Voting? I have solutions not problems...
 

people dont vote because its not required...I think above the box you post your verse there should be two other boxes where you put two links to votes...sure people would do bullshit votes but these people would get weeded out pretty fast...I mean there would be loopholes but there would still be a huge spike in voting...particularly in efl...

not that I know anything about coding but this doesnt seem like it would be too hard to code...just copy and paste the text box code from the post your verse box and leave it in the same form tag except change the attributes to make it shorter...

let me know if this is doable b/c I think a lot of people would support it...

....Agreed!....

weerd...so your not to post a battle verse unless you have voted twice on battles and supply links?

correct...meh maybe we could do it in the setup before the battle starts...so as not to interfere with the time limit...

if they could setup a hack like this it'd be a good idea... hopefully someone will see this and be inspired...

Strobe where you at peep this.

is it correct that u get $40 RV everytime u vote?

^^^^ na you only get 25..... someone should talk to strobe and tell him to raise it to maybe 50

Yo On Da Real That Is An Great Idea Yo Strobe Put That Idea On Da Map Homie

Great idea schema.....i think this would work well....other...MODS? ADMIN?...respond to this...lol

i'm feeling that.... but.... we gotta make sure that they are recent votes on battles that haven't been closed more than a week cuz kats will try to use the same two links forever

This might be possible... but what's the difference between this and the credit system already in place? Currently you need to vote in 5 battles before you can start a new battle.

yeah, and plus what about when u first join... u dont have enough posts to vote, so you wont have the votes to battle.. so every newbie will have to just make posts in LL or something? theres a conflict there... i think an increase in the money for each vote would be an excellent idea...

because once the noob phase is over where you are so excited that you run around voting on everything to get money or raise your post count (many of these votes being unexplained or just bad votes because when youre a noob you dont really know what youre talking about and youre in a rush to raise your money and post counts) people stop voting...me for example I have 70 or 80 credits...and I dont battle that much so I pretty much never have to vote again...I dont vote much more than I have to so I almost never vote on anything....but if I had to vote twice and post links before each battle Id:

A)vote more and
B)get in the pattern of voting a lot and maybe vote more even when im not battling just because Im used to it...
C)never run around making superfluous battles 10 at a time because having to actually do 20 votes before you start them is way more of an impact then "Hey I just lost 20 battle credits"...

the hard part about coding this would probably be making sure people arent using the same links over and over...what I thought of is maybe it would be possible to integrate it with the timer system so that you cant use battles that have been closed longer than a certain amount of time....this wouldnt eliminate the problem but it would certainly reduce it...

Id be glad to talk with you over e-mail or some kind of messenger program to hammer out the specifics a little bit more but this is where my idea is at so far...


Short Answer:
Look at the difference between FL and EFL...most vets never vote because they have enough battle credits that they never have to...this puts everybody on more of a level playing field...breathes new life into EFL and stabilizes FL a little bit...the huge problem in EFL is why I think a lot of middleweights and vets are behind this idea...

thats how it is already...nothing would change about this...you already need 20 posts to make a battle...

I dont think you need 20 posts to vote but I didnt propose any kind of change to the current system of how many posts you need to do anything...

dope idea.......i don't like closing battles with no one as winners

GReat IDEA!!!!! might cut into the time limit but its still a great idea..... and the old five votes before u can battle thing is kinda an honor system that not many ppl abide by i dont think

Actually, it is 20 posts to vote and there is no min number of posts to set up a battle... the problem with requiring links to setup a battle would be the newbie who doesn't have any votes yet and can't vote until they get the 20 posts.. but then 20 posts isn't a lot.. I might be able to make it so that people who are on here less than 2 weeks or so are exempt or something. How about 1 link to a battle voted in the past week? I'll think about it some more..

Its a must yes it'll bring the activity on voting on this site back up to the levels it was previously on...

and you could set a program to activate the new voting link when they automatically reach 20 posts until then they could have the current battle screen but as soon as it hits 20 posts...they have to use the link...

great minds think alike.... this is exactly what i said in my post a little ways up... the links gotta be current, like no more than a week old or not more than a week after the battle has closed... whichever comes first... that'll make you have to vote more often...

i have a solution....it may work...or yall might not lyke it.....have a mod encharge of the battle arena...and have them regulate how many battles go up at a tyme...there is a flood of battles, and people dont lyke goin thru tha pages to find otha battles that haven't been voted on....but, this may not work because of the system....or yall could cut the number of open battles you can have, so that would give the battlers no choice but to vote to clear their battle thing......and because people do complain about incorrect votes, that should already help the issue about 'rushing the vote'.....but, seriously someone need to move the closed battles.....

the exempt thing sounds like a good idea...it might be easier code-wise to make people with less than 2 or so battles exempt rather than a time limit...I'm not sure...

