The effect life has on rap and viseversa
 

It seems to be a more growing trend to be "ghetto" dress with baggy clothes slang and unintelligent talking...But why? Any real person from the ghetto, a poor family a drug environment knows that isnt "cool" it isnt "dope" and frankly its fucking retarded to want to emulate anything near that type of lifestyle.
Unfortunatly Rap music seems to be the main reason these children/people want to act that way. Hip-hop is great i think, that culture is alright, except more and more youth want to be involved in that culture see people like 50 cent, ja rule, past greats like pac and biggy adn start running around wereing rocka wear shady wear shit like that want to be gangsta.. Thats fuckign sad and very pithedic, ive come from that lifestyle, ive had the life of poor as fuck no where to live, feelings unloved, delt drugs, been addicted. commits fucked up acts fucked up crimes, held guns, scraped, gotten use to being able to sleep with helocopters above ya head. had my neighbors taken out with a shotgun blast tothe chest, both parents murdered due to the lifestyle they chose and because god felt it was there time....
I think its sad when i see little 15 yearold kids(even older than that and younger than that) trying to imulate that lifestyle.. Ive lived it , you dont want it..

I also think that the way you rap does have to do with your lifestlye, it shows a since of realism adding and using the anger aggresion you have built up over the years (eminem is a great example). Take Jay-z yeah he raps bout his chains, and ish every now an then.. thats because when he was coming up thats what he wanted.. but he isnt there anymore, now he just wants more it seems, godda label, clothing, dating a R&B star..

greed... Then you have eminem, who was raised like shit, was into the fame at first, now every picture you see snaped of him does it fucking look like hes happy? does his music seem that way? naw, he took that route because he want to take care of his family and because he loved it (the music)..

For all you people trying to be gangsta.. doing stupid shit, forcing that lifestyle on your self just quit...Its not worth it, and worse even. your forcing yourselves to be somthing your not... regaurdless of what you think, if you CAME from that lifestyle.. if you were raised like that then you have my empathy as well as my sympathy.. for those of yu with loving parents, that were never raised on the street or near that life style.. drop the fucking act and get your ass in school.. getta job, and get in real life.

Look at the backgrounds of your favorite artist.. then tell me if you really want to live that shit, good along with bad...

Eminem looks like that to keep the 'fuck the world' appeal so they'll buy his albums

Wow...very insightful and im sorry to hear about your folks

People follow the trends that they see...and because 50 and ja get exposure people will be like them..take nirvana..before kurt cobain killed rock and roll everyone was wearing leather pants, smoking an fucking...kurt started screaming...now kids were like 'my life sucks!'

so as long as the image that is portrayed is stupid, then the flock of sheep will be stupid

Whats sad is I've come across countless numbers of 12-16 year old females that think they are grown and think Lil Kim,Trina and Foxxy Brown are good role Models so they start to think they are grown and start having sex at an early age with older males and get caught up and end up worthless.

yeah it's sad

but people tryin to be ghetto is age old, not just cause hip hop came around

For the record, it is "pathetic" not "pithedic."

Anyways, you are basically preaching to the choir here. These people won't listen until they see it for themselves. I was actually in a diner the other day and these kids, I guess 15 and under group, walked in thugged out and acting like they are the shit. They started playing all of these ring tones loud as shit of their mainstream beats and sing a long to it. I counted their conversation for their short stay. 68 "Yo's" and 32 "Dog's."

It had to of been the most-unintelligant group I ahve ever seen. They had no idea what they were portaying. They had no idea what Hip-Hop was. They were followers. But they were gangstas, so they didn't care.

I think it's ok to accept and enjoy the culture and that includes the clothes... but every person and especially every emcee should just be true to where they came from...

im writin a set of verses about hustlin'.... to get grades... to get a job... to work 40 hours a week at both and still have time to look out for my fam...

that's the shit i came from and im prouder than any of ya highschool dropout, drug dealin thugs will ever be...

