Overrated...
 

Aight, this is prolly blasphemy on this site, but i really dont care..

Dont ya'll think Pac is a little overrated? If he wasn't dead rite now he most likely wouldn't be as worshiped as he is now. Im not sayin he isn't great, and I'm not sayin he wasn't one of the best rappers ever, but he is a bit overrated.

I think Nas and Rakim are better than Pac, Nas is better lyrically and may be better at rapping, and Rakim has a similar style to Pac, but i think Rakim is slightly better. Tupac would be third on my list, followed by Big and Jay Z.

What do ya'll think? Most peeps on this site will prolly give negative feedback to what i said, but w/e...

lmao.......i agree with you, i do think pac is overrated, but thats what happens, people die and become more famous..........

i don't think he's overrated but he was all the way real.nobody says he's the tightest lyricist of all time but he was the best all around.there's kids from princeton and harvard the can rhyme and use words and metaphores that u ain't never heard but that just ain't it.it's being real vs being real fake.99% of these rappers ain't never gonna shot nobody but just like possing with guns.pac did it.shot a cop fightin' livin' the life he rapped about.is he the best "rhyme sayer" with metaphores and shit,no but is he the best rapper?no doubt hands down.

its obvious hes overated,,he wouldnt be half as famous now,altho he is great he wouldnt be as big

ummm......Pac was overrated he was a really good storyteller and he
was known for that in my opinion but in my opinion also I feel that
Immortal Technique is better lyrical and loads more Nas, Mos Def,
Talib Kweli, Rakim......etc......if Pac was still alive and still dropping
as I'm typing right now I feel he still doesn't have a chance against
the emcees I typed....and his flow was not very good in my opinion
thats one thing I never really liked about the guy just too slow......

vote: overrated....

Aight, i kno theres a lot better lyrically, and that dont mean you a good rapper, but Nas was and is better lyrically and at rapping, and Nas is the best all around rapper, no doubt. Pac is still great, and always will be but he's just not the best. Nas is much wittier than Pac, and I kno Nas could rip Pac easily if he was still alive...

yea pac is overrated i feel you

i think he would be more popular if he was alive, honestly. A lot of this fake shit wouldnt be around too like lil jon and all them "crunk rappers". He was a real thug, fake shit would be eliminated and he would be one top, period.

black plaugue im calling you out in frontlines set it up unless you scared hating ass nigga

OK look if you are under the age of 18 you shouldnt say nothing about pac cause that means...........you couldnt even think for yourself when he was alive........you were like between 10 and 6 years old so u have no idea who pac was...........

yall younger cats dont know enough about pac to say shit......

i dont think pac is overrated.he was a lyrical genius.he did poetry,that was tight as fuck.his raps all had deep meanings and noone could be compared to him.BIG is straight ass in my opinion..Who shot ya?umm NO!he only had a couple madass sik tracks in ready to die but BIG is madly overrated.He wouldn't be worshipped if he was alive,true,but he would prolly be 1 of the best.and as rawproduct said,he shot a cop and got shot multiple times,meaning,he does do what he says on record,a lot of things rappers dont do nowadays.when he was alive,he sold over 10 million copies of his double albums,almost a record.Pac is definatly not overrated.He is madd hot.

Rakim fuk no I appreciate those saying Nas at least it's an argument but that's about all. Your all lucky Pac is dead cause if he was alive he would have accomplished far greater things since 96 and you wouldn't even be able to compare Nas and Pac. Think about it, think if Nas died when Pac did, do you think then you could have this argument? Of course not, the only reason you can state such bullshit /\ /\ is cause Pac died almost 10 years ago and Nas has had that time to release more shit, shit thats more current he's had almost 10 years to increase record sales, publicity and virtually everything, fuck if Pac hadn't of died you wouldn't even consider this, Pac would have relased albums that would rip the shit out of virtually the whole Rap game. Overratted, thats a load of bullshit, look at the big picture I mean the pinicale of things.

^^word Up This Is One Intelligent Being.

LMAO, ya'll be ridin pacs dead dick too much...

I kno pac is great, and Babylon i have been listenin to pac, and i dont have to be old like you to appreciate him. Yes if Pac was alive, he may have been considered better, but then again maybe he would've run out of shit who knows? All i kno is Nas is alive, and has been droppin hot shit, far better than anyone else for his whole career, so im not playin " what ifs" and sayin " what if pac was alive" cuz he aint, and I think back in the day Nas was still better than pac...