1 link might work but I dont know if that would be enough to close the battles quickly...if i knew how many battles went up in the average day i could figure it out mathematically...

figure that the average battle needs between 5 and 9 votes to close for an average of 7...

with the 2 vote system each new battle would generate 4 votes...
with the 1 vote system each new battle would generate 2 votes...

So you figure you make up the difference with additional votes from people who vote for money or just because they want to...you need between 3 and 5 additional votes per battle to close...

Id have to know how many average votes there are per day to figure out which way is better...because youd need to close battles quickly without closing them so quickly that there are none left to vote on...its an interesting math problem...Id really need the figures to find out which way is better...if you can ballpark those it shouldnt be too hard to figure out....it would be...

x= average number of current new battles per day
y= average number of current votes per day

((y/x)+4)-7
((y/x)+2)-7

whichever one is closest to 0 without becoming negative is your winner...

Yeah you did, right now you dont have to have any votes in order to battle.. and thats what i was saying, you cant battle until you have 20 posts, so u cant be active battling at all without 20 posts if we did it your way.. which encouranges people to just post in lyricist lounge and shit.. actually.. it REQUIRES it.. ya feel me now?

Strobe commented on this and corrected you earlier, but I'm just clearing it up for ya.

^this problem has aready been adressed^

On 11/17, there were 48 votes.
On 11/16, there were 64 votes.
On 11/15, there were 45 votes.
On 11/14, there were 48 votes.
On 11/13, there were 41 votes.
On 11/12, there were 56 votes.
On 11/11, there were 60 votes.

well, this is a good idea and from what Strobe has just pointed out, we're averagin between 40-60 votes a day. that could get possibly.. 6 battles closed. for 60 votes that is. Blah. thats ok i guess. but that could be soo much higher. my predictions are. If you carry out this plan. the voting plan should raise over one hundred

conclusion:
i say you try schema's idea for about a week, and in a week come back to this thread and post up the updated Poll Statistics. And Look at the differences then conclude from there.

Considering the amount of actively open battles and the amount of active members on this site...the above vote count is abismal...enforce the new rule strobe...and like Kontro said...the average will escalate

I did the calculations but I closed the window before i saved accidently

assuming every vote is unique (nobody battles twice in a week)...the 2 votes will be enough to close most battles in 1-2 days...1 vote puts us short of that in the 3-4 range...Im looking at the list now to see how many repeat battlers we have and ill be back with more accurate figures.

well if the people who come online once a day voted twice.... these numbers could be up in the 300's

Battles
118 current new battles/week
23% of battles close before voting begins (decline or time-out)
91 voteable battles/week
120 current unique battlers/week

Votes

637 current unique votes/ week are needed to close each battle on the day that it opens

2 Vote/Battler System
240 new projected unique votes/week
+362 current unique votes/week
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602 projected unique votes/week


1 Vote/Battler System
120 new projected unique votes/week
+362 current unique votes/week
_______________________________
482 projected unique votes/week

We are looking at a huge voting spike with this plan implemented...these figures (although only projections) really speak for themselves...even if they are far too optimistic we are still looking at all battles being closed within (at the latest) 3 days. I spent A LOT of time making these as accurate as possible based on our current model though so they should be pretty close to actual results.

There will probably be a small drop in the number of people that vote just for voting's sake...(the current number)...but it wont be enough of a dip to make this plan a bad plan...Id say every new battle closed in 3 days is a very reasonable expectation.

im loving this idea....im frustrated with the voting right now....2 of my battles have been up for weeks..and one of them doesnt even have 1 vote......we need to try this plan out for atleast a few weeks or so just to see what happens

how to completely eliminate duplicate/bullshit votes...

breakthrough: forget about the text boxes...leave the battle credits system...you get one credit per vote and you need 2 credits to open a battle...BUT your credits reset at the end of each week...same effect but smarter and easier...

^^^^I gotta say....this schema guy is pretty smart

has strobe seen this idea yet?

So make the credits required to start a battle be 2 and have them reset each week? That'd be easier to code. Anyone else for this?

I got too many credits i got like 130+ and that would be even doper because people who are too lazy to vote get no credits and are like...oh you set it up i got no credits...so would it be possible to open a battle...BOTH competitors had 2 credits it would effectively cost 4 credits but it would encourage lazy members to vote if they want to battle...

yeah this is a good point i didnt think about this...youd have to make it free to set up the battle and 2 credits to accept the battle...that way its fair both ways...

Nice idea...ya know what we should do though...stop talkin about this and actually DO THIS

ill ideas in this thread.........I do think we should up the post count to vote though

Schema . . That's fucking brilliant who ever said that, Free to make the battle (If strobe can do this) & Both of you need 2 credits to check in your battle.
And after you vote you get 1 credit or 2 . .
& It's RESTED everyweek . . To make sure votes come in . . I'm sure you will see great progress straight away.
^
= The Answer.
& Strobe says it's easy code this . . But i'm not sure about the free to make a battle and BOTH of you need 2 credits.