When will Jay-z just face the facts?
 

Jay-z is considered one of the best rappers of all time...............well i don't think so............For someone who braggs about money and getting women he should be critiziced for his record selling ability.............in 9 lbums he has sold 17-18 million records all together, now that may sound good but in 3 albums eminem has passed that.........in 2 albums nell has tied it or right behind it...........jay-z got name reconition just not a quality product and thats why ppl don't buy it alot...........maybe if he waited a couple of years like a normal rapper to drop a cd it would be better and not just wack songs thrown together.............He won't even admit his relationship with beyonce and he quit rap for movies........like that will ever happen...............i know alot of you will say records sales don't mean anything he still the best......well he's not.........if he was the best he'd atleast be in the top 5 best records sales and he's not..............mc hammer is passed him................(i bet i'll be getting sworne at for this thread)

im with ya man...

i aint feeling much of jay-z...

yea he had acouple of hits...but IMO he is overrated big time...

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That is just fuckin funny...of course your lyrical skill depends on what your sales are, and of course Nelly is WAY better than Jay-Z, and of COURSE Jay-Z is always rapping about women and money...get a fuckin life Hova is dope

its because jay-z has less appeal to teenage wwhite suburban kids... kinda like the peoples that say hes wack on this board. Jay's got the most street credit. the man built himself a dynasty. get ur mom to take u into the city one day (if u even have a big city) and everytime u see a car that bumpin rap music take note of who theyre listenin to... most likely its jay z. why? cause he appeals to the streets. why? because he raps about things that only people from that lifestyle can feel and truly relate to.

^ Word to opey
Most netcee's dint come from the street.. or build up the way him and his label did.

That proves record sales dont mean anything. When Jay-z is surpassed by MC hammer. Jay-z's first few albums were...ight. But the blueprint and the blueprint 2 are two of the best albums of all time. Besides Eminem has the appeal of white America. White america isn't exactly knocking down the record stands to get a glimpse of Jay-z's hustler/drug dealer life before rap. So be real. The Eminem Show was one of the best selling rap albums ever but Em's first 2 CDs were six times better than that... tells you something.

jay z is alright but hes not

Jay-z isn't one of my favourite rappers, but i can see how he appeals to as OPEY put it:
"the streets".....he has some dope lyrcial ability, don't hate on it, to put out what...9 albums or something in the space of a few short years..you gotta have some talent n' integrity to do that.....

"of course Nelly is WAY better than Jay-Z" i do seriously hope that was an act of attempted sarcasim..cos even thought i'd listen to Em or Obie before J...Nelly needs to go back to his farm.

What I find the funniest thing of all, Gunna XL's avatar is of Jay Z.

Jay has sold over 25mil..and he now is part owner of the nets..and last year..roc-a-wear did better in sales than,phat farm and sean john...

See ... Now that's a dope response to a wack thread ... Mad props for that Opey

LMAO ! I didn't even notice that ... That's some funny shit ... Damn

wow jay-z has not sold over 25 million........go to his website for the total count the put it up...............i hate fake niggaz sayion some stupid shit like he sold over 25 million.....................and jay-z is aight but he's not that good..................if he was that good he would be selling better but he isn't cuz he dosen't take time...........if jay-z did an album every 2 years then he'd be alot better but he drops one every week and the shit gets sickning cuz it's just thrown together.

Over 17 million albums sold….

Reasonable Doubt | 6/96 | 1xPlatinum

Vol 1. – In My Lifetime | 11/97 | 1xPlatinum

Vol. 2 – Hard Knock Life | 9/98 | 5xPlatinum

Vol. 3 – Life and Times of S. Carter | 12/99 | 3xPlatinum

Dynasty – Roc La Familia 2000 | 10/00 | 2xPlatinum
Blueprint | 9/01 | 2xPlatinum

MTV Unplugged | 12/01 | Gold

Best OF Both Worlds | 3/02 | Platinum

Blueprint 2: The Gift & The Curse | 11/02 | 2x Platinum


^^^^^^^^^^^^thats from www.rocafella.com see he hasen't even got to 20 million sold in 9 albums.

