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Dabatos 09-13-05 07:58 PM
I guess i might get sued if i dont delete my song??? wth?
 
Well yeah, after i replied to them bout takin the song out of myspace they told me to take it out of SC too where i got like 500 downloads :( shyt.. but yeah.. now i have to pay to use it? WTF? shyt.. its funny though cuz hella ppl let me comments n messaged me on mysapce saying "where the hells your song? i loved that song.. where did u put it??" right after i took the song out.. ahhh lol well this is wut he sed :(

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Dabatos,

Thank you for cooperating with us. Also please take the music out of your sound click page. Please read the information that I've attached for you. Because you sampled the whole instrumentation along with InnerVoices' vocals for the chorus, we have to figure out the amount for the license. This is how the music business works. Again, we're not trying to discourage you for using the sample, you just can't use it right now for performances, promotional, etc. Please do some research on how to sample songs. This would be a great tool for you as an artist. Thank you for your time.

Mike T.
Manager


Music Sampling

The court’s analysis is somewhat complex but concludes that no sampling can be made without a license or permission.11 The reason is not because of the copyright to the music composition in the sample, but because of the copyright to the sound recording. The court interprets the copyright statute, 17 USC Section 114, as prohibiting the copying of the whole or any part of a sound recording. The new ruling reasons that you should either pay for a license to sample a song with the original sound recording, or go into the studio yourself and recreate the sample with your own sound recording.

For many hip hop and rap musicians, the point of sampling a song is precisely to copy the sound recording of a well known song to give their song a certain feel or emphasis. The intent is to link their song in this manner to the earlier song in the listener’s mind. Most would not consider trying to reproduce the sound independently because it wouldn’t have the same feel. The Bridgeport Music opinion now clarifies that samples of original recordings must be licensed.

J. Luth 09-13-05 08:06 PM
You'll never quit promotin' that song will you?

Dabatos 09-13-05 08:09 PM
i aint promoting it... jst letting ya know bout it..

Serial 09-13-05 08:14 PM
Fuck it, you probably will make em hate you but you can keep that shit up there.

They jus throwin out random threats hopin you some naive kid that wont know what to do an will jus give in an pay em or stop using the song. You're allowed to use it as long as you dont make profit off of it.

Demos are done all the time with unliscenced beats, they jus get given out as samples but not sold.

Dont let em play you. I mean they would never be able to find out who you are off those sites anyway unless you puttin up your Address on the site.

Dabatos 09-13-05 08:16 PM
hahaha yeah.. but u sure they cant sue me??

New Meth0d 09-13-05 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by It's SPuL!
You'll never quit promotin' that song will you?

lol my thoughts exactly :thumbup: ...

KOOL COL-B 09-13-05 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dabatos
hahaha yeah.. but u sure they cant sue me??


................ not if theyre dead... im just sayin, thas all... u know i got u Dabatos... just say tha werd... werd

Crazy Hades 09-13-05 08:29 PM
Yeah, invite them to lunch to discuss it, and sneak a tylenol into one of their steaks...

Dabatos 09-13-05 08:30 PM
hahahaha.. and no i aint promoting.. i just wanna know if i'll actually get sued... stupid fucks.. i dont need to promote here.. i alrealdy got other ppl that like it.. dont need rv to like that shyt.. damn.. dont be mad cuz i got hurd by the group i sampled ;) lol

Dabatos 09-13-05 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by KOOL COL-B
................ not if theyre dead... im just sayin, thas all... u know i got u Dabatos... just say tha werd... werd


hahahahahahahahah weeeeeerd ;) :cool: lol

~Tony Green~ 09-13-05 08:36 PM
I got a song ft Ciara fuck them niggaz I aitn removing shit and what they gone sue me for I aint got shit

Dabatos 09-13-05 08:37 PM
lol. true.........

Serial 09-13-05 08:39 PM
^Exactly.

They shootin blanks dogg. How they gonna sue someone that dont exist, jus change all your personal info on the site.

Dabatos 09-13-05 08:41 PM
hahaha word.... lol

~Tony Green~ 09-13-05 08:41 PM
Yeah thats a good idea...

Dabatos 09-13-05 08:43 PM
but i seriuosly dont wanna do that... ahhh w/e.. those bitches are gay for tryin to take down someone jst makin music for fun...

Dabatos 09-14-05 11:29 AM
they jst sent me another message saying they gonna sue me? wtf?

ahh this wut they sed..

