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I Suggest You ALL Read This
This was a post made at another board, that was brought to my attention by gqstylez and I took my time to read it, I recomend some others do as well. I can't clarify if it's real or not, but I wouldnt doubt it! I mean in reality Mad Skillz wrote songs for so many of the artists mentioned on this and even more! So, I dont know. Feel free to drop your oppinion:
------------------------------------------------------ Fu-k what you've heard about the industry to now, fu-k all major record labels and fu-k all major recording artists as well, fu-k Nas, Jay, Em, Nelly, Chingy, Jermaine Dupri, Dr. Dre, Russell Simmons, The ROC, All Of Shady, Desert Storm, R. Kelly, Fabolous, Joe Budden, all mainstream rappers I haven't mentioned. Let me tell you the real industry............ I've been signed for about 4 months now to a major label and now I wish I never started rapping, producing, or even getting into the music business, I'm going to college. You know why underground rappers never shine?? You wanna know why it's so hard to get a deal?? You wanna know why some artists can write 6-7 albums while some cats struggle to write one?? You wanna know why It's more A&R's that exists on labels than it is actual artists on the label?? You wanna know why Interscope is suppressing the whole Eminem thing?? Here Goes....... Most cats believe they can get a deal by spittin' some sick lyrics or making some good songs, wrong. You know what labels do?? A&R's don't look for artists, not at all, Labels sign around 25 artists per decade and then freeze signings. A&R's don't go look for the next big artists, they look for hit songs and writing pools and people who can sing backup vocals. A&R's aren't worried about finding artists with star quality that have interesting backgrounds, oh no, not at all. Here's how they do rappers.........Raping-U-Records artists are starting to get old and played out so they send an A&R out to find a punkass rapper who lives in a respectable area. Next, they make sure the artist is marketable, then they'll sign the artist. Now Rapper A has a record deal with no previous history of rapping, next the label will setup a front to make it look like they discovered the artist (might sign a kid first, then set it up to make it look like this kid was rapping in front of a crowd at a gas station where a highly known A&R just happened to be getting gas from). Next, they'll sit down with the artist and have this reality talk to them, explaining to them that the industry is a business and none of this is real. Now, they'll overexagerate their background and even lie about their age and where they grew up, they'll push a suburban to a harder area then they're really from. They find a an angle (pop's died, parents divorced, got shot, sold drugs, friend died) and push that angle to build the artist sentimental respect (who likes a punk who lived a perfect life??). They'll use that angle to build a story around them and how that event or events affected them. Now, they hit the studio, right?? Wrong!! Now here is what real A&R's are meant for. They'll send out their A&R's and stupid cats like me will kill to get the demo in their hands, once these A&R's have a good number of SOLICITED demo's they'll tell Rappers B, C and D to send the label some material. Rappers B, C and D think they might get a deal, so they get their demo package together with Bio, Pic's, Press Kit and the actual demo. They probably tellin' their guys that they finna get signed and ish. Wrong........ Now A&R B is at the label listening to the demos of Rapper B, C and D. A&R B doesn't care for anything but the songs. A&R B is really feeling Rapper B and D's demo's (capable hit songs) but not Rapper C. So that's when Rapper C gets the rejection letter. Now the A&R is interested in Rapper B & D's material, so they'll write them and ask them to send more material, now B & D really think they're gonna get signed. A&R B listens again and feels as if Rapper D isn't as good as he thought he was but still feels Rapper B. Now he sends a rejection letter to Rapper D. Now the contact is made with Rapper B and a meeting is set up. Sounds lovely right?? Keep Reading....A&R B and Rapper B and a few exec's have a meeting and now Rapper B is hit with REALITY. A&R B explains the real music business and gives Rapper B a choice, either walk out that door and be forever blackballed or the alternative. You remember Rapper A, right?? Rapper B has been hit with the reality that he will never be a star. Rapper B just sent in about 10 songs to A&R B which were purchased and now will be on Rapper A's album. Rapper B is now merely part of a writing pool, he will continue to make songs under the supervision of an A&R, only not for himself, for everyone else. Now Rapper B sends about 10-20 songs to Rapin-U-Records every 