How to get "Known".
 

This post will adress how to get known by record labels. There's really only two ways:

1: Someone from a label hearing some of your work dry with no reccomendation.
2: Someone from a label hearing about you via word of mouth reccomendation and looking into you.

Either are equally as easy/hard as the other but I'll discuss em both anyway.

• Getting a label your work from dry: Lets say I wake up one day and say "yo Dooms, you know wht you should do yo? Go to XYZ record label's office and drop em a CD"! This is essentialyl the same as mailing one in or anything of the sort. The CD gets to em and who ever you visualize listening to it (like diddy or Jay or who ever else you fantasize about) will never hear it. It'll get listened to by one of many screeners who listen to it to make sure you atleast rap on beat and speak english and if you sound like you're speaking through a vocal transformer or any other dysfunctional shit liek that. They also listen to if it's catchy or inteesting. These people are called "Talent Scouts" and can sometimes be a regular-ass A/R with no clients, but in any case, if it passes, that'll get passed on to the next guy up who's an A/R. He just listens for two things: 1: if he can work with you, your sound, and what he percieves you may be like as a person and 2: if any of that will make you "marketable" meaning if people will swarm out to buy anything you're on to the point that the company makes money off of you. that A/R will pass it on to some senior exec or a financing manager and so on for their second opinion to see if they think it'd be worth investing in you. If they're feeling strongly that they can make the company's investment in your sound profitable, they'll make the effort to contact you for you to sit down and talk to them. You go in, tlak to them, and they read a lot from the things you do besides the msic you make, they listen to your attitide, willingness to cooperate, how much bullshit you'll take, etc. Maybe they like your overall attitude but on closer examination they don't liek your music. And it's not that it's not entertainng, its that they dont' see thta peopel will go apeshit over it or otherwise get that investment returned and multiplied. From there they'll decide if they need to see you again for what ever reason that'll essentially boil down to them making the same decision of "Are they worth it". These guys have all sorts of formulae and past experience and sales and marketing research to determine how they'd need to market you and if you'd be sellable like that so don't think it's all just "luck". This stuff is calculated out to the last cent before you even come in the office. If you come in the office. The upside to this is that you dont' spend 1/10th the time in whoring yourself around to clubs and gigs. The downside is that your CD on't goes as far as what label you send it to. No other labels hear it.

• Getting a label your work through word of mouth: Lets say I woke up this morning and said "Dooms, know what you should do yo? You Should enter every battle competition at every club you can get yourself to and enter freestyle cypher you can and really set shit on fire." I'd go ge what ever info I needed to get on theclub's battle roster and go walk into street cyphs and so on in the hopes that someoen in either crowd happens to be either in the know, or a talent scout(s) for XYZ label(s). These scouts will reccomend you to the exact same A/R mentioned in the prior scenario, just thta now they'll do it with strength and conviction like "yo, this guy dooms...he's nice. The crowd responds to him and he's nice live." The A/R takes all this into consideration when he listens to your stuff now. The process of "marketable" (which just means that they'll invest money and see that amount plus far more come back IN as a result of promoting you) or not marketable is the exact same. This is where things liek radio play, CD's sold underground, shows done, etc., already give the A/R's a relatiev forecast of whta kind of crowd you bring and what you'll move. The upside to this is that multiple labels can hear your work at once time. The downside is that it can take far longer to get heard in the necessary chanels that would bring this level of credibility. Typically, your introductory contract to the company will be higher as a result of public history and "buzz".


Both methods can get you the same place and both are "getting known". Notice that one method was not listed here and that's the net. The net is completel ignored by the industry for a very good reason. Anyone with any kind of set-up and any level of scincere interest can record a track and contacting the owner of that track (if needed can often be quite difficult. The screening process in the delivery of the CD and the performing method is the natural screening process. There's far less 'garbage music' in the office since the percentage of people with lackluster work will already pull out and decide to not mail in or perform anything and makes screening the aplicants far easier and faster. Stuff like photocopy paper'd CD covers and things like that are near guarantees that your CD will end up in the garbage. There's no natural screenign process liek this on the net. Any person goign through a phase of "fuckin around with rap" can record tracks on their computers and post it on the net, get people excited (who could just be that very same person on multiple names sweating themselves) and not be able to generate anything at the end of the day. Record companies cant' stand that thought, so the net is completely ignored by talent scouts at major labels. Additinally, if you come ot them, they know that you're willing to get reamed a little easier for them, where as if they com ot you, you feel as though you're in control and it'll be harder to work you. The only possible exposure that can come from the net is the word of mouth type and that's not the same caliber of the live performance word of mouth since no one EVER gets into convos abotu up and coming rappers and someone blurts out "yeah..that guys nice but you know of this cat in the internet?".