Run out of shit? Clearly, you don't appreciate him for what he's worth if your think'n he'd run out shit, He died in 96 and they've released albums almost every year that he's died thats over 130, no other rapper around spent more time in a studio that Pac did and you think he's gonna run out of shit??? Ya, OKAY.

I'm not sayin he would've, i was jus playin the " what if's " like ya'll were, and yes i do respect pac, and i do appreciate his music, but you cant just speculate what he woul've been like if he was alive. And Nas is better at lyrically than Pac, he is smarter than Pac, he was also better at rapping than Pac was, Nas' flow kills Pac's, so ya'll get off pac's dick cuz there are better rappers out there...

Black Plague, i'm glad I merked you in a battle..

AND YOU'RE AN IDIOT TO SAY NAS IS SMARTER THAN PAC.. PAC'S MOM USED TO MAKE PAC READ THE NEW YORK TIMES FOR PUNISHMENT..

BREAK DOWN THE PHILOSIPHY OF KILLUMINATI AND I'LL TAKE IT THAT YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND HIS INTELLIGENCE.. WHO WAS NICOLO MAKIAVELI, TELL ME, IF YOU CAN'T THEN HOW CAN YOU MEASURE EITHER ONE OF THERE BRAIN CAPACITIES..


IT IS ALWAYS THE WHACK MC'S THAT HATE ON PAC.. (I KNOCKED HIM OUT)..
PAC IS UNDERRATED, COZ I FEEL THAT HE WAS THE PINNICAL OF RAP.. BEFORE HIM IT WASN'T AS MEANINGFUL, AND AFTER HIM, IT WENT DOWNHILL... HE WAS THE MOST INFLUENTIAL, MOST CHARASMATIC, MOST POETIC, REALIST, MOST ENERGETIC, NOW MOST POSTHUMOUS MC THAT EVER TOUCHED THE EARTH'S SOIL..
I DON'T CARE WHO AGREES WITH ME..
PAC'S LYRICS WERE TRANSCENDANT TO THOSE WHO REALLY UNDERSTOOD THE DEBTH AT WHICH THIS MAN THOUGHT..
HE WAS A FUCKING GENIUS WITH A DEADLY FLOW, AND GODLY VOICE.. VERY POWERFUL VOICE.. HIS RHYMES WERE OKAY, YET EMPHASIS WAS ON HIS METAPHORICAL EXPRESSION WHICH POETICALLY SURPASSES THE CAPABILITY OF WHO YOU PEOPLE TRY TO COMPARE 2PAC TO.
ON A TECHNICAL LEVEL HE IS ONE OF THE GREATEST MUSICIANS EVER, LET A LONE MC. HE MADE WONDERFUL AND TIMELESS MUSIC, THAT A FUCKIN IDIOT CAN'T EVEN DENY..TUPAC IS UNDERRATED IF ANYTHING, HE SHOULD BE FUCKING REVERED...
HE WAS THE FIRST RAPPER TO CREATE A FUCKING PHILOSOPHY (KILLUMINATI)..
HE WILL MANGLE ANYONE IN A FUCKIN BATTLE, EMINEM, CANIBUS, BIG, RAKIM, IMMORTAL TECH I DON'T CARE WHO IT IS..
NOT BECAUSE OF LYRICAL DEXTERITY, BUT BECAUSE OF PAC'S STRATEGICAL GENIUS.
WHO PLANS SHIT OUT, AND HE PLANNED TO FUCK BIGGIES LIFE UP TOO, WHICH HE DID.. HE LIED, YES "LIED" ABOUT FUCKIN BIGS WIFE, HE USED IT AGAINST HIM, BRAGGED ABOUT TAKING 5 SHOTS AND BLAMED IT ON BIG, THEN USED THAT AGAINST HIM, HE USED THE DISEASE THAT LIL CEASE HAD, INSULTED KIM, ROASTED NAS AND BRUSHED HIM OFF LIKE A LIL KID, HE FUCKED ALL OF EM UP..