3 months and now Rapper A, Rapper X, Rapper J and Singer T go through Rapper B's material as well as the other hundred's of Rappers and Singers that are merely writing pools material and pick which song they want on their album. Now here is where the process takes place, Rapper A chooses 3 songs from Rapper B, 4 songs from Rapper Y and 2 songs from Singer U to make an album. Rapper A might want to do his own song so the label gives Rapper A 2 slots to do his own songs. When the album is finished, starving artists in writing pools are paid off and SILENCED. Now you can read the credits and see Rapper A's name all over, but it's to fool you, the sheep, the cats who buy the albums and the stupid chickenheads that believe anything in writing. Rapper A has candy stories and rumors started by people at the label that grow and make the Rapper more respectable, more harder and more controversial to keep the life span of Rapper A alive. Guess what?? If an A&R finds someone else who's making better songs than Rapper B, they cut him off and blackball him to keep him silenced, it's that simple, fuk what you heard and believe. Beef?? Real or fake?? Ima tell you this, more beef's in the past and present then you brainwashed muthafukaz will ever believe are fake, some are real but even then you'll believe what you want. Once Rapper A falls off (not lyrically, not songwise) marketwise, they drop them and a new era of MUSIC INDUSTRY BULLSH*T arises. And that's just the rappers, I'm not even going to get into producing, all Ima say is that most of your respectable producers are merely NAMES, you believe PRODUCER B is ths ish?? PRODUCER B can produce, but how do you think they can produce so many hot songs at one time?? They don't, a label will send out A&R's to find clones (people who've been influenced and therefore have the same sound) of the producer and the same process as with Rapper's A, B, C and D will spark up with producers too. THINK ABOUT IT........ Why do think it took Twista and Memphis Bleek so long to come out again, huh?? Cuz they wanted to write their own albums and didn't want to fall victim, too bad that's not for most of the ROC. Why do you think Ali Vegas will probably never drop and even when he drops, watch what happens......Why do you think 50 Cent couldn't get a deal after Trackmasters?? How come the Bravehearts took so long?? And then didn't even get pushed, promoted or even have money put behind them?? Hey Chicago, where is 3Piece?? Why do you think both MTV MC Battles promised Def Jam and Roc-A-Fella Contracts but Reignman's on his own label and Wreckognize aint on the Roc?? How come Shawnna got shelved?? Why did Universal lie about Nelly's age?? Why did it take Jin some 2 and a half years to come out with a single?? Where the hell is Postaboy?? What did Mase get exposed to that made him choose God over Millions of dollars?? Cats know the truth and don't like it, it's that simple....... How would you like it if you've been rapping since you were 7, been hustlin demos, doing meaningless talent showcases and then you finally get a deal at age 20 and now you've become Rapper B?? The industry messes people up for real and half these cats who see the Bling Bling and girls think that's all their is, it's like finding out God doesn't really exists and now I've become Rapper B. Sh*t like this gets cats killed for real, the industry is shady and what you've seen on TV, them DVD's, in interviews, VH1, MTV, whatever is nothing but the "GHOST INDUSTRY" that you've been led to believe is how it is and none of you have any idea, I hate the music industry, I hate the entertainment business, I'm going to college, getting my degree and am leaving this is behind me, FU*K COLUMBIA RECORDS and most of all, ya'll can SU*K my D*CK. To the industry heads on here, F*CK U, go ahead, yeah, I've broken the silence, only the underground is real, FU*K the industry....... I'm uppin this til everyone reads it, I thought I was about live out my dream and now I've been exposed to the nightmare that is the industry. I was brainwashed, now I'm not, everything I've said in this post is the truth, anything you've heard or been led to believe is bull, this post applies to all them STUDIO wankstaz....... Cat's I know got ghostwriters and songs come from writing pools.........Fuk what you believe........ Clipse Snoop Nas D-Block Eminem Fabolous Biggie Static Joe Budden Nelly Mase Chingy Ludacris Kanye West Trick Daddy Cassidy Jay-Z Young Gunz Murphy Lee And about a bunch of cats I'm too pissed to mention right now......I'm uppin this til the world blows up, think about this ish seriously and a lot of ish will start to make more sense...... -Welcome To The Real Music Industry- |
Nas , kayne west???
fuck sake your making me loose respect for the industry and rappers damn.. and making me think twice about trying to make it. |
^ Then ive made my point.