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No, Dabatos, thank you... because now we're seeking legal actions for plaigarising the group with your last letter as evidence. Here's a smiley face back to you. =)

lol guess i got owned? lol

Indeph 09-14-05 11:31 AM
Sample someone big like jay or somethin. :D That nigga gets pissed alot about samples. Chea, chea publicity. :D

Indeph 09-14-05 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Dabatos
they jst sent me another message saying they gonna sue me? wtf?

ahh this wut they sed..


lol guess i got owned? lol




Yo ass got adopted nigga. [/createsnewphrase]

Mad Dog 09-14-05 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dabatos
they jst sent me another message saying they gonna sue me? wtf?

ahh this wut they sed..

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No, Dabatos, thank you... because now we're seeking legal actions for plaigarising the group with your last letter as evidence. Here's a smiley face back to you. =)


lol guess i got owned? lol


i seriously wouldn't worry about it...one if you haven't dropped personal details I.E address or real name...then they can't mail you a legal letter under your rap name to an address that they don't have...secondly...they can't actually get any money off this stunt they're pulling because they have to PROVE that you are trying to make a profit out of their track which you said you haven't so really all the courts can do is slap ya wrist and say not to do it again coz you didn't have any legal knowledge of the music industries sampling laws...trust it's nothing to worry about send them a fuck you type message back and laugh...

Know-Gimix 09-14-05 12:16 PM
If your not making money off the song, then it doesn't matter how much they bitch, If it were me, I'd put that shit back up on both sites, with a big fuck you.- Who are they going to sue? a screen name.

Zone Out 09-14-05 12:46 PM
wtf
you're not selling the song!!
you're not main a profit, and you're not using it for promotion
fuck them tell them to suck ass
and if they keep botherin you, pm me, I'mma give you the number to my lawyer/manager
he'll do his little research shit, and clear it.
but I KNOW FOR A FACT
They CANT sue you, if you're not sellin it or usin it for promotion.
and if they take you to court, counter sue. Stick it out, trust me, you will end up gettin money AND exposure.
and they will end up lookin stupid

Zone Out 09-14-05 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SevenThird
If your not making money off the song, then it doesn't matter how much they bitch, If it were me, I'd put that shit back up on both sites, with a big fuck you.- Who are they going to sue? a screen name.

WORD TO THIS!
I basically said what he said.

Dabatos 09-14-05 04:45 PM
so for a fact if they sue me they wont win? lol.. tite..

.Ike. 09-14-05 05:05 PM
dude...seriously...put that shit back up on both sites...and on your myspace...make sure you have nothing on there about who you are or where u live......

they cant do shit....unless your selling it....

and yea...i would hope they sued you...counter sue...shit would be dope

Dabatos 09-14-05 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief
Why don't you just make beats?


why dont everyone else make beats?? its boring to do.. not as fun as making songs..

Ysdat 09-14-05 05:39 PM
nothing they can do. leave the track up there.

∆ P E X X 09-14-05 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Dabatos
Well yeah, after i replied to them bout takin the song out of myspace they told me to take it out of SC too where i got like 500 downloads :( shyt.. but yeah.. now i have to pay to use it? WTF? shyt.. its funny though cuz hella ppl let me comments n messaged me on mysapce saying "where the hells your song? i loved that song.. where did u put it??" right after i took the song out.. ahhh lol well this is wut he sed :(


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Originally Posted by Doomsday on 8/16/05
Yo jsut cuz someone gives you free beats dosen't mean the samples are cleared. As a matter of fact, it means the opposite! You go using them and you can EASILY get sued HARD and it definitely aint' uncommon. Let a track with a sampled beat make it to the air (like most of us are aiming to do) or any other media outside of you own CD and you stand a high-ass chance of getting straight up sued hard man.

and later went on to say:


Phen, well that's a big diff. If no one recognizes it or it's some basic ass music, anyone could say they re-generated it (provided they'd need to show proof if they're legally cited) but vocals and shit man, they come down hard on.

And:

There's management and lawyers out there that do the damn thing the way they should and in your best interest and a lot of us operate illegally and don't evne realize it. Ignorance isn't a legal defense so please man, if you're gonna make music, look into the law. Instead of spending that $ on your equip, spend 30 bucks on an entertainment law book. Just my suggestion.


uh huh. ;)

∆ P E X X 09-14-05 09:00 PM
oh yeah BTW, when a company's lawyer in your face, don't get legal advice on a rap board, lol. Consult an attourney.