{Peace}

hip hop does not have a uniform!

I'm a white boy, and I don't consider myself to be "gangsta", nor do I try to make myself appear that way.

However, Hip Hop has had a huge influence on my life. It has given me a whole different outlook, and opened my eyes to alot of things that I never realized.

I don't dress gangster, I know my race, and I don't stray from the "whiteboy" stereotype and into the "wigger" territory. However, I DO rap, and I think my respect towards other cultures has gained ME respect, at least in my own community.

Me and my DJ do our things, and don't try to emulate anyone else.

the dressing is part of the culture, problem is people tend to think the 'i'mma gangsta' shit is part of the culture too, when the culture is being yourself.

Exactly.

True hiphop does not have a uniform, however, look at the image that is portrayed by hiphop.. the common bonds each artist (namely mainstream) presents to the nations, are youth, one another.. the objectificaion of wemon is just wrong. the presentation of guns, gangsta and constant hussle ARE somthing that these kids and people become inrolled in and start actting out with.

THen you get to a point were thirteen year olds are carrying, fifteen year olds are addicted, everyone becomes self indulged with no real meaning of life other than to fuck "get dough" and "hold it down" when in all reality they are ona front.. there NOT holding down SHIT... and there just trying to be some one else.. be somthign there not.

I see tons of these kids.. i know kids like this.. i see these kids on RB everyday, yea there newbies true but havent yall ever notcied theres WAY to many " nigga ima cap you, grab ya bitch slap her to, dont make me fuckin stab you" coming from younger and younger people? thats sad.. and were do you think they got that additude? what form the rich suburds were momy and daddy raised them around no voilence telivision? around there loving caring family... two point three children, mini sudan driving middle class family with no affiliation? living in a rich house compiared to the poppulation of were the fuck ever? I i feel bad for them..

And whats worse im trying to move past that imagine, alot of artist are, and these kids get caught up in that shit for some inate reason.. then they start a front and start dressing and doing the idoitic things that go along with that lifestyle..
whats worse they werent brought into that against there will.. they didnt have a choice, they chose to be there. Its really sad..

I cant see how some one who puts on a front like that walking around thinking there toughshit, greatest in the world gangsta when in reality they dont know shit about this world. will ever be anything other than fake untill they realise that.. i look at these artist in mainstream and i see people that accually lived they.. raised in that.. not decided to one day start being "ghetto"...

Im not saying using slang is a bad thing, or wearing baggy clothes makes you idoit.. im talking about those people who go overboard.. the ones that NEED to have that, everythign else sucks.. rocks gay, blah blah blah, fucking stupid shit like that.. peopel that dont realise SHIT in life, other than "hey look BET".

Its peopls like this that cant think for themselves.. get caught up in a lifstyle that will undoubtly ruin them and will never be real.


This a movement people...

"release the gangsta, be your fucking self"
- outcome

im sorry but your PART of what im talking about to.. ignorence... it doesnt matter if your black, white,hispanic,asain what the fuck ever... You dont have to be black to rap.. you dont have to be white to were tommy hilfiger.. thats a racist sterotypes, thats promote uninteligent people.

Preach OutCome Preach

And fuck an image, be yourself

Heres an idea of how it breaks down on RB:

The reason alot of new members get laughed at and the like is cause they act hard and blah blah blah... but if you take the time to look around at the older respected members you can see how they act and the like.. and its not eve age, cause KonCept (happy b-lated) just turned 16, average rb age, and he doesnt act 'hard' or the like... he just acts as himself.

So just be yourself, be comfortable in your own skin and fuck what others people opinions are of you

While id rather not name people, there are members on this site who arent even that much into rap music but still represent a better image than those of you who talk about guns knives sluts etc.