I hope this helped put things in perspective to someone somewhere.


- Dooms.

Cool.. good looking out playa.

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thanx dawg nice to see bt there aint that may gigs and shit in England!!!:( i wont make it anyways!!!

uhh..alright. Thanks for the umm..beneficial and informative post.

Who's making Doomsday known? Oh wait this is more of a question for: Doomsday.

What's your credentials? Are you signed? Are you an A/R?

Just wanted to know if this is an "opinion's thread"... You failed to mention that in the first post.

ahahahahah

CHEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What's my credentals? I'm one of 3 owners of a record label. A record label that's buying into two clubs and a production company as well as already owning a management company with REAL lawyers.

Are you signed? Yes. With a real legally binding contract drafted by a real lawyer.
Are you an A/R? Yes. Way more artist than A/R, but I also do A/R work. Ask the two new producers signed to The Rush or J-Bridge.

And this is not an opinions thread seeing as there's no validation of anyones work here at all. This is a documentation of the process of getting recognized by a label and is filled with facts and actual company protocal. It's not my "opinion" of how these things are reviewed, it's actually how they're reviewed. Ive sat in more record label offices than I'd ever care to mention.

sitting in a real EXECS office doesn't make u an expert...the flunky who runs and gets the coffee probably has spent more time in their "office" than you.

you spend more time on the i-net than Diddy Does...or Jay Z

why?..cuz they are REAL Execs

u are a know-it-all who KNOW one KNOWS...LIKES...or even gives a damn a bout

'cept maybe dat WHORE u call a mother


daz all I have to say


yea...I don't like u...why? cuz ur a piece of SPIT!

What's the name of your record label and congrats on a lawyer. *Claps* my mother owns her own beauty salon and has a real lawyer for it... yes, a REAL lawyer.

What label?

Broke-&-All-Alone Records???

if you clowns really have legit questions go make a new thread and ask em. dont' derail this one.

if you clowns really have legit questions go make a new thread and ask em. dont' derail this one.

good post dooms...


but what's will all the hate from these bitches?^^^ :stupid:

if you clowns really have legit questions go make a new thread and ask em. dont' derail this one.

mysery loves company man. someone aint' getting nowhere and they want to hold you down as well.

i asked you legit questions, Doomsday. You basically saying "None". To my question of what is the record label?

[Oh, I know this part sounds familiar.] But, okay well Let's Hope This Helps People that post in the future.

Don't try so hard to clown me in my thread and turn around and get clowned in your own.

:sigh: actually no, I answered your question here: http://community.rapverse.com/showthread.php?t=204947 before you even asked it. Reading is fundamental.

Now you're trying to turn this into a Doomsday interview. If you want to ask questions, go head. Just don't do it here in a completely irrelevant post. Go make a new post and I'll answer em. Why wouldn't I, seeing as I already did? smhh.....

:sigh: why would I look for that thread for an answer I asked in here? I should be telling you reading is fundamental. Yeah, ok.

yes I do think he got...well, um...CLOWNED.

:laugh2:

buahahahahahahha

known my ass

So you're basically saying "My ignorance is your fault, Doomsday"!! Good job. Your ignorance isn't my fault and it isn't your solution, it's your problem. And once again...reading is fundamental.

of course you do. you're on what ever bandwagon is against Doomsday. And of course LV is on the nuts because LF is and them two closet lesbos are connected at the clit so that's no surprise either, lol.

Any more dumb-ass questions that I already answered?

LOL @ thinking you clowned me... nigga you don't realize that at the end of your post you said the EXACT same thing I said in my original post for the thread. It was MY OPINION look a few sentences down and you will see that word. And I didn't even edit my post. So owning me in that thread was a failed attempt. I chose not to argue with you there because that was a real immature way to come in a thread and you think you right so keep thinking that way. But now I come at you, you want to be like "You clowns can stop, blah blah." Man whatever. I'm done.

aiyo...who would take Dooms serious?

THink about it...

I was being impatient in a thread and Tito replied, "Q, bear with us on this one"


So, Dooms IM's me and says, "I think Tito is closeted because he called you his QBEAR"

^^uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...DUH


And this is the man y'all wanna follow into the sunset?


lol

Hell no. :thefinger

umm..where the hell did I say any of this is an opinion? Maybe those reading skilsl I just asked you about are worse than I thought. This is what I REALLY said:
"And this is not an opinions thread seeing as there's no validation of anyones work here at all. This is a documentation of the process of getting recognized by a label and is filled with facts and actual company protocal. It's not my "opinion" of how these things are reviewed, it's actually how they're reviewed."