I cant stand how badly people are hyping up College Dropout. :^( |
The album was great..but GHOSTWRITERS...what the fuck..
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Fuck this, fuck everything -the only sureness you can have if is you auctually owned a label.
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Like i said .. read the whole thing, and you'll start to understand the industry a LOT better. How it works etc.
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shit man, that's fucked up, this kinda industry is fuckin it up 4 all the thru rappers ou there
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and why do i listen to more Rock ... cuz of shit like that
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Baron, I'm sure you wouldn't mind if I posted this on the other RB board would you? It would surely give some of those kids a reality check.
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Lol.
Go ahead. :^) |
So True....
This is why St. Louis Rappers are big. They are alot easier to market. Nelly's 1st CD was Country Grammar. No previous history. Wow. Chingy just plain sucks. If I have to listen to J-Kwon's new "Tipsy" Song 1 more time I'm gonna heave. The Best Rappers in the State of Missouri can't get a break. Storm, Lejo, T-Wes, Gatekeeper... none of them are big. This is why Tech N9ne's got the whole FTI thing goin' on. The Industry screws the good rappers. |
Thats what pisses me off you can still have a good party song with some dope lyrics. But nope people com out with a party song a tight beat, a chorus, and those niggaz got a hit. People just love simple now as long as they can dance to it they love it and thats cool. But niggaz with real talent with deep minds are under-rated while half of these over-rated niggaz is gettin paid thats why I hate being from the south. But the most over-rated emcee of all time is 50cent. Eminem doesnt right his own shit thats fuck up im heart broken
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:shocked: Wow :laugh: honestly everything this dude said is probably true. I just cant help but laugh because Iknow so many SICK ass emcees in the underground its not even funny, and they mos def dont get the credit they deserve...its rediculous
50 cent - wack ludacris - wack kanye west - wack twista - now thats my nigga... and I know he aint on no bullshit eminem -was str8 back in 99... now? wack.. nas - one good album... Nelly - WWWACCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKK Chingy - hahahahahahhaa WACCCCCCCKKKKKK |
Alot of this shit I already knew...thats why I have dreams of my own labels and indepence, bullshit free...
And Taktik...This happens just as much in other types of music, even rock... And Im sure that Eminem writes some of his own shit. You know why? Because I heard some of his extreme underground stuff..and it showed that he had the potential to write his own songs. This industry shit isnt a good reason to have prevented him from writing all those songs about himself...Goddamnit, Im sick of eminem though... I wish there were more mainstream labels that arent like this... |
Wot u on about Kanye west wack u dickhead...
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He was underground then - obviously, he had no one writing for him then. But now? Think about it. Check the album covers - where it says who write the tracks. There's him and like .. two guys called something Bass on more than half the album. I rest my case. :^) |
Until there is proof, no one is really going to care. However, I do believe that most artists have 'writing pools' to help them out at times.
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^ The person that wrote this up was offered a contract by the label to be part of the writing pool for Rapper A
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And the proof that he isn't just making all of this up is where? He needs documentation, recorded messages.. checks for ghostwrites.. ANYTHING that will prove this true, and prove others lyrics are bieng used by mainstream artists. |
There is no way you can't think this isnt true... Not saying they do it to all rappers and artists, Just most of the 'stars' that come out of nowhere. I knew most that shit though. Thats why i won't give up any of my songs... Even my poems i wont send to get published. Cause i dont wanna get fucked outa my talent as a poet, and have some other 50 bitch get my spot light.