HE LAYED DOWN THE FIRST TRACK ON ALL EYES ON ME IN 15 MINUTES AFTER WRITING THE SONG ON THE SPOT. FINISHED THE ENTIRE ALBUM IN TWO WEEKS AND WENT 8 TIMES PLATINUM.. SHUT THE FUCK UP, PAC WASN'T OVERRATED AT ALL..

NUFF SAID

R.I.P

TUPAC AMARU SHAKUR
1971-1996
THE WEST COAST MISSES YOU......

The Greatest Fuckin
Rapper/mc/poet/revoulutionary/activist/teacher/inspiration Ever^

^ i love this guy *shakes head and walks away*

Lol^

i agree, i think that he was still hot and will always be remembered as a good rapper but as a lot of people have said, nas is the ultimate.... yet more people love pac!!

dont get me wrong, hes good but not as good as what everyone makes out... funny what death does to a career!

Your Are Wierd, You Come In Here And Say That You Agree But Then Disagree.. YOU AGREE TO DISAGREE? Y The Fuck Nas Ain't Go 8 Times Platinum From Illmatic Then.. And Pac Did On A Cd That Isn't Even Considered A Classic.. Pac Was The Greatest, That Is Your Opinion If You Don't Think So..

Datruth,i agree with you 100% in what you said.I couldnt have said it better myself.All that you said is true and pac is,underrated if anything.when he raps you can hear the anguish in his voice about the hard times he went through.he was a lyrical genius.Like you said,we all miss pac except for the idiots.he could woop any1 who comes in his way.BIG ios straight baboon ass in my opinion.

Plus Pac Dissed A Lot Of The East Coast, And They Still Love Pac More Than Nas.. It Has To Be Something In Pacs Words That Touches A Human Naturally More Than Most Mc's.

whoever said dren is the smartest muthafucka on this board,you got competition.lets see dren match this boi.

if you read it it sais that i agree with the fact hes overated and then it explains why....

well i disagree.. no problem

And I agree with this cat up here nice to see somone has there head on straight. /\ /\

nah man... Rakim, Kool G Rap, Grandmaster Flash, Tribe Called Quest,BDP, Kane... i could keep going on allllll spat with emotion before 2Pac came out with his first album...

no.... All Eyez on Me was the first double rap album, also his only double album that came out while he was alive... he didn't die yesterday man

you're provin my point^

he made that album in 2 weeks and went Diamond.. lol, i don't wanna hear shit.. lol, Diamond? lol

Datruth29
Black Plague, i'm glad I merked you in a battle..

AND YOU'RE AN IDIOT TO SAY NAS IS SMARTER THAN PAC.. PAC'S MOM USED TO MAKE PAC READ THE NEW YORK TIMES FOR PUNISHMENT..

nah man... you're confused, It isn't that one was smarter than another, reading a newspaper doesn't make you smart, it keeps you updated on current events... and that was kinda 2Pacs style... he was on the current events/street knowledge/ "i'm so gangsta" tip, while Nas was more on the history/drug dealer with a little street knowledge ... they were just differant, one wasn't necessarily smarter than the other...

BREAK DOWN THE PHILOSIPHY OF KILLUMINATI

Killuminati is just an Anti-Illuminati group when you break it down... anyone who knows anything about the Illuminati would be against it... nothing special

AND I'LL TAKE IT THAT YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND HIS INTELLIGENCE.. WHO WAS NICOLO MAKIAVELI, TELL ME, IF YOU CAN'T THEN HOW CAN YOU MEASURE EITHER ONE OF THERE BRAIN CAPACITIES..

and i dont know how you can measure "NICOLO MAKIAVELI"s brain capacities when you dont even spell his name right... it's Nicolo Machiavelli... and by this mistake i take it you've never read any of his philosophy books


IT IS ALWAYS THE WHACK MC'S THAT HATE ON PAC.. (I KNOCKED HIM OUT)..
PAC IS UNDERRATED, COZ I FEEL THAT HE WAS THE PINNICAL OF RAP..
... and he feels that Pac was under rated... everyone has their own opinions

BEFORE HIM IT WASN'T AS MEANINGFUL AND AFTER HIM, IT WENT DOWNHILL...

maybe to you, but to people who were listening to rap before 2Pac blew up would all disagree with you... there's plenty of people before and after him that went just as - if not deeper than him, spat with just as much - if not more emotion.... who do you think inspired 2Pac to rap? Kool G Rap, Rakim

HE WAS THE MOST INFLUENTIAL,

No he wasn't.

