Why?
 

they deny God because the people are impatient and want to see proof of his existance...

^^^wtf/.....exactly...so why ya sayin I was wrong?

And you reported me in my battle with textcee bob didn't you,....& got me dq'd. too?

i aint religious...purely because there is no proof of gods exsistence....i aint sayin he doesnt exsist...but i cnt be religious and say YES..i really believe in him...because i would be lying...but meh..who cares...its up to the individual what they believe...

The Way You Put It Seemed Off...
They're Very Pacient, Thats Why They Deny Him...
They Are Giving Him The Time To Prove Himself...
Impacients Would BRING You To God...
Because Thats A Quick Answer To Alot Of Problems...
*Shrugs* Whatever Though...

And A Side Note For You...
I Dont Vote In Battles Cuz They're Fake...

And I Wouldnt Waste My Time PMing Strobe About Other People Problems...
None Of You Mean That Much To Me, Sorry...

And If You Want To Talk To Me PM Me...
Please Dont Freepost In Threads About It...
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Im in the mood for a bit of debating...

Try to make me believe in the christian God...

Just so you know, I dont not believe in the existence of a God, but i'm not a christian.

Denyed truth....... im ridin wit you on this one sista........

if theres any way i can help you on this debate ......... pm let me know ...........

i can flip through the scriptures to help you out....... shed light on the darkness one time wit ya.........

keep doin ya thing lady

'respect'

I dont believe there is.

For example, god would not let a young innocent teen die and let a peadophile live.

And i wonthear any of that "He does evrithin for a reason" bullshit.

havn't you seen constantine, that is that way it is.

Na i havent....

but how can you say your god (christian, im assuming) is the one and only, when there are like thousands of other religions that say other wise.....you can't force or sway decisions of people because of what you think, thats called a dictatorship....lol, its all in your belief

well this is how i feel about this, i believe there is god out there, but my views are alot different and less defined, as you will.....basically what i try and do, is just be a good person, living by your own rules, word.

watch it, its dope.

first of all y da fuck do ppl keep talkin vgod n tryna make ppl beleive??? its upto da person wat dey wanna do... secondly i dont come from a relegious background... i dont beleive simply cos if vgod existed and god did so much good for people in need.. y does stuff contantly go bad for me???

I will^.

and to truth,

do you really think if theres a god only people who pray and believe will go to heaven, well thats pathetic...what if somebody was born on a desert island with no understanding of religion, never even heard of it.... does that mean theyre going to hell?

nah ...........................


i'll be back to retort wit wisdome........


brb

ok maybe this will help you guys

God has plans for everyone..plans that he made even before you were born..it says so in the Bible..if you look in Jeremiah you will see it..now sometimes..we like to say.."hey this is my life. let me do what i want to do."..when we act like that..we change the outcome of our lives..God has plans for you..its just up to you to take your hands off the driving wheel and let God direct you in the right path..


if you dont get it let me know and i'll help you understand

i don't believe in a god
read my thoughts on the matter here:
http://community.rapverse.com/showp...91&postcount=74

theres no proof any1 couldve written the bible

http://community.rapverse.com/showthread.php?t=201255
^^denied truth, please read this
if u are online often (at least once every 3 days) and u are up for it, i could set up a debate (details in link above) thread on this issue- u arguing for the existence of a god, me against it. if ur up for it, pm me and i'll set up the thread and post the rules
u seem to take the issue seriously, and i have a lot of thoughts on it, and it would be a good way to promote my idea, so why not :thumbup:

Different religions are kind of like different points of view...

If a guy is in a car crash and barely survives..
A Christian would say it was a miracle and God saved him..
An Athiest would just shrug it off..

Christians believe that God fine-tuned the universe and the earth so we could live here.. Its a fact that even small changes in temperature levels or gas amounts would make the earth unable to sustain life...
But others could say the Earth just so happened to be suited for life and a coincidence created us because the conditions were right...

Life isnt all that complicated. You just need a few gases, some water, and an electric shock and it creates amino acids which make up proteins which are the building blocks of life... Scientists have done it. Its easy...

I really don't get how christians can believe so wholeheartedly in their religion. It doesnt even make sense compared to other religions..

Christianity:
- Started more than 2000 years ago.
- To get to heaven you have to believe in Jesus.
- God's son is God and also a spirit, they are all seperate entities but are the same entity.
- As long as you believe in him, God forgives you for your sins.
- All bad thoughts, bad actions, and bad occurances are caused by the devil. (if you dont believe me, look it up.)
- God is vengeful and his wrath is unmatchable. He killed everyone in the world with a flood because they didnt live how he wanted.
- God loves every living thing and his grace is so immense it cannot even be imagined, he lets us live how we want.
(???.... riiiiigghht...)

Buddhism:
- Technically a branch of hinduism, which is older than christianity.
- Our personality or soul/self, does not exist. Our persona is a collection of thoughts and feelings which creates an illusion of personality.
- The aim of life is not to be happy it is to be content.
- All suffering is caused by wanting useless things. If you dont want to be happy, you wont be sad that you arent happy. If you dont want a really expensive car, you wont be pissed off cos you cant have it. If you are happy and you want to stay happy, you will be sad because you know you cant stay happy forever. So the key is to not want anything.
- Life is full of suffering, and bliss is obtained by getting out of the cycle of life.
- To get out of the cycle of life you have to live correctly and realise the truth.

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Personally, i'd rather be a buddhist and live at peace. I'm not a buddhist though, or a christian....

But can a christian PLEASE explain to me what made you believe?

