fucking own you at topical.

and son, i just peeped the current CS roster... i've fucking beaten half the dudes on there before.

first of all..i stepped out for the very same reasons you just stated t.e. is no more...and i made that fucking clear....secondly...how stupid do you have to be to make it seem like i'm being pussy..when i told you my offer still stands?

3rd...you say i disrespected you after showing love to c.s.? learn to read douchebag....this is what i said...word..for fucking word...it's copy and paste

and nick...you're one of the better text heads i've seen...i respect your talent as a writer....and i respect you for just bein a cool cat.

tell me, what the fuck is disrespectful about that? please tell me
lmao @ judging your writing based off something you did a year ago...when you judged my writing off of something i did a lot longer than a year ago...what kind of shit is that? are you trying to prove a point? or just not paying attention to what the fuck is going on?

either way...if you feel you've been cheated..link me to something you've done recently...i'll have no problem taking back what i said about you topically if i see something much better then what i saw from the search results.

and nick...you're one of the better text heads i've seen...i respect your talent as a writer....and i respect you for just bein a cool cat.

tell me, what the fuck is disrespectful about that? please tell me

yeah...peep where i basically said... "most the dudes on here dissapoint me when i check there shit"

Yeah, listen up.. you don't know how old the battle was that I judged your ability on because I never specified which battle. You think I said you vs. Dabatos from like 3 years ago... READ AGAIN!! when I mentioned his name I was referring to a time when I beat him, NOT YOU.

Moving on, you disrespected me by basically implying that I was garbage at topicals at the bottom of your post where you said Kirk was the most talented... funny story, I've beaten Kirk twice and he's never beaten me.

So, if you're going to continue shit talking make sure you read EXACTLY what I post before coming at me with some out of context bullshit.

lmao..once again..i've had ONE FUCKING TOPICAL BATTLE...THE ONLY TOPICAL BATTLE WAS AGAINST DABATOS!....do you get it now? i know which one you were talking about..because there is only one you could possibly be talking about in the first place...so yeah..i know exactly how old it was.

and how is saying i respect you as a writer implying you're garbage at topicals?
you fucking preach to me about taking the shit you say out of context...and yet you took me as giving kirk props as implying your topical abilities are garbage....that is fucking comical.

i've been here for 4 years...and i remember everyone i ever thought was good at topicals..because thats what i've always done....kirk is one of the best..i never payed any attention to him untill a few months ago...you say you beat him like that means something...it clearly hasn't been recently since you don't go into frontlines anymore and havn't for a long ass time...so what weight does that fucking hold in the present?
are you implying that i should respect you because you're better than him now? or are you implying i should respect you because you were better than him a long ass time ago...

Wow, so a recent battle HAS to take place in Front Lines.

Damn man, and I thought there was leagues all over rapverse and other rap sites. Thanks for enlightening me on the truth son. I must hang around Front Lines more often now so I can see the ONLY battles to ever take place. Word.

Your stockpile is plummeting dude.

lmao...says the guy who has shown me no links to anything.

funny...i talked to kirk earlier...and he said he's never seen shit from you accept for stuff back in '05...i asked him if you were any good...and what i just told you is the response he gave me.

so..either you battled in '05....or you're lying...or...he's lying...but being as how he told me prior to all of this nonsense that rv is the only site he really uses..or has ever used that much...i get the feeling he's telling the truth.

get the fuck out of here.

Seriously, Kirk said he ain't seen shit from me since 05.

Man, tell him he needs to open his eyes then because he is battling in the same fucking league as me right now.

Now, if we are talking topical works. My most recent was against Forgotten Flow, you can find that in the Closed Tournaments, right at the bottom in Verbal Emotions. But don't get too excited because its not going to be super freaking awesome on the level of In-Vision because I ain't topical battled before that battle for like almost 2 years.

Now, I ain't about to provide you with the link because I'm not that desperate for your approval. However, you seem to be insisting that I validate your credibility. If you want to go and look, feel free.

where can i find this league?

you're not talking about vtl are you? because i asked him about topicals..not in general

what the fuck bro...are you serious?

i said i thought kirk was the only person in t.e. who could fuck with me topically...text..i admitted you would beat me...i know what i'm good at and not so great at...and then when i say kirk is one of the best writers on the site...you say you've beaten him? how the fuck is that relevant if we're talking about topicals?