Dabatos 09-14-05 09:56 PM
but dooms.. wut if i dont put it on the air?? im just leaving it on my myspace.... can i still get sued??.. can u hit me up on aim for this cuz im seriously scared..

aim-Six Five Oe

Dabatos 09-14-05 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Doomsday
oh yeah BTW, when a company's lawyer in your face, don't get legal advice on a rap board, lol. Consult an attourney.


does it cost money to do that??????????

Know-Gimix 09-14-05 11:34 PM
whats to consult?- Have you made a dime off the song? do you intend to?-- as long as your answer is no to both of those questions, they can't do jack shit... They assume you are marketing this song, that your performing it, selling it on a cd- they want a chunk of the cash they assume your making. If your not making money, don't worry about it.

Magic5 09-15-05 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Dabatos
does it cost money to do that??????????


I'm almost positive it would cost money.

Dabatos 09-15-05 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by SevenThird
whats to consult?- Have you made a dime off the song? do you intend to?-- as long as your answer is no to both of those questions, they can't do jack shit... They assume you are marketing this song, that your performing it, selling it on a cd- they want a chunk of the cash they assume your making. If your not making money, don't worry about it.


whew.. hopefully ur right............

Mad Dog 09-15-05 04:13 AM
Solicitors normally do a free consultation...so seek legal advice 1st

∆ P E X X 09-15-05 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dabatos
but dooms.. wut if i dont put it on the air?? im just leaving it on my myspace.... can i still get sued??.. can u hit me up on aim for this cuz im seriously scared..

aim-Six Five Oe



aaahah @ you hatin on me all over the place and now you're trying not to get sued and you ask for my help again. For that, you can kiss my ass, but liek I said:

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Originally Posted by Doomsday
oh yeah BTW, when a company's lawyer in your face, don't get legal advice on a rap board, lol. Consult an attourney.


because you're gonna get sued.

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Originally Posted by Sev
whats to consult?-


The fact that he's gonna get sued for innapropriate use of a vocal sample, loss of income for using said sample without paying for it (therefore, that company's income), misrepresenting a vocal artist (by painting a picture of association of that artist, with him) and etc and so on. What range of time or money or what ever needs to happen for it to be liek that in his state is something that none of us could guess at since we're not entertainment lawyers, but I still say "consult a physician and seek medical help immediately".

Know-Gimix 09-15-05 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dooms
The fact that he's gonna get sued for innapropriate use of a vocal sample, loss of income for using said sample without paying for it (therefore, that company's income), misrepresenting a vocal artist (by painting a picture of association of that artist, with him) and etc and so on. What range of time or money or what ever needs to happen for it to be liek that in his state is something that none of us could guess at since we're not entertainment lawyers, but I still say "consult a physician and seek medical help immediately".



I don't see how you can get sued for lost income, if your not making a dime off it in the first place.- He's not taking money from anyones pockets by making a song in an attempt to elevate. I could see all that shit happening if he made a little mixtape and sold a copy, but its soundclick, thats like getting sued by dre for spittin over a dre beat in your car.

granted, Im sure you know more about this shit than I do, since you actually have a reason to know the legalities, I just don't see the logic in getting sued over a track thats not generating any income.

∆ P E X X 09-15-05 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SevenThird
I don't see how you can get sued for lost income, if your not making a dime off it in the first place.- He's not taking money from anyones pockets by making a song in an attempt to elevate. I could see all that shit happening if he made a little mixtape and sold a copy, but its soundclick, thats like getting sued by dre for spittin over a dre beat in your car.

granted, Im sure you know more about this shit than I do, since you actually have a reason to know the legalities, I just don't see the logic in getting sued over a track thats not generating any income.



nah, the use of an artists voice isn't loss of wages (which would be that someone took money that they otherwise would have made without the interferience), it's loss of income if you don't pay it. Like...ok, I got it, it's liek tihs: This company makes it's money by leasing out copies of their artists' voice. By you not paying them for the thing they do every day causes them to lose income. It's like working for an employer that dosen't pay you, in effect. Just in this case, he dosen't know he's acting as an employer and refuses to pay em. Putting them tracks back up is def gonna get the dogs sicked on him. These guys don't play around man, lol. The fact that they warned him makes any hope for an "I didn't know" legal defence completely disapear. Especialyl seeing that "ignorance isn't a legal defense". Personally, in his shoes, I'd a had a lawyer on the horn this morning.

Dabatos 09-15-05 11:59 PM
wait wtf??? i was hating on you? lmao.. okay? only one i ever hated on is soc and umm, CALI lol

Magic5 09-16-05 12:03 AM
Just call a lawyer, damn.


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