I forgot what the thread was, its interseting. The effects yeah well I'm a white guy doin my raps and getting my writing on ya know and all the relfects in my speach because thats the way I think. I'm never gonna write somthing and not do it or believe in it, what the fuck would that be about ya'll feel me, we need to be real. I get hated on all the time because I work a denny's, if you havent eaten there then I'll tell you its basically your country folks. I have no beef right away though when they hear my speach or choice of words they have something against me. Personally I grew up poor and a broken family so I dont need shit, I guess thats why I keep an additude also including eminem, one of my favorites. You can't take shit from nobody cause once they think they have control over you its double hard to get up, I know.
Basically this thread was sick, props to the creator, my complements to the cheff. Keep cooking.

it think the scottish sticky guy is just sayin what you're saying a different way outcome...

he isn't frontin a white boy image for no reason... he's just up front about who he really is...

thas coo

{Peace}

Man... why the fuck does every one keep making hiphop an issue of race???? that is NOT the case, fuck i see BLACK people doing shit like this to!
It isnt a fuckign matter of "oh im black, i have to wear sean jean" "oh really? im white, i need to dress abercrombie" Blah blah blah..

Thats fucking ignorance, and extream sterotypical thinking that simply CAUSES shit like this to happen...
Making everything about Race.. i mean Fuck..Am i here bitchign that my fucking mother was shot in her face? FUck no i aint...

Its hard to "get up" how fucking old are you... Its not hard to get up.. Maybe if you ACTTED the way your suppose to in your work place people would wonder why the fuck is this kid using curse words whiel young timmy eats his potatos.

god doesnt give us more than we can handle.. Every person was created equal..
I havent had it harder than anyone else in this world.. AS for your rap lyrics, ive never heard um.. if yu say you just do this shit because thats who you are.. and your accually that way then whatever, good for you..... And yove come from a broken home, that wasn the richest.. welcome to like 50% of the world...

That isnt a diss.. and truthfully empathy is there.. But at the same time what im talking about is this.. eminem, i respect him because he doesnt (well didnt) act gangsta.. he didnt even get NEAR that aspect untill gunit and 50 came into the picture.. Before that he was " this is me, liek fuck you, dont fuck you.. alls i give ashit about is my daughter"
^ THAT is a man with prioritys.... he KNOWS what comes first... Im saying this, did you GROW UP THAT WAY... was the the way you were raised, the environment you lived in to make you talk like that????

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or was it somthing you got from other kids...music.. telivision..
I remember in school the vice principle was in our class, and this was a GRIP ago. nearly 6 years ago in 8th grade. gusy in there.. talking to us on how children are products of there environment, unless they chose to act out except the problem was when they act out they faLL into certain crowds, and that crowd molds them into somthign they never really were, but because there actting out they become that.
he asked us if we coudl stop cusing cuz it showed the younger children a way to act.. and chances were are parents did not act liek that, he knew they didnt, he knew are parents............

i retaleated with i live with my grandmother.. and in a simpel drive to the store, you will hear a death threat, see a finger flips and her the words fuck you at least three times...

Or somthign liek that i dont really remember everything.. but that is my point, i am the way i am to day becaus eof the shit ive been through. i fucking rented out the meth house were i was.. my entire family has delt drugs. every person in my family has been to jail, and a partion to prison... i was raised in that, but do i go off flased out in fubu? wearing a durag being like " whats up my nizzle" i make remarks like that moaking kids that try to imulate that style.. It fucking pisses me off..

I understand why black people are offend when other races use the N word.. Because im offend when people who arent try to act ghetto.. poor isnt fun..if
you think it is go fuck yourself
Lemmie take these kids and drop um in the middle of crenshaw blvd.. then well see how they act.. OH and if you dont know what crenshaw is, look it up in california, and show up there wearing your greatest fubu outfit..



Oh and by the way, Im part white, and either half hispanic or half native american, if i knew who my real father would have been i would tell you..






This a movment yall

"Release the gangsta, be your fucking self"

yo um ok, you had some good points. Dont Forget, kids watch the commercial and say nizzle because they want to cause it was cool or funny. There are two types of people your closeminded and freethinkers. I say what I say because thats what I think. People at my work, you commented on, respond the way because of two differant points of view. Either they are with you or they are against you, I dont think you can argue with that but be my guest and try.