F to the izzu. . C to the izzak

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Befor the black album dropped, Jay had 17million in sales. The only people ahead of him were beastie boys with 18million and 2pac with 35million. He probably passed the beasties already, but no one will pass pac. Anyway, just the fact that people make thread for thr single purpose of hating him proves that he is great.

-W1

Jay Iz Tha Greatest .... His Flow Is Dangerous .. Better Then Anyone Else ...

2pac
eminem
beasties
Mc hammer
and i think jay may have just 1 more million than nelly

don't get me wrong jay-z has sold alot of albums.......but he released 9 of them eminem just released 3 and has already passed him.

^^^oF course Eminem has........He's a house hold name that appeals to surban kids and is hyped by middle america so thats going into a market that Jay don;t have, or really care to have for the most part...Alot of people who don't even listen or like hip-hop who got a Eminem record, or didn;t start liking hip-hop until they got Eminem record....When you start selling like 7 or 8 mil...thats not all hip-hop fans that other folks....

But the flip side is Jay has a market that Em dosn;t have, and thats the streets and the the ground level respect.....which is very important in hip-hop....so when those greatest emcee list and convos come up thats why Jay is always #1 or close to it...and Eminem prolly won;t never get that type of respect no matter how many he sold.....

jay-z dosen't have the streets............and jay-z is one of the most commercial rappers i've ever seen............thats why noone can quote one of his lines without lookin it up.

^^your replies are stupid

Jay-Z has the streets..no1 except pac or big will pass him in that, even 50 or Nas
he a lyrical genius, switch up his flow every track, and spits real shit ppl from the street can relate to
Eminem of course will have more sells, HE'S WHITE!!!, most white people didnt even start rapping or liked rapping till Eminem arrived, plus he has the media attention on everything he does, why?, because HE'S WHITE
and Nelly is garbage, but he makes singalong, club & radio tracks, for all types of races and personalities...ppl from the street, suburbs, white, black, doesnt matter..every1 can dance to his shit, plus his sex appeal is reason being he selling so many records
so w/ them facts you cant knock Jay

i swear you are one of the stupidest ppl i heard

jay z is tite as fuck, one of the best mainstream artist out. who the fuck cares how much albums he's sold? immortal technique, canibus, aesop, and all them underground artists have sold way less than the mainstreams and theyre still better lyrically wise, message wise, poetry wise, and almost everyfucking way. Jay knows the streets but he doesnt always talk about the streets, he switches up what he raps about, he touches on every subject from his relationship with his father, drug deals,, inspiration, and life. Definetely not the best emcee but does deserve alot of respect for some of the shit hes done. Since when the fuck do record sales have mattered when comparing how good an artist is? only ignorant fucks take that shit seriously. to quote immortal technique "so if you go platinium, it has nuthin to do with luck, it just means a million people are stupid as fuck"

you ppl say who cares about hios record sales................well if he's one of the best and always braggs about money and women shouldn't his record selling ability be critiziced?................look theres no comparing em to jay......em is better...............and it's not cuz he's white and trust me noone hates whites more then i do..................em has hot lyrics that stay stuck in yo head................jay-z only makes a hit if he got a hot chorus and beat, eminem don't need a corus or a beat to make a hot song he relies on his lyrics.............u can endlessly quote em but i still don't see anyone being able to quote jay.................

Jay-Z?...........................hahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! :laugh: U kno' whut? I don't even think I HAVE to explain mah laughter! Jay-Z used to be coo, but he whack now! He just whack! that's it!

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"It goes, Reggie, Jay-Z, Tupac and Biggie, Andre from Outcast, Jada, Kurupt,
Nas and then me."

