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jskill 01-17-04 08:00 AM

Should Jay-Z Retire
 
some say he is the best. others say he is not. what do you think

scan~ya~lane 01-17-04 08:03 AM

I dont think he should retire..hes one of the best mainstream artist....i just dont like when he sells out to sell records..hes very consistent...i honestly liked his older shit better though....but i hate him cuz he stole my wife beyonce...lol

Canuck 01-17-04 10:40 AM

yea, he should have left the game long ago. 03 Bonnie 'n Clyde? What the fuck is that?..........Steal'n ryhmes, beats, everything, he's gay as fuck. His new album was wack, his flow is old, and he's jealous of Sean Paul, he wouldn't let him perform with Beyonce....lol.....hah ha loser....

Straight Ace 01-17-04 10:50 AM

^yeah..the sean paul thing was mad gay..
& yeah he's been exposed for stealing almost everything that made him big.
He didnt write much of his shit either..
..I am content with him not polluting airwaves or tv broadcasts any longer.

Happy Thoughts 01-17-04 10:52 AM

He's retiring? How old is he?

X Ecution 01-17-04 11:09 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Canuck
yea, he should have left the game long ago. 03 Bonnie 'n Clyde? What the fuck is that?..........Steal'n ryhmes, beats, everything, he's gay as fuck. His new album was wack, his flow is old, and he's jealous of Sean Paul, he wouldn't let him perform with Beyonce....lol.....hah ha loser....


you should be shot then left to rot n let vultures eat ur remains...u have to be the dumbest person on this site....how can u say he lost hi sflow apperently u dont have ears..n how u gonna say the black album was wack...ur mentally sick...n wut r u talkn bout tealin beats...it was a good song so dont start..eminem did the same thing rip him about it...just go home n listen to ur baby rhymes...1

Canuck 01-17-04 12:05 PM

Quote:
you should be shot then left to rot n let vultures eat ur remains...u have to be the dumbest person on this site....how can u say he lost hi sflow apperently u dont have ears..n how u gonna say the black album was wack...ur mentally sick...n wut r u talkn bout tealin beats...it was a good song so dont start..eminem did the same thing rip him about it...just go home n listen to ur baby rhymes...1



....just for say'n that him and Beyonce's song was good, just goes to tell, that when you up in the 16+ niteclubs, bump'n with the pop top 30 crowd, that you obviously have no hip-hop sense. Let me see, if I bit 1 maybe 2 lines from an emcee, I'd be mocked, merked, then banned. Yet, Jay-z can spit the first 4 lines of his song, that were written and performed by B.I.G., and he's slated as the best? Bullshit.

I can rip Eminem about a lot of shit I don't like. That would be my opinion, much like this one. You see, if you look past all the beats, all the jiggy bullshit you obviously listen to, and you see this big-lipped clown yell'n "yep", you'll soon realize, his style and lyrics have a limit.

Plus, he's all over Pac's dick (RIP), he got dissed tonnes of times by Pac, but yet he still shouts out to him, steals his beats, it's bullshit.

Oh, about the black album, I stopped listen'n to JayZ after 'the streets is watch'n' album, so I won't say it's sucks, cuz I ain't even heard it. Just hope'n he retires, and punks like yourself slit their rists.

MP~PHASIZ 01-17-04 12:09 PM

I thought he already retired after The Black Album...

CRhyMe~SoN 01-17-04 12:12 PM

fuck around canuck of the regiment no doubt ... people need to learn to respect jayz nobody done it better then him except pac....

hes a business man...

"nobody been this good for this long" tell me thats not true...

jayz freestyles almost all his shit i mean shit mainstream hes always been thoro to himself ..fuck respect the man nobody is 2 mill is why hes retiring.. the man has the hottest rap lable no doubt hes running it cause fuck the south i hate em....

"what more can he say"

CRhyMe~SoN 01-17-04 12:13 PM

"i don't wear jerseys.. nigga im 30 plus.. give me a crisp pairs of jeans .. nigga button UpS"

Sp1TGa1M 01-17-04 12:22 PM

jigga man should NOT retire..his music still hott whether u love 'em or hate 'em the music is still hott shit

CRhyMe~SoN 01-17-04 12:43 PM

he keeps it street belive it or not look at his lable but fuck that heres how you sum it up...