It's probelly and old quote I wonder who said it, if you think know then drop some science. Its one of those ones we all have heard you know.

Magnificent, you said it man.

hw do you know thats what you think? it isnt a free way of thinking if you bring race into music its a common sterotype..

And this world motto seems more and more "i dont e=give a fuck, who cares about them" which is a common bond that goes with alot of other issues as well as rap.. the "with us or against us"..

HEY HERES SOMTHING NEW try CARING.... ANd Old concept forgotten over the years..

and why the fuck are you even talking? after i said "good for you" nothing else was remotly directed toward you, unles syou feel as though istruck some sort of nerve by saying kids who dont know shit about the street then try and act as though they do pisses you off???

I mean really.. Yea you talk "ghetto" you dress "ghetto" Ok..

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Why.. Were you raised that? were you even remotly near that type of environment???

And i mean Ghetto, IE poor, surround by the shit you hear about.. if you were accually in that environment, hey whats up... If you just decided G this is the type of person im going to be... LoL you really need to check yourself. But hey thats just an opinion
because i know actting like a fuckign idoit, getting high, going to jial and actting THUG is cool now a days.. DOnt wurrie dawg.. I got CHu...

We wont meet and if we do we would'nt think first about it being you or the other, I at least I wouldnt, so just know I dont give a fuck. Take that how ever you wanna, just know I'm wippin bitches like an iguana, check your own mutha f@#%ing persona.

Ohh ya and this has been a great disscusion.
Elevate

Funny part, you dont scare net thug.... Just another of example of what ive already pointed out.

^ this is a very valid thread... I can relate to your situation somewhat.

I wasn't exactly raised in a ghetto, but a very poor Eastern European country... Bosnia to be precise. Dunno if you know or not, but in 1992-1996 there was a huge civil war in my country where 250,000 of my people were killed by our own neighbours. I was forced to go with my parents to Australia as a refugee, and I'm not ever turning back. Bosnia was always poor (average annual income per person = $1500 US). So I basically grew up in semi-poverty, and the war fucked it up even more.

Since I'm Eastern European, I'm a wog. Yes, the greasy, hairy, tall & kebab eating, slang using, car loving people many seem to hate. Well guess what, I don't give a flying fuck. For me, I have pride of my culture and my race, and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks - and everyone should feel that way about themselves. That's why it pisses me off when Anglo (English) Australians start acting like wogs just so they can be "cool" with us.... I mean.. shit... I don't care what your nationality is, you can be cool with me if your a cool person.. not because you act like me...

I would be pretty confused if someone who isn't Bosnian started jumping around in sports shirts and old-skool sneakers shouting "Yo what's doin bro!?!?" in a wog accent whilst chomping on a kebab saying "zhish ish hot shit bro"... Or even worse, where scratched and tainted coats with low leather caps (a style from my country)... why would you want to have experienced the pain I have? Enjoy your life for what you have, and don't try to be someone your not.

And even if it is hard to believe, hip-hop is a big part of my life. And no, I don't go around acting "gangsta" or "hood". In fact, I'm your typical senior high school guy. I don't try to act hard online, wtf? Like anyone's gonna think I'm a hot shot cos I speak in verbal jargon. And I hate bad grammar. You probably won't see me using many "online" shortcuts when typing things.

So I perfectly agree with OutCome. You're you; not someone else. Lead your own life, bro :P

people try to act like that as they think its cool, but it comes from a place which isnt. baggy clothes i think are a great trend and the hiphop slang!! very insiteful.

uppin

This a movment

"release your gangsta, be your fucking self"


Its gunna be a tshirt Logo :)

outcome... the way I see it.... you've contradicted yourself in every damn post.