Where anywhere in that are we saying the same thing? Your thread = ALL opinions and you're teling people shit liek its' facts. This thread contains no opinon of mine what so ever. Your thread evaluates peoples songs, mine dosen't evaluate jack shit, soo...why do you feel the need to compete with me? Who give a shit? lol, do you value your net fame so much?? Wow.

But it's pretty smooth how you drop the topic once you relized that everything you asked I already answered. Good job at the three of you for making asses of our selves, LOL. But yeah...once again, if you have and actual question, feel free to make a thread about it and ask me what ever. I'll answer it.

Umm...no. I said it looks like he said "Q Bear wid us" as if he signed you up for something and it STILL looks that way. That's the great thing about tone of voice on the internet.

But what's any of that have to do with the topic of this thread? You, as always, are spewing hate. That and turds striped with busted condoms. Word to that LOL

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listening to your tracks again?

Uhm no.. I was referring to MY THREAD. I would think you know the difference. My original post = the creation of that thread. NOT this one.

I swear you act very dumb for one that thinks they know a lot...

I KNOW MY THREAD IS OPINIONATED. IT SAYS SO IN THE FIRST POST. WTF about that do you not get?!

The word OPINION is written clearly on the first post (in MY THREAD).. Sorry I have to stress this because you keep tryna elaborate things I did NOT say. Now go to my thread and tell me you don't see what I originally said or that you didn't read my post out of ignorance. Just a reminder I'm still talkin bout my (that, not this) thread. Now go on.

EXACTLY...U made it known that it was ur OPINION...which is what critique is


Dooms makes a thread about "how to get known" and he's not even known...

something is terribly wrong with this picture

like I said...follow this "mans" advice

u'll be exactly where he is...on a fuckin rap site redirecting other people back to a fuckin rap site


Nuff said

I'm going to bed

Man WTF do you not understand?? you said

You said your thread was an opinion, I said mine is not. You asked me the same questions I asked you and I ripped your whole argument by posting my ACTUAL credentials - which by your own admission you had none of. WTF do you see is the same as that?? YOUR ATTEMPT TO "OWN" ME BACKFIRED ON YOU. Learn to fuckin read you ignorant clown, lol. You already "owned" yourself by even asking those questions and cause your flying monkies The Q and LV to own themselves in the process, lol. Like I keep on telling your selective-reading ass, if you wanna ask more dumb-ass questons, go create a new thread and ask em in there, but you're not dumb enough to go make a public fool of your self in your own thread LOL. This is way too easy.

I'm convinced that explaining anything logical to you is liek explaining color to a blind man. I alerady have what I need to get what I want, sooo..who's Q? lol. I dedicate my time to see if I can help someone get the deal they're looking for using facts about inner industry info and you come in and do everything possible to shut that down. Simply said man, "what a true motherfuckin faggot".

I swear you dumb... You concentrating on tryna "clown" me right now.. You sounding retarded. You start talking bout posts in this thread when I was referring to MY thread.. You telling me my thread was opinions when I said IT WAS.. That's ALL I SAID. And that's where you tried to clown me in my thread. Your final post (in that thread) say OH, Okay this is merely a Opinion's thread when I SAID THAT in the first place... So you clowning me = not happening. Stfu. Wait I'mma let you get the last word, so you can feel you right. Go ahead.

Aight, coo thanks dooms for the blatantly obvious facts. :thumbup: (didn't really know this)

:sigh: alright LF, I'll pretend I don't know what you're saying and I'll break it down real slow for your own purposes. You...LF...came into this thread and asked me the identical questions I asked you in your thread pertaining to you listeniing to people's tracks and reviewing them. Now it backfired on you....LF...when you asked them since I A: already answered them before you asked them and B: postd the info in some place that you had a creative excuse for not reading and C: actually had actual credentials to make people actually think your opinion is at all "informed". I asked you those questions because you act as if your opinion is either A: accurate or B: knowledgable when there's no reason at all to believe that it's either. And the funny shit is that you..LF...went through all that trouble just to come back in my thread here that's completely irrelevant of me making any opinion on anyone of anything - just to say that You said exactly what I said, that your opinion dosen't matter since you don't know jack fuckin shit? Now THAT'S brilliant.

LF, I honestly don't give two shits or one fuck what happens here or any other board since the net = nada in the "big picture". what I do give a shit about is when some uninformed individual comes across as if they're educated and knowledgable - particularly on a field that I hold dear to me, and give "opinions" as if they're constructive when they actually know nothing. You can end up doing far more harm than good. You've already embarassed your self here numerous times in your assumptions alone, so I ask; is your purpose in this thread here done or do you have some more face you're trying to save?