MOST CHARASMATIC

Negative

MOST POETIC
Debatable

REALIST
I'm hoping you're not talking his Death Row days...

MOST ENERGETIC
Ever seen Busta Rhymes on stage?

NOW MOST POSTHUMOUS MC
True, he released more CD's when he was dead than while he was alive


THAT EVER TOUCHED THE EARTH'S SOIL..
I DON'T CARE WHO AGREES WITH ME..


PAC'S LYRICS WERE TRANSCENDANT TO THOSE WHO REALLY UNDERSTOOD THE DEBTH AT WHICH THIS MAN THOUGHT..

I understand exactly what he's saying... i think "Transendent" is stretching it, but i think he's alright

HE WAS A FUCKING GENIUS WITH A DEADLY FLOW, AND GODLY VOICE.. VERY POWERFUL VOICE.. HIS RHYMES WERE OKAY, YET EMPHASIS WAS ON HIS METAPHORICAL EXPRESSION WHICH POETICALLY SURPASSES THE CAPABILITY OF WHO YOU PEOPLE TRY TO COMPARE 2PAC TO.

Surpasses the capability of who people try to compare him to? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... Who are you to say what Nas,Big,Jay Z, Mos Def, Talib, Eminem (eventhough i'm not a fan), Tribe Called Quest, KRS-ONE, Rakim, shit.... even your boy down the street that doesn't have anything to record with, is capable of? By actually beliving youself with that comment is only showing your ignorance & limiting your own potential...


ON A TECHNICAL LEVEL HE IS ONE OF THE GREATEST MUSICIANS EVER, LET A LONE MC. HE MADE WONDERFUL AND TIMELESS MUSIC, THAT A FUCKIN IDIOT CAN'T EVEN DENY..TUPAC IS UNDERRATED IF ANYTHING, HE SHOULD BE FUCKING REVERED...

The same thing should be said about every other great hip hop artist, 2Pac isn't the only one that could be said about


HE WAS THE FIRST RAPPER TO CREATE A FUCKING PHILOSOPHY (KILLUMINATI)..

He isn't the creator of Killuminati, it was something he followed, that's like saying the Wu Tang Clan created the 5% Nation.

HE WILL MANGLE ANYONE IN A FUCKIN BATTLE, EMINEM, CANIBUS, BIG, RAKIM, IMMORTAL TECH I DON'T CARE WHO IT IS..

Chino XL fuckin KILLED Tupac.... exposed him hard.... all Tupac said back was "and Chino XL, FUCK YOU TOO" ... come on...

NOT BECAUSE OF LYRICAL DEXTERITY, BUT BECAUSE OF PAC'S STRATEGICAL GENIUS.

yeaaah... such a strategical genius that he admits to getting raped in prison in one of his songs, for everyone- including his enemys to hear... Such a strategical genius that he got shot 5 times before, and wasn't wearing a vest when he got shot & killed in Las Vegas, when he KNEW he had people that wanted his head on a platter.

WHO PLANS SHIT OUT, AND HE PLANNED TO FUCK BIGGIES LIFE UP TOO, WHICH HE DID..


HE LIED, YES "LIED" ABOUT FUCKIN BIGS WIFE, HE USED IT AGAINST HIM,

How do you know he lied about fucking BIG's wife? How do i know he didn't? That's right... The only person who knows is Faith... you don't kick it with her, or Tupac...

BRAGGED ABOUT TAKING 5 SHOTS AND BLAMED IT ON BIG, THEN USED THAT AGAINST HIM,
...ok
HE USED THE DISEASE THAT LIL CEASE HAD,
damn... frontin like you're all up on who 2Pac was dissin on every song he ever put out, but you dont know he was dissin Prodigy from Mobb Deep?

INSULTED KIM,
huh?


get your facts straight.... where's my receipt?

owned.

Man shut the fuck up Datruth, you didn't " merk" me, i could rip you anytime in a battle.. when we battled i came half assed, and you were jus less wack than i expected you to be...