You're saying 'be yourself'...'don't care what others think' etc.. blah blah, when in fact you shouldn't even be concerned bout the current state of hip hop imitation.
Yeah, its become the new trend, so what? You know who the fakes are, let 'em get on with it.
Race is an issue in hip hop.. it can't be disputed, and you should know this.
Many black hip hop artsits rap about white oppressors etc.. or whateva..
Personally, I don't wear 'hip hop' clothing.. its shit. I wear casual jogging bottoms/jeans and hoodys/polo tops. Now for instance, many people will say 'ah yeah... hoodys.. hip hop style'. No. Thats plain dumb. the fact of the matter is, hip hop has glorified certain things, and therefore its become assossiated with it.
Whether your from Wales, LA or fucking Iceland, many people are 'thugs'.....just not your typical 'hip hop' thugs. People wear hoodys, tims etc.. cos they fucking want to, not to be 'hip hop'.
The whole way you stated you've done this, done that, come from this.. blah blah... its dumb. I mean whats it really matter? You think that gives you the right to wear fucking ghetto clothes? Fuck outta here..
You're an idiot..

You know part of me does agree with what your saying.. The only real point im trying to make though is why? why do children and other people try to imulate that..

Yeah I feel you man.. :thumbup:

I see where your coming from, it is getting worse I guess..

Man, I wasn't being fucking racist. I was just saying I don't really care much about my image, and I don't try to withold that certain "oh he's a rapper" stereotype.

tha clothes are gd so thats jus u bitchin.........

but kids see 50 and wanna b like him.....they jus bein kids.....nuttin wrong with that

and if there parents are clever enuff.....they will let em go through that phase.......
kids will do wot they want 2 c wot image they prefer........

The clothes dont mean shit yes, but at the same time its like batman.. once his uniform on its GODDA ACT THIS WAY.. so in a way the clothes are apart of it because that image is carryed with those clothes.

And as for it being a "phase" what abotu the kids that drop into that phase. say fuck this fuck that, blah blah blah and grow into what they are trying to be. when in reality yes it started as a phase, but became worse than that.

^ Yeah... good points man..

there is somethin wrong with kids imitatin 50

that shit about bein a pimp is mysoginistic and just outright disgustin.... my kids will strive for the greatness of their own potential not just clone some wack rapper...

{Peace}

uhhhh i think uve forgotten what outcome is tryin to say...

If your born rich man fuckin enjoy it damn. You can buy fuckin phat pharm if u want to u can wear tims u can do wutever u want. This isnt about wut clothing kids wear. Kids will be kids. They are ganna wear what they think is cool unless uve been threw hard times and it pissed u off but when a rich kid wishes he was poor to look cool or fit in that is fuckin retarted and that is just wrong and whoever does that needs to fuckin be dropped off in fuckin mexico and live of of tourist change

how true it makes me sick every time i see some little muh fucka come up decked out in phat farms and shit and be like hey whats up dog...i just shake my head and walk away...its sick i mean i understand that these kids are drawn to the image of hard knock life times and thuggin it out and fuckin the ho's and whatnot but it's not their life so rather than appreciating what they have they try to ruin it by buying guns and getting into drugs and having sex underage because they think it makes them seem tougher than other kids. that's just wrong, you can still enjoy hip hop and all without having to live it for respect or whatever...

^ very true... do you really think people like 2pac enjoyed having no father, living on the streets, and enduring racism just so he could be "cool"? No fucking way.

Ask any "real" gangsta and they'd go back if they could. Being part of the culture just means respecting it and enjoying it, maybe contributing to it. Hip-hop does not = gangsta.

"any real hood person know being hood is just that"

frankly when ever i wore a hoody it srouded me in darkness,,,

good points yall, up


This a moventment...

I feel ya on this be who you are and don't be shapped into something your not trying to imitate a certain lifestyle..

I also think that the hip hop look is alot better than the rocker look.. whats up with the chains and coloring on yourself with sharpie they look like a bunch off dirty homeless

If it wasnt for hip hop...there would not be any ''wiggers''.