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RythmicTendicies 01-23-04 05:48 AM

What The Source has been hiding about EMINEM
 
This is an email from Chaos Kid that he just recently wrote to The Source, hes the guy who gave The Source the racist Eminem tapes...Props to Baron at D12world.com

here's what he wrote to the editor of the Source magazine
Kim Osario-

I don't know where to begin... to sum it up, this article is partly good, but the longer I think about it, it's mostly bad. You were concerned as to whether or not I feel you're article to be unbiased. Well, thank you for not portraying ME in a bad light but as far as maintaining an unbiased stance, you certainly failed. As a matter of fact, I am forced at this point to recognize that there are obviously some ulterior motives/personal hang-ups/political/racial agendas going on behind the scenes at The Source and this is making it impossible for you to present the issue of these tapes in a true light that would give a full spectrum of perspective. I am presenting a solution to this problem:

I will write a 'letter to the editor' which you will agree to print in the next issue of The Source which will present the most vital facts surrounding the issue of these tapes. I will do this as to give you an opportunity to present the WHOLE truth of the story BEFORE I go to other, larger publications and media sources, some of which, are bound to print the WHOLE truth. If you agree to print my 'letter to the editor' and I am satisfied with the way you print it (in other words, unedited) then I agree NOT to go to other publications with the truth. Let's review these facts I'm talking about and I'm sure you will agree that the most vital part of what I said was left out and how this could possibly damage the Source's credibility as being an unbiased, fair and accurate source of information:

1: Most importantly: YOU DID NOT GIVE THE BACKGROUND OF THE TAPE. Here are the facts which I specifically remember telling you REPEATEDLY in the interview as being the MOST IMPORTANT FACTS and REASON WHY I did the interview in the first place: 1) these songs were NOT WRITTEN - They were FREESTYLES. 2) This freestyle is one of the HUNDREDS OF FREESTYLES we did over the years. 3) The NAME of these freestyle sessions we called: SUCKERIN' RHYMES. 4) The WHOLE PURPOSE of Suckerin' Rhymes was to be as goofy/stupid/ignorant/wack
as possible - to be a 'sucker M.C.' - hence the title: SUCKERIN' RHYMES. 5) The REASON WHY we did these freestyle sessions was so we could 1: TO HAVE A FUN TIME 2: TO LISTEN TO THE RECORDINGS AFTER WE WERE FINISHED AND LAUGH AT OURSELVES 3: TO WARM UP AND GET READY TO HAVE A REAL RECORDING SESSION WITH SONGS WE ACTUALLY HAD WRITTEN AND INTENDED TO RELEASE TO THE PUBLIC.


As you can see, if you were to present the tapes in THIS LIGHT, THE WAY I INTENDED IT TO BE, people would have a much more accurate and broader perspective by which to judge for themselves the motives and sentiments of Marshall Mathers when he recorded these songs. Here are some other CRUCIAL FACTS you left out:

2) Based on the above information, it is my BEST OPINION THAT MARSHALL MATHERS IS NOT A RACIST. ALTHOUGH THE SONGS WERE IN BAD TASTE, THEY WERE NOT INTENDED TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY OR EVEN HEARD AND DO NOT REPRESENT THE TRUE SENTIMENTS OF EMINEM.

3) Although you did mention that it was a 'joke', without the above information, this does nothing to put things in their proper perspective. Everone knows that someone can tell a racist joke and most likely the reason they're telling it in the first place is because they are racist!! BUT - when you take ALL of the information into consideration - the fact that these were: SUCKERIN' RHYMES AND THE PURPOSE WAS TO REPRESENT WACKNESS and my personal testimony that WE WERE THE VICTIMS OF BEING CALLED RACIST NAMES - '******', ETC.. FOR BEING INVOLVED IN HIP-HOP MUSIC BY IGNORANT-ASS WHITE PEOPLE AROUND US AND THAT THESE RECORDINGS IN MY OPINION WERE REPRESENTING THAT IGNORANT MENTALITY FROM A FIRST PERSON POINT OF VIEW BUT WAS SARCASTIC - NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY AS THE OPINIONS OF MARSHALL MATHERS, it puts things in a much different perspective. Example: an actor can play a racist character in a movie about, say, the horrors of the Klan, but in real life that does not make him a racist. In fact, the reason WHY he probably did the movie in the first place is because he hated racism and wanted to expose the inhumanity and devastating effects of racist behavior!!