Oh, well in topicals I ain't never beaten him because I ain't never battled him in that area. I beat him twice in text, lol. But its whatever.

And for your knowledge, I checked the latest thing you dropped in open mics and it was decent. I still think I would destroy you. However, seeing as though this argument doesn't seem to be going anywhere.. you should know that I tell everyone I would destroy them.

Moving onto a serious note now...

I truly believe that I could, maybe not definitely would, but COULD beat you in a topical battle. I also believe that if we had a Crew Battle against CS then TE would win. Simply because half of CS don't even come on this site anymore and the other half ain't that good.

I don't know about topically, but in text I would own everyone in CS and so would Kirk. Kesse/Drakel could probably beat most topically if he really tried. Hell, Adam is super rusty at text, but if he wanted to he could beat most if not all in text. We could bring JTR over.. he would crush everyone in text. We could bring Spul over in case you wanted to roll audio and he would pretty much kill anyone you put up against him.

we've got no arguments then...i guess it was just a giant misunderstanding...i believe i already said t.e. would probably win...especially since we're mostly a topical crew...and you guys are mostly a text crew with guys who can do topical...and a few who can do them pretty well...like i said before...i believe the only person who can fuck with me in t.e. topically..is kirk...i already told kirk he;s better than me at text..i already told you the exact same thing...you say drakel and kesse could beat most in c.s. if they tried...i could beat all in c.s...not just most.

i don't know if you read my "i'm done" post..but i basically said i was leaving because half the people don't show up..and most the people that do...don't impress me...and arn't trying to elevate...i check up on their shit because i'm not familiar with most of em...their..."legacys" if you will...and i've actually told kirk this a while back...it's been kind of embarrasing..because the shit is mediocre at best

so i mean...did you really think i was talking about text the whole time? or were you just bored?

vish??? wow bruh. i never thought that you of all people would bail on us.

im speechless...


...the super, c.s.

If I am being honest I am bored, half asleep because I woke up yesterday at like 8.30am and have been awake all through yesterday, all through last night and all through today. Its now like 2.50pm and I'm about ready to collapse.

So, half the stuff you have said I have probably either ignored, not fully understood or just disregarded because I am that tired I can't think straight. I've only really cottoned-on to half the shit you have said. So apologies.

I can tell you if we topical battled now you would definitely own me. I'm rusty as hell. I'd need like 5 battles at least to get my swing back.

But, I don't bother because all of my intellectual, deep meaningful writing is saved for my book that I am writing.

Word and be cool.

bro..i've got mad respect for you...as a person and as a writer.you know that..i'll be around...but people arn't doin shit..and most the ones that are..arn't doing it very well...i've personally pmed these people in the past to offer suggestions and advice...and people have either told me they were fine..or told me they appreciated it..and kept doin what they were doin...as a leader...i'm not doing my job if i cant help people elevate...and i can...but what i can't do is give them the initiative and desire they need to get better...maybe it's not my fault...maybe it's because a lot of the good heads are gone and the bar has gotten so low in open mics..that mediocrity is the new "dope"...but then again..maybe it's my fault for not doing what i can personally to raise the bar myself....either way...c.s. is just as good in your hands..if not better...then they were in mine.

good shit then bro, no hard feelings...and goodluck with the book...i'm writing one myself...it's definately an interesting thing to do.

good shit

whatever you do.. dont take advice from Limited Edition.. he had his first book published and it sucked major ass, tanked so bad in sales that they refused to publish the second two, coz it was book one of a trilogy.. now he gotta self publish that shit or he aint making no dollar.

yeah, i was talking to kirk about that...and how that most publishers will front the money on however many copies you want made...and if you don't sell..you pay that back out of your own pocket...if you pay for the copies....then you just waisted all your money...best thing to do for first books....is to print out as many prints as you can afford...not paper or hardback...just straight from the printer....and 1..send copies to publishers..if they like..they can call you...and if they really like it...you can tell them you want a no-sale clause stating that they are responsible for all fees involved with printing hardback or paperback.....regardless of how many you sell.....typically what they will do is make like..25-100 copies....and distribute them in random places...then they will see which areas the book sells most in....and if you sell out..they make a little bit more..and more...