Hmmm...wonder who said this line in one of his songs...
answer Eminem

even the great eminem himself thinks jay is better...now that was not to
withdraw your opinion of who u think is better.you have the right to your opinion..
all these jay -z haters...be the main ones making the jayz is overrated/should just give it up threads...
if you dislike him..why even waste your time making threads about him
i hate jarule..never made not one "who hates jarule" thread
its a waste of time

record sells dont mean shit...listen to Jayz lyrics
he explains in more than one song why he is mainstream...
its all about money...going platinum is not easy...especially today
with bootlegging n shit..

get off jay....personally i thinks he dope..
and i dont need record sells to prove that to me either..
i dont give a dam how many records tupac...nas...Em...50...
fucking Nelly <---:laugh: lol for even mentioning his name)or
Mc hammer sold
with the exception of nas cus i think he's dope
none of these other cats can even hold a candle to jay...
so fuck the sells...and the media because they promote who they feels
should represent the main stream which is where Eminem comes in
no disrespect to Em...he took advantage of his skill and his skin color
to get where he is...which he makes mention in several of his songs
the truth is in the content and the lyrics my friends not records sells...

Sales dont mean shit Gunman, just cos he doesnt sell as much as weak MC's like Nelly who could be merked by 99% of this site, doesnt mean hes worse.

And for the record, the only commercial rapper comparable to Jay-Z is Nas; otherwise, Jay-Z is the best commercial rapper out there - fuck sales.

This whole thread is BS, HOVA is the best emcee out. Fuck record sells

no jay-z's not the best, not ever one of the best. but record skills still dont mean shit for how much skills you got.alot of underground rappers arent selling shit but they are still better then 98% of the mainstream rappers.

fuck using record sales to prove if someone is good or not, get the fuck out of here with that bullshit

and u are now the biggest fuckin idiot on the site. dont even post anymore asshole. u just lost any thread of credibility u had in this discussion. racist asshole :gfy:

he said that in another thread.

you a idiot. using record sales to determin how good someone is. get out of here with that bullshit.

rakim, canibus, brother ali, louis logic, vakil pete rock and cl smooth, gangstarr, oc, mos def, talib kweli, de la soul, pharoahe monch, krs one, big l, InI, jean grae, raekwon, common, az, jeru the damaja, big pun, notorious big, redman, non phixion, the roots, atmosphere,cormega, immortal techinque, zion i, chino xl, planet asia, binary star, .......i could go on forever.

all of them are better then these shitty ass pop artists selling millions of CDs, CD SALES DONT MEAN SHIT! the way to rap is what makes you dope, not how many CDs you sell.

i could tell your into that pop rap bullshit, because you seem like one of those people that doesnt have his own opinion, you probabley let other peoples opinon on music influince your opinions, thats why your making the stupid ass arguement about record sales.

^backpacker *cough*

jay z appeals to people in the streets...lately his songs are about women and cars...and only people in the streets like that?...

I dont think so...

And he still has sum stuff about life in the streets and all...
But wat does he say that hasn't already been said by BIG or PAC or anyone else for that case...

Lyrically the guy sucks...
Ras Kass, Immortal Technique now they're summin to talk about...

He's a good buisnessman tho and he made his lil songs to make money and get a clothing company and everythin out...

His records sale = nothing to do with his talent...

If you guys are tellin kids ova here in the Open Mic sessions to improve...go to ohhla or summin...

Juss look around...its pretty bad...

and thats directed to a lot of mc's...

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^do you listen to music or do u just skim through it?

do you even know what a backpacker is?

i hate how people think if you listen to underground your a backpacker.

and did see any aesop rock, sole, dose one, sage francis, or any of that other nerd bullshit? people that listen to that garbage are usualy people that call themself backpackers.

i dont listen to abstract bullshit rapping about tea partys with goats wearing boots and sad suns.

i listen to people that rap about real life stuff.

Jay-Z Is A Fat Lipped cow F'real No Disrespect But He Sucks

<<< listens to underground hoe lol

btw... gunna if ur reading this and cant reply to it... thats because i banned ur racists ass. bitch

^ and good on you too. Every post I've seen by Gunman either originated from the terms "Trying to be black" or "hes white"...

And Myk, why do you call it nerd bullshit? Everyone has the right to make whatever type of hip-hop they want, and some people like listening to abstract rap. And that includes me - but doesnt mean I dont listen to what you call "real life stuff". Can't you just enjoy what you like and let other people listen to what they want without critism?

Also, I think you said Canibus - he is about the biggest nerd in hip-hop history... but that doesnt mean hes not dope.

jay z was a big expression on every 1 so this shit needs to be
closed and all ya'll haters need to shut tha fuck up