4) As we know however, these songs were freestyles, not written and did not have that kind of serious intention behind them as they were never meant to be heard in the first place. So, based on the above information, it is my BEST CONCLUSION THAT THESE SONGS WERE DONE OUT OF ANGER FROM EXPERIENCING WHITE RACISM AND UNDERSTANDING HOW IRRATIONAL, IGNORANT AND WACK IT IS AND SPEWING SOME OF THE VENOM BACK HE'S HEARD OVER THE YEARS - SOME OF IT DIRECTED AT HIM - ONTO THE MICROPHONE.

Another point I made in my interview which you neglected to report is:

5) In my personal experience with Marshall, during the time these recordings were made, HE NEVER USED THE WORD '******' OR ANY OTHER DEROGATORY NAMES OR MADE ANY DEROGATORY REMARKS ABOUT AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN CASUAL CONVERSATION WITH ME. In fact, we personally had conversations talking about how we hated racism and racists and both had REAL songs denouncing racism!!

Now, regarding some of the other 'facts' you got wrong:

6) Marshall did not move to Warren in his early teens. He lived in the city of Detroit. The Northeast side between 7 and 8 mile which is still predominantly black. He never lived in Warren. He would, however, frequently get kicked out by his crazy mom and would sometimes spend a few nights at a time in Warren between 8 and 9 mile at Manix and Buttafingaz' house. His girlfriend also lived in that area, so I assume he would spend some nights over there as well. However, most of the time his girlfriend would spend the night at HIS house in Detroit where he had his own room. He first went to a Detroit High School where he had some problems so for awhile he went to Lincoln High School between 8 and 9 mile in Warren. He did this by giving the school a false address within the school district. This is where he met Manix and D.J. Buttafingaz who were also attending Lincoln at the time. After awhile Lincoln High School found out that he wasn't a Warren resident however and he had to go back to Detroit schools where he attended once again for a period of time before being kicked out or dropping out (I don't remember which). All the music was recorded in Warren during this time over at Manix and Butta's house but Marshall DID live in Detroit.

7) MARSHALL DID NOT FORM BASSMINT PRODUCTIONS. IT WAS MANIX WHO CAME UP WITH THE NAME AND HE IS THE MAIN FOUNDER.

Going back to the tapes, I think it is important also to mention that THE FIRST VERSE OF 'FOOLISH PRIDE' IS ABOUT RACIAL UNITY!! Neglecting to report this fact is very shameful and again, shows a biased ulterior motive in presenting the story. You are not presenting the whole truth.

9) OK, as I'm looking at the article here, you did mention that they were freestyles, but without giving the history of the SUCKERIN' RHYME, this does nothing to put things in their proper perspective.

10) Some of the 'quotes' you used of mine seem pieced together. If it's not a direct quote from beginning to end, you should make your readers aware of that.

Overall, as I have said, a much better job could have been done. I don't know what kind of internal politics is going on at The Source which is forcing you to present things in this manner. However, as I have said, I will give you the opportunity to correct things. I would like to write a 'letter to the editor' which you will agree to print in the next issue of The Source clearing things up. If you do not agree to print it, I will be forced out of concern for THE TRUTH to go to other mainstream publications. I will also be forced to site as one of my reasons for going to them the irresponsible fashion in which The Source has 'reported' the issue. This is not a threat. This is the inevitable, natural consequence of irresponsible journalism. If you wish to correct the situation, please let me know within the week so I can make a responsible decision regarding my next course of action.

peAce, anarchy, equality, justice -
snAfu
aka
chAos Kid.

To be honest, it doesn't really make much of a difference..lotta people lost respect for Em over this (talking about Mc's) and don't look like he'll be gettin' that respect back...I (a eminem fan) also lost alotta respect for him...but IMO he's still dope.. :thefinger ...l0l

Kwizikal 01-23-04 05:51 AM

u got 2 much time^^

Emotion 01-23-04 06:00 AM

Thank u for showing this it makes alot more sence now

RythmicTendicies 01-23-04 06:04 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwizikal
u got 2 much time^^


you think i typed this..? I got it from d12world where i'm a member (hardly ever post though).... :spit:

Emotion 01-23-04 06:15 AM

lol^^Thanks agin for finding this i wonder what dez and cam are gunna say...lol

wogzta 01-23-04 07:39 AM

The same thing they always say...

"hes a wack culture stealer and all you white boys are racists for listening to him"

Harlem's Finest 01-23-04 07:54 AM

Tight.. made a good read...

Again The Source exposed as being biased and tryna cane Em..

Also.. I got the Invasion mixtape yesterday man.. the first song or so by Em is basically a reply to this whole thing and a slight diss to Benzino which is pretty smart...

D-Verb 01-23-04 07:58 AM

if that is true why did eminem say that he was just ignorant and said stupid shit in his younger years?