"iM The ReAlEsT To RuN It.. I juSt HaPPenEd To RaP"

Penskills 01-17-04 12:49 PM

..Yes..nice to go out on top...

¤KiNgPiN¤ 01-17-04 01:15 PM

Yeah,Jay-Z is pretty good..But he stole like ova half the damn rhymes he puts in his songs from Biggie and shit like dat..I'm gettin sick of Jay-Z..i mena 10 albums is enough about time he goes and retires

¤KiNgPiN¤ 01-17-04 01:18 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sp1TGa1M
jigga man should NOT retire..his music still hott whether u love 'em or hate 'em the music is still hott shit
Yeah,his shit is hott cuz he copies most of it from guyz like Biggie.
"N-O-T-O-R-I-O-U-S you just lay down slow" <---Biggie's "Representin the U-S you just lay down slow" <--- Jay-Z, see ma point? :nono:

Mr.Christensen 01-17-04 01:35 PM

Jay Z should die..
The black album should never have been released
He should die!

Chris Black 01-17-04 01:45 PM

Jay is the greatest alive, period...
But If I was him I'd retire too...
If I was him I would have retired after the blueprint...

Ps. the black album is fuckin' fire...

-W1

Chris Black 01-17-04 01:52 PM

People that say he bit big...

"I'm not a biter I'm a writer for myself and others/ I say a BIG verse; I'm only biggin' up my brother/ Bigging'up my burrow. I'm big enought to do it/ I'm that thorough, plus I know my own flow is foolish"-Jay-Z

An interview: "BIG was my friend. If i recite his lyrics its just paying homage to my friend that past away. I'm not trying to pass his lyrics off as mines. I'm just making sure that he is not forgotten and as long as i rap, he will live through me. It's just paying respect to a freind"- Jay-Z

-W1

BFire 01-17-04 02:46 PM

i loved his early cds...n the black album, but hes good to retire now, enuff shit out there.

Canuck 01-17-04 02:50 PM

An interview: "BIG was my friend. If i recite his lyrics its just paying homage to my friend that past away. I'm not trying to pass his lyrics off as mines. I'm just making sure that he is not forgotten and as long as i rap, he will live through me. It's just paying respect to a freind"- Jay-Z


we don't need to hear Jay-Z rapp'n BIG's lyrics so we remember him. In fact, it's self-inflicted damage, when he does that, it just reminds me how dope BIG was, and how pathetic it is have'n a rapper need'n to feed off passed legends.

"yep"!

¤KiNgPiN¤ 01-17-04 03:02 PM

Man,we'll rememebr big without wannabe rappers copyin his lyriks. If he wants him rememebred so much he should just do a tribute song or somethin not copy his damn lyriks

Chris Black 01-17-04 03:03 PM

^Dont matter what tou say, Jay is the illest alive...
And I would rather cop a Jay-Z album than anyone in the mainstream right now...

-W1

¤KiNgPiN¤ 01-17-04 03:03 PM

Plus,Canuck your totally right its self-inflicted damage or him which is why some plp dont like him he copies lyriks,do u see snoop copyin Pac's lyriks? No,ya don't.

¤KiNgPiN¤ 01-17-04 03:05 PM

I can name so many guys betta then Jay-Z right now. 50 cent,Llyod Banks,Chingy (lol),Snoop (still betta!),and so many more man..

Chris Black 01-17-04 03:05 PM

Snoop sucks now...
Take a poll anywhere and Jay will always be on the list of top 5 rappers...

-W1

¤KiNgPiN¤ 01-17-04 03:08 PM

yeah,from stealin bigs lyriks

Chris Black 01-17-04 03:10 PM

50?...
He has little to no wordplay.His flow is off half the times and he talks about the same shit all the time.You one of then niggas that just likes 50 cause he wit em.I was listening to 50 years ago, and he was only known because he used other rappers names to draw attentionn to himself(ei "how to rob). Loyd is wack. he has no energy and jae hood or cassidy will kill him in punchlines, plus punchlins is all he got. G-Unit-certified garbage...They only sell records in the suburbs anyway...