And nice breakdown ak wordz, u made truth look like an idiot...

ehh, Well, you cant look at the big picture, cause the big picture got cut short. Sooo, I think he is overrated, based on what people rate him on. Ok, he had great poetry and lyrics. And you could tell he was feelin every song he was into... but a lot of cats think this guy was THE best... No, not at all. He was one of the best at the time, but then his time ended, and now he is just a legend. Along with biggie, you cant really say who was better, because they each had different approaches. And neither of them can be called GOAT, because we have no recent stuff to base them on, and some recent underground shit, and a few mainstream cats have the talent to change your mind about the GOAT.
Thats why he is overrated nowadays... i agree if he was alive he would most likley be... but, hes dead. So,
V/Overrated.

oh and...Da truth... you got fucking OWNED by a k

this is all opinion.. so no one is wrong here.. everyone is entitled to an opinion.. i beleive pac was the greatest to have touched a mic yet.. but thats my opinion.. i agree with truth.. i think pac would have changed with the times liek busta rhymes has.. and would have dominated.. just my 2 pennys

i don't think Pac is overrated.

Now Biggie was garbage "i'm not from Houston but i Rap-A-Lot"
that's about the shittiest punchline i've ever heard. He was ABC, and gets wayyyyy too much credit.

All of that was staight worthless bull.. especially when you judge my spelling, yet your etiquette is horrible, and your logic is tangled.. FIRST, i NEVER SAID THAT reading the NY times makes you smart, it helps you attain literacy tho.. also, Pac was very into history, how dare you only attribute that to nas, you're mixed up.. he read a lot of books, like the Art of War, Confucius, and etc...plus, he atleast he knew who the real Makaveli was (not a damn philosopher).. Nicolo was not a philosopher, he was an Italian Prince, and ruled his kingdom in a revoulutionary fashion... I've read "The Prince", have you? plus you say that I try to measure his brain capacities
(plural, meaning nicolo must have two brains), while you still refer to The Prince, when I was talking about Nas and Pac's intellectual peaks, CAN YOU READ? how did you get confused so quickly? lol.. Everything that you just wrote confused me, and seemed baseless.. you just needed someone to challenge, yet i've made you look like a total fool..

Also to me, yes Pac was the first to spit with emotion, and I stand firm..
and when I say he surpasses the peeps i named metaphorically, you try to lecture me, like I can't have an opinion.. then you say i display ignorance and limit my potential.. that was ignorant, and out the ass.. When I was born, i was born with particular capabilities, and potential is measured from that, not from what is said on a forum, you make me look smart.. stop hurting yourself.
and actually i should of rephrased it, fuck kulluminati, he still created his own way of life from the Thug Life philosophy.. so you are once again tossed down.. and yes, Pac was a strategical genius, suck a genius that he told every he got raped, took 5 shots, and still won the fuckin battle, lol.. next point..

CHINOXL DID NOT EXPOSE SHIT, BECAUSE CHINOXL SUCKS ASS. PLUS HE WAS SO UNDERGROUND THAT I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO HE WAS UNTIL A YEAR AGO.. SO IT WASN'T EXPOSED TO THE WORLD IF THAT'S WHAT YOU MEAN. PAC CRUSHED HIM BY SIMPLY BRUSHING HIM OFF AND GOING AT BIG.

THEN YOU SAID

"FRONTIN LIKE YOU ALL UP ON WHO 2PAC DISSIN ON EVERY SONG"

YOU WRITE LIKE A SLAVE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT CLAUSE, TO EVEN RESPOND TO IT..

SO IN CONCLUSION, YOU HAVE WAISTED ATLEAST 30 MIN. WRITING A RESPONSE TO SOMEONE THAT YOU DON'T KNOW, ABOUT SOME IRRELEVANT TOPIC, AND STILL GOT CLOWNED.. PLUS YOU WROTE DOWN AND COPIED EVERY THING THAT I SAID, MANUALLY (WHICH IS TEDIOUS) INSTEAD OF QUOTING ME.. YOU HAVE NO FUCKING LIFE, PLUS YOU'RE DUMB AS ALL HELL FOR DOING IT THE LONG WAY...LMFAO...

YOU'LL NEVER OUT WIT A PAC FAN.. PEOPLE THAT KNOW THAT PAC WAS THE BEST IS ALWAYS SMARTER.. LMAO, ROASTED..






















P.S, I WON'T RESPOND TO ANYTHING ELSE YOU SAY, I GOT MY SPEECH OUT.. LOL