Penskills 01-23-04 09:07 AM

..Good post...intersting...

fo'trill 01-23-04 09:54 AM

i was at davey d and i was reading an article about how Benzino used to be involved with a WHITE mc and he told him to use the word nigga in a track they did together. i can get the link if you wish.

...Àû†øpšÿ... 01-23-04 10:10 AM

Word Thanks 4 The Info Fam..........

Induelz 01-23-04 12:54 PM

Oh Well Can U Break It Down Cuz I Aint Read That

RythmicTendicies 01-23-04 01:27 PM

I put the important bits in bold......so don't don't read it if you don't want to, and why have you just freeposted..?

Gunman tha Great 01-23-04 01:56 PM

blah blah blah, whose to say Eminem didn't pay this kid off 2 write that?Sucker rhymes? Smells like bullshit 2 me but who cares, everybody knows Benzino don't like Eminem, and that asshole knew it 2.

RythmicTendicies 01-23-04 02:09 PM

^l0l...i was waiting for that.^

Zedd 01-23-04 02:21 PM

Does it really matter.... I still think hes a racist....... WHen you free style (black people) do you go off about cracker this and that? I dont think its in your mind like that unless you are racist. WIth that said the context doesnt really play a key role in what eminem said the fact is... he said some racist comments that he would rather have not been made public.... THe comments represented how he felt about things.... And he is a racist rapper

~LyRiCaL-JeZuS~ 01-23-04 04:20 PM

Quote:
if that is true why did eminem say that he was just ignorant and said stupid shit in his younger years?


cuz even tho its a joke and whatever its still dumb shit lol and im glad he apologized, its egxatcly what he was suposed to do and I dont even care anymore he apologized and if hes truly sorry what else is left to do?

I dont eve like eminem but this has been blown way out of proportion, and i really belive that people can change, even racists.(ps. I dont belive he was ever a real actual racist jus said dumb ignorant shit like the dumbass he was)
But like i said people can change.

Dragon I 01-23-04 04:37 PM

lol. good old source. can always trust them to be an unbiased magazine. i hope he does go to other publications cos that would be funny. as for teh main reason of the post though, i don't think em's really a racist. he just said something in the heat of the moment. i'm sure everybody else has done that in an argument or somehting surely? and like lyrical-jezus said, as long as he's said somehting u can't really do much about it besides give differing opinions on the matter. oh well. at least it's making the source look crap.

Viscosity 01-23-04 04:59 PM

GunManWrote
Quote:
blah blah blah, whose to say Eminem didn't pay this kid off 2 write that?Sucker rhymes? Smells like bullshit 2 me but who cares, everybody knows Benzino don't like Eminem, and that asshole knew it 2.

hmm, I believe this.. because wen im high,drunk,just fuckin around on the mic
I say shit I dont mean, or want people to hear but the nigga im wit..
Em aint rascit, nuff said'... and I do "suckerin' rhymes" all the time..
ill diss my girl.. fam u wrong on that

Viscosity 01-23-04 05:04 PM

Quote:
....... WHen you free style (black people) do you go off about cracker this and that? I dont think its in your mind like that unless you are racist.

rofl... I have 3 bootlegged battles of Eminem vs Unknown Rappers.. were all they do is throw in jab's bout him bein white... etc
and if your a rappers whos black, and u battlein a whitey.. im sure u pop in jab's botu that 2... and that dont make u a rascit?...

wogzta 01-23-04 07:44 PM

^ thats the thing i dont get... its like white people have to respect black MC's but black MC's can say whatever they like to white MC's on the assumption that they are racist

its not very logical.

and even though it was a joke, it was an ignorant joke with bad taste... that would explain why he said "i said dumb shit when i was a kid"... i mean... jokes basically are "dumb shit"...

mc skittlezbee 01-23-04 08:08 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedd
Does it really matter.... I still think hes a racist....... WHen you free style (black people) do you go off about cracker this and that? I dont think its in your mind like that unless you are racist. WIth that said the context doesnt really play a key role in what eminem said the fact is... he said some racist comments that he would rather have not been made public.... THe comments represented how he felt about things.... And he is a racist rapper

yo i dont know what crack you bee smokin but still wat eva you say keep it to your self, this man is a wicked mc.....

~HoTTie~ 01-23-04 09:01 PM

I Wish You Woulda Just Sumed Up What That Said...

That Was Too Much To Read.

So I Didn't Read It. :(

Da_Killa_Kid 01-23-04 09:54 PM

Yo that really puts it into the light, more than before. You had to be stupid to not see that Benzino's fruit ass had alterior motives. Even if that would have been posted in the first place there would've been shit loads of ppl that still woulda jumped off the wagon.