-W1

Chris Black 01-17-04 03:11 PM

The hood dont feel them niggas...
It's strickly middle class kids coppin they shit...

-W1

¤KiNgPiN¤ 01-17-04 03:14 PM

Heh,they feel 'em more than they do Jay-Z no1 likes someone who copies plpz lyriks,if I copied your lyriks and said it was for plp to not forget you,we both know it would be a load of bullshit. Same thing wit Jay copyin Big

Bonu's 01-17-04 03:23 PM

i agree that he should have left years ago, the same day that nas released ether should have been the same day jay quit,
plus i heard he's dissin the wu

Canuck 01-17-04 03:26 PM

NO NO NO

I'm not say'n Jay-Z is not talented, and your right, take a poll anywhere and he'll be on the Top 5.

-BUT-

What I am say'n is you got peeps say'n Eminem, 2Pac, Nas, etc are all over-rated, I just think Jay-z is the most over-rated rapper alive.

Peeps I think are better than him:(lyrically, flow, creativity, longitivity)

- J-Live (better than any rapper)
- Eminem
- Rakim
- Nas
- 2Pac
- BIG


^ 4 out of those 6 are still alive, which makes the statement that he his the best right now totally false............in my opinion

Chris Black 01-17-04 03:34 PM

To Canuck:
Everyone can have their own oppinion...
I can respect that...
I just dont like how some people completely hate on Jay...

Kingpen, you dont know what your talking about so your oppinion is worth as muck as used tissue, kid...

-W1

Chris Black 01-17-04 03:37 PM

My list:
1. 2 pac
2. Jay-Z
3. Nas
4. BIG
5. Rakim

Honorable Mention:
KRS 1
Big L
Big Pun
Method Man
Eminem
Etc. etc. etc.

-W1

Envied Talent 01-17-04 03:45 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by MP~PHASIZ
I thought he already retired after The Black Album...

Jayz Is One Of The Greatest...All The Greatest Have To Stop Sometime...

Kronix 01-17-04 04:14 PM

Hova's been keepin it real all these years...fuckin awesome mc...butchu gotta know when to stop...guess he thought this was the time. Can't stop him although I think wooda been fine if he had kept goin

Dragon I 01-17-04 04:31 PM

i gotta admit jay z is well good, even if he's the epitomy of materialistic rapping. if u look past that though, his flow's interesting, and his beats are good. nebody saying the black album was shit obviously doens't own it either. it's a good album, certainly his best in my opinion. as for the retiring thing, he'll still be running rocafella, so he'll still make vast wads of cash from his current extreme talent lineup (besides caamron, the dumbass wannabe drugdealer that he is. him and his diplomat tossers).envied talent is right in saying everybody's gotta stop sometime. can u imagine nebody wanting to keep rapping till they're 60 or something? even though an old jay z would be amusing, i'm sure he would have lost his creative spark by then. with a large number of talented people ready to try and take his place on his own record label, i'm sure now is probably a good time to retire. better to go out on a high note than potentially get out shined by his own employees, specially if he lost his creative talent and dropped a wack album.

Chris Black 01-17-04 09:41 PM

^word...
But the black album aint his best...
Still ill as fuck though...

_W1

C.Quip 01-17-04 09:50 PM

Yeah, I Think He Should..He Was Good For His Period..But I Don't Think That He's Any Good Now...:-/...

~LyRiCaL-JeZuS~ 01-17-04 11:58 PM

Ya straight up I think everyone including Jay himself will agree his work was much better in the begining on Reasonable doubt and that shit, so even tho he is one of the best right now, ya its a smart move to give it a break .....at least for a bit, aint much left for him to do or rap about

High Class 01-18-04 12:24 AM

^ If you would forget his past for one second ^

And look at his shit now, everyone would clown his ass. If he never came out with them hot tracks around 96 and 98, he wouldnt be shit these days. I use to like him, I cant stand his ass anymore. He should have retired after the blue prints came out.
Fuck what anyone else gots to say bout what I said...


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