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really though...cassidy and young gunz.... your gay shut up... u dont know what your talkin bout...all that might happen like 1nce every 10 years... im from nawf philly... just like cas and young gunz..and trust me aint nobody exagerate how hard it was where they from.. young gunz and cas r just raw... they were gettin attention when they were in 9th grade... just ok w/e.. u just sound mad cause u cant get a deal let alone make a decent track
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You'd probably be safe with trying to get your poetry published. Poetry doesn't make as much money as the music industry does. If people are going to try and rip you off or black-ball you like that, they'd do it in an industry that makes a shit load of money, right? I could be wrong though. :thumbup: |
shit you really got me thinking yo
i wanted to produce and open up my studio and work with big names but if that's reality I really gotta get a lot more info about this...wat you posted took my time and red it and i give you probs for opening up and exposing this reality check it's hard to beleive but if you say you have been signed for 4 months and your pissed as fucked then hey i got alote to think about |
Yeah but if you open up your own studio and shit then you dont gotta worry bout the corruption. You run it how you want it ran. The only thing is if your trying to get your stuff heard, then ya worry.
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This answers my question why Skillz still hasn't dropped an album.. I think he would be way more hyped than 50 cent, but now I see why he won't make it past a first album..
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em ain't got no fukin ghostwriters, he writes his own shit...what fukin sense would it make for him to have ghost writers?
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Immoral Techniques is a sick rapper prolly tha best ive heard and hes actualy been offered and turned down major record label contracts cuz of sheit like that .... btw go on kazaa or wha ever u use and dl some of his songs there pure grimey
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i think...
there are many underground rappers that are not getting the recognition they deserve like immortal and cannabis who (the government, media) say are a bad influence on the people and they are stting a bad example for children. I think thats bullshit
FREEDOM OF SPEECH, can't forget that |
This ain't too hard to believe when you look at the stuff in the industry and the pure volume of garabage that gets put out. I would be willing to bet that virually everyone has had help at some point. And the Young Gunz suck so yeah...
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This could also be a bunch of internet bullshit ..
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that is some fucked up shit. thank god you told me i was gonna hand over my demo to the first A&R i saw. thanks baron, you saved my ass. fuck that shit im startin my own label. my crews name is da flatlinaz. might as well call it flatliner records. thanks dawg. that seriously is some fucked up shit. the realest lbel out there is probably rawkus.
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Liquor of Tears
wrote Yeah but if you open up your own studio and shit then you dont gotta worry bout the corruption. You run it how you want it ran. The only thing is if your trying to get your stuff heard, then ya worry. yeah well i would wanna get it heared but now that i think strongly about this i jus might start my own label and get strong underground artist at least it would be fo real and no bullshit like this |
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Eminem has writing partners (the bass brothers). He always has and always will. But I cant see him stealin other people's rhymes. They'll be people to write with him but I cant see him takin other peoples complete songs or anythin. I can imagine 50 doin it. Only because in some songs he's completely wack but in others he actually has decent lyrics. e.g - Realist Killaz. coz you look in the mirror... Ask yourself who are you... If you dont know who you are... How can your dreams come true... ^^^Compared to his other songs that is pretty good |
i aint to sure what to believe, obviously the industrys shady but all them emcees that u said aint shit. nas is heavy
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ya no shit, but what else can you expect from corporate america
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even tho this is so possibly true, who are you all to care, most of you newbs see shit on TV like nelly with all the hoes and think thats cool, then you get on RB and try to fit in by saying hes wack, when you probly bump his cd in your car, lol
all im saying is who cares? if you want to make big money in music you have to do w/e you have to, if your in it for the music and not the money, then why are you even worried about a major label? |
Yeah but i dunno why em would take songs froma writing pool? he has his own label and shit right called "shady records" so this dosent make since when it comes to em mabe u can inform me a lil more but anyway good ass post
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^^^ em is in the postion to take music from the writing pools he is just trying to make a dollar as easy as he can
im really shocked and surpised that alot of you cats on here think everyone wrote there own shit and that cats like chingy and others could actually get a deal by spitting real lyrics this isnt a new situation to the real hip hop head alot of cats sell out being a ghostwriter yeah they get paid for it but at what cost they lose the respect form there friends family fans and hell while rapper A is on mtv chillin in a bentley the ghostwriter is just struggling to make ends meet this was a good peice im glad this was brought on to this site maybe some of you on here will rethink being a rapper for fame and glory and just do it for the pure love of hip hop and poetry and just creative writing in genreal |
its people like you who try to ruin the new american dream if were hot then we hot and i dont give a flyin fuck if i get knocked down cause i'll still have my will and sorry to say it but dont get all mad and try to have us leave or dreams cuz you aint make it
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