Signifakant 01-25-04 02:03 PM

They Are Definately After Eminem,Not Just Benizo But The Rest Of Mainstream Also.Be Honest Here,When You Guys Were Younger You Guys Have Made A Few Mistakes & Regret Them.Some Of Us Are Still Growing & We Will Make Mistakes & Regret Time And Time Again.But The Point Is,You Make Mistakes You Just Have To Learn From Them.But What I Don't Get Is,Eminem Makes A Tape After Breaking Up With A Black Girlfriend The Tape Was Only About Girls,Period.He Made A Mistake When He Made This Tape,& He Knows It.But I Don't Get How He Makes A Mistake,And It's All Of A Sudden A Crime

ELEETE 01-25-04 05:02 PM

All I gotta say is fuck The Source everyone should know when an organization doesn't like someone an have that much power over the people, you think they'll ever have anything good to say about that person? I just think people that read The Source an got pissed off about what they printed are a bunch ignorant mothafuckas for eating they're bullshit. Cmon you really think they'll ever have anythin positive to say about Em? Hell no, your the idiots for believing them......big fuckin deal.......everyone makes mitakes but if your the oppoisite color ina game (hip-hop) predominatly black an you make one all of a sudden you aint respected an your racist......im sure Em has no black friends......stupid muthafuckas........

cjcrook 01-25-04 08:31 PM

I've never battled before, but I can imagine that I would say anything just to piss someone off, racist or not, because when it is in the context of a song, I would know better than to take it seriously and judge the person who said it. He apologized, the source is biased and has beef with em and is trying to get back at him, and you people who think he is a racist need to lighten up, he's not. If he was a real racist why would he run with the all black crew that he does?

Gunman tha Great 01-26-04 04:39 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Viscosity
GunManWrote
hmm, I believe this.. because wen im high,drunk,just fuckin around on the mic
I say shit I dont mean, or want people to hear but the nigga im wit..
Em aint rascit, nuff said'... and I do "suckerin' rhymes" all the time..
ill diss my girl.. fam u wrong on that


"Sucker rhymes" why tha fuck would somebody do that? u suck all tha time don't try 2 cover it up.

Gunman tha Great 01-26-04 04:40 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by RythmicTendicies
^l0l...i was waiting for that.^



U know i hate to dissapoint.

RythmicTendicies 01-31-04 02:08 PM

funny how when i posted the thread containing the so called racist tapes got about 100 replies and this gets 28.....meh.....

Fl~O~mEtRy 01-31-04 02:40 PM

yes it is a good post n interesting, The Source is stupid for lettin this get out, they pickt a fight with tha wrong person

...OpeY... 01-31-04 02:59 PM

^^no i would say someone was definitely afraid of gettin sued after he saw how they presented the info he gave them lol. and please... no one lost their respect for him. A couple people were mad at him and didnt understand why he would do such a thing but they were open for an explanation and an apology. No one gave a shit about the source. everyone knew they were bias. What's funny is, if u check back to my earlier posts about this topic, I said this is probably what happened. I have too much experience with recording with friends. I know how it goes. I've recorded verses of my friends callin me a cracker. No one knows whats gonna happen when everyones druck and high on the mic. It doesnt matter. Eminem still has the second biggest label out, and the biggest label, The ROC, still has full respect for the man.

RythmicTendicies 01-31-04 03:22 PM

^speaks the turth people^

wogzta 01-31-04 08:10 PM

Why doesnt Opey become some kind of world leader?

hes the only person ive seen on this whole website who has yet to make an idiot post.

Brethren 01-31-04 11:18 PM

Zedd's comment got me thinking, there are black rappers that rap about white people this and white people that all the fucking time!!!

Eminem's taking all the shit that some black rappers should be taking

Jay Pana 02-01-04 01:17 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Verb
if that is true why did eminem say that he was just ignorant and said stupid shit in his younger years?


because even if it was a "suckerin rhyme" it's still ignorant...he realized that and confronted it

Potent 02-01-04 05:25 PM

drop that shit... its old he's anotha racist whiteboy...nuttin big

Playjahrizer 02-01-04 06:08 PM

look at Dead Prez with all that 'white devil' shit . and ras kass, who claimed in an interview that the entire white race must be seen as a potential threat. some shit that eminem said when he was a kid means nothing, and i dont even like eminem.

tasty shakes 02-01-04 06:26 PM

interesting on the article...and why does the source have an old pic of
em on the cover?

wogzta 02-02-04 02:27 AM

^ because he wouldnt give them permission to put up a new one... DUH


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