I believe in God because of what I experienced at a church camp recently. I think that until you actually experience it, you will question Christianity forever. I used to question God all the time. But once I left that camp, my views have changed a lot. I know this may not seem like much to you. But I think until you experience it, you will never understand it.

if u didnt believe in god before, why were u at a church camp?

see, now i dont like that statement.....because all your basing your whole faith off of, is what someone else heard, from someone else......going down eons, nah mean?

like, what if back in the day, someone just sat down one day, and made all this up, i know i know, you're gunna come at me with "you just gotta believe"....well thats all opinion you're basing decisions off of now, not faith........so basically, when you think about it, religion is all personal choice, there shouldn't be a right or wrong.....there shouldn't be anything manipulating our brains and manifesting the way we percieve the world

but basically, how i like to think is......live your own life, believe in what you want to believe....but don't have regrets

i believe there is a god, and that there might be a heaven, for when i die, i can continue to live happily....but worrying about that shit now will only strain you from what you can accomplish with your life, may even hold you back from your true potential....whatever, this is a never ending argument, one of the many in the world.....

keep up to those have their own opinions, word.



lets us live how we want, yet we have people changing their whole lives, abandoning previous dreams and ambitions, all for him, not even having sound proof he even truly exists......right, thats letting people live for themselves, lmlo!

word to OMB

and to reflekt....i've experienced god, been to bible camps and shit, but you gotta experience the rest of the world too, like, seriously, i've seen christianity used for a lot of people just as an escape from their previous lives, because it was so hard, so they turn to the bible and its followers, because "there are no hardships when you walk with god".....:rolleyes:

word, keep up.

someone invited me there. so i figured i'd go to see why they so strongly believe in God

and what exactly happened there to make you believe?

im still callin out denied truth, he can read my 2nd post on page 2 if he missed my offer

drakel's post owned.

No one has replied to mine yet... I need a rebutel -_-

Your rebuttal as requested.



I dont classify myself as one religion over all. But Christianity basically comes from Judaism, however Christians believe the mesiah has already come 2000 years ago (Jesus Christ). That is the the basis of their belief. The bible is not 100% Christian though, so the story of Noah your referencing to is also recognised in Judaism from which Christianity is a sect of and all other religions that use the bible as their ..instructions manual if you will. Btw, I think youll find that god erased all life on earth because they became dissident and started turning against him, sort of like a devine retrobution. Christians believe in their religion though, because it gives them hope for salvation, it gives people a purpose in life as with all religions and in a time like the one were facing now, thats exactly what people need..

What really bugs me out though, is that the more I read into religions, the more similaritys I start to find. My currant belief is that all religion is a different translation of the same thing given to man in different ways to suit the different cultures, languages and types of followers. Therefore religious traditions and ideals are mostly irrelevant to me. If you look at Hinduism, they have 3 gods, one all powerful god (Brahman), and two lesser gods (if gods is what you choose to call them). I believe that in terms you would understand, Brahman is god, Vishnu would represent the holy spirit as it is the force that keeps the world going, and Shiva represents, in a way, Satan because Shiva is the destruction of man kind. I think when it all comes down to it, all religions have truth behind them and their followers are usually adamant that their religion is the real one. But in no bible, Quran or any other religious text, does it reference another religion by name and say not to believe it.

But anyway, I answered your question in the first paragraph more or less so I'm not gonna keep babbling on about shit.. One last thing though relating to your creation question right at the top of your post, whos to say god didnt place the first cells in a pool of water as seeds that would eventually grow into larger organisms, who was there to be able to prove me wrong when I say, Adam and Eve could very well have been apes...........? Theres explenations for everything if your not too ignorant to see it.

BTW..........get on msn more regularily fool... We got tracks to make..

I think religion, more or less christianity was created for the frightened people who needed to believe in something, and if you really study it, most of the claims are contradicting and do not make sense, however, i am not starting beef,i am just stating an opinion. And i agree with what OMB stated, and i don't agree in the concept of following a religion to find purpose, our purposes, i would hope, are our everyday choices we make, our mistakes, actions and feelings...as individuals..not being robots to some "guy" in the sky, just another ploy to make us afraid to be truly US.

obviously, you stole my point of view cos I said that in another religion thread but I used different examples and stuff... :thumbup:

I hardly get the time to go on the computer down here.. let alone go on MSN.. -_-

But anyway, what I really hate is religious people with no reason to be religious. I see them as mindless drones. Fair enough if you've studied the bible or the quaran or the vidas and you REALLY think its true... But half of the christians out there just have christian parents who tell them its right, or made up their minds about it based on some crap. Never picked up a bible except in sunday school. But still they believe everything some preacher feeds into their ears.. And they're the kind of guys who try to convert people. Like, the school where I work is a christian school and i'm not a christian.. niether are most of the students, but I get these kids trying to convince me christianity is the right way to go. They don't know shit about their religion or the document their religion is derived from and theyre trying to convert people. Its like if you go to school and some guy says to you "oh, a terrorist shot the president and blew up the whitehouse" and he spreads it around. Stupid people believe him without seeing it on the news or whatevever, skeptical guys don't believe it cos they havent seen it, and it all dies down around lunch time. Thats what religion is like in a way...

I don't not believe in a kind of God or a spiritual side to life... Religions are just so varied and full of nonsense.

Stole your point of view? Nope.. Thats my own opinions..
But dude, everyone has a reason to be religious.. But I agree with you though, I hate fuckwhits who think they have a right to argue about religion when they havnt even looked past the one they follow. But the world is full of dense people who pretend they arnt, thats the reason most religion sounds so full of nonsense to you. Try and change it.

Not most religion... Just some.

What ones are you into?