the downside to this though...is they basically make anywhere from 40% to 70% based off of your royalties....

i happen to be a creative writing major at UO...and am planning getting my doctorate in it...and my proffessors have access to all kinds of publishers...public..private...franchise...everyth ing...and they are all at my disposal...so i mean..when you're finished...i can give you names, numbers, addresses....just make sure you exhaust all options before making a decision...because most of them will try to fuck you..ESPECIALLY if they like what they see...because they know that first time authors rarely ever do shit off of their first book....after you've written a few and have a track record of success..they'll say "hey...we can make more money off this guy by making a ton of copies"...and as far as royalties go...it's basically an auction...if youre an established author...it can get as low 10%...under 10% for them is pretty unusual

word to that shit.

i'm at least 3-5 months off completing the book. i gotta write an ending that i dont think sucks total ass, then i think i gotta tone the length down when i go through it all and make the changes here and there coz right now its like close to 500 A4 pages long which if my math is correctly applied.. that works out to around 700-800 standard sized book pages. and i still aint finished it.

^^^bruh...

...being a real leader is always going to have it's up's and downs. not everyone can handle the pressure of calling the shots and paying those consequences for doing so. i really think that you are doing a great job, seriously. shit can get tiresome or even feel forced at times, but that is why we take on that burden. it is our job to not give up on the people that ride along side of us and to continue pushing them and ourselves tirelessly towards that pursuit of excellence that we so hope to reach TOGETHER. that's what we do. we set examples vish. if we get hit hard, we take the punch and stand the fuck back up, ready for another shot. when people don't listen, we find new ways to communicate with them. when others are tired of the journey, we show them how to march on. we will lose loved ones throughout the trek, but that isn't on us. that's on them. not all people are strong enough, dedicated enough and/or smart enough to know that anything worth accomplishing is worth the great deal of pain that we are constantly put through to get what we want.

fight with me vish. please don't tell me that the fire burned out my crhymie.


the super, c.s. '08

I mean topically.

Man, Solo. Why you gotta tell everyone you beat me twice? :(

It was when I suckeddddd, man.

And why you gotta not acknowledge my topical capabilities, mannnn?

Words hurt, JUST SO YOU KNOW. :(

wow @ in-vision...

hopefully your just taking a break man...

i'm working on elevating both my text and battling abilities...

*eats cookie *

lmfao @ kirk... if you read all my posts we cleared that up and i acknowledged that i haven't beaten you topically. or maybe that was in the other thread. either way, you know i love you still. :) you are a dope battler in text and topical.

and word to ysdat with the old school cookie eating. but anyway, all this misunderstanding has been cleared up now anyway. so spread the love brothers.

So whats going on? Someones leaving?!

i dropped some shit and got no feed........and why have i only dropped 1 real piece..for that reason..cuz no1 leaves feed.

I have been active but not on RV and invision you knew that....but i was taken off the CS list...i thought we were dead when i saw the new heads i was glad i was off the roster CS is cool cats and most the people on the damn roster like in said are people i bearley know aswell and i have been here since 04 dude... but its cool. in man you need to get at me seriously bruh...and

HI YSDAT!

i'm not even sure who you are?

well in-vision....i know u dont have respect for me...cuz if you did you would aknowledge me.

But whatever dude...bail.......cuz i wrote 2 little shitty things..that i knew sucked....and then I wrote 1 real thing recently....but like i expected no1 left feed on it....but hey man do what u gotta do..

i would acknowledge you?
what would i have said?

well, sorry nobody left feed..

if people arn't leaving feed..that is YOUR responsibility to tell the people in charge...especially if you have it posted in the feedback thread.

braille you know me Mr.Write aka silent aka Ders

oh aight..what am i gettin at you for?

dickard...

...i'll check your piece out and drop some feed later on today homie. i got just off of work and i am a little tired homie, otherwise i'd do it right now.

oner...


...the supe

in-vision only reason i said anything is cuz......ur sayin no1 is askin for help....if u saw my piece or even read it...u could help me improve....thats what i thought the feedback thread was for.....to put my link in there and have others leave feed back and HELP me improve?

you're one person....go to the roster....and tell me how many names you counted

Can I buy a T for trivial?