Maybe God should have never created this universe?
 

Bear with me, because this is mostly thought-provoking questions for people to respond to.

OK. First of all, if God is an omniscient, perfect, completely content, divine, eternal being... Why would he create a universe? Hes eternal, its not like he could be bored or something, because time to him isnt like time is for us. There is absolutely no reason why God would create anything, because he is fulfilled.

But if we ignore that, the question arises... Why did God create us the way he did? And if a human creates something, does that mean God created that thing? If God created the Universe and the Universe created humans, to what degree can we say that God created humans.. And if God created humans and humans practice evil, does that mean that God created evil?

You might say he gave us free will and free will means some people will practice evil, but that is opposed by the real point of this thread:

If God is eternal, he knows the past, present and future. And if God is omnipotent he knows everything. So why would God create the universe and humans, if he knew that we would disobey him, hurt him, kill his son, suffer, and practice evil? Its like by creating us, he is making us suffer?

Do you think God is evil for doing that? That was the result of free will. But if God created us as puppets without free will, is that more evil than creating us to suffer?

God didnt create evil, durrr, i mean, he made Satan then satan got booted, and became evil. He WAS an angel, and plus, adam and eve ate from the damn tree, thus creating evil stuff. God booted from the Garden Of Eden, and PLUS, its not his fault we practice evil, he gave us free will, not evil. But the part i dont personally understand, if he is all knowing, the Alpha and Omega, then he would have known that Satan was going to eventually become, well, the devil right? So, i mean, i guess you could say because he didnt want heaven to be an automatic "right".. its a priveledge, show him you can live a good, moral life, and you get rewarded. Or something.

So God did not make evil existent? So how can one become something that does not exist? Or did Lucifer create evil, putting him on the same level as God?

I think arguably lucifer is on the same level as god, just the polar opposite. But i dont get the point of satan, to get as many people in hell as possible before the 2nd coming? cuz after that, isnt earth basically, done, gone with?

And people that arent born yet, like, idk, will people just stop being born? or will people still be born in heaven? or what.. idk, idk, too many questions and no one to ask.

Yeah I get what you mean.

Its like... if a scientist made a robot designed to help people and then it malfunctioned and started being evil... Is that the scientists fault? Of course not, because he had good intentions.

But what im asking with this thread is like... If the scientist made the robot for good, but KNEW it was going to malfuction and be evil, why would he make the robot in the first place?

I know, and i get you on that.. I assume because he knows the world has to end eventually, thus, the Omega, and heaven isnt a given... its a possibility and priveledge, So yeah, i guess its like... yeah. get me?

maybe god is a scientist

But whats his deal. He gave us free will, but he knows exactly what we're gonna do... Why doesnt he just skip all the bullshit, and send the people that were gonna go to heaven, to heaven.

i was to create a universe, and time was not a factor what-so-ever, i'd much rather watch it out then just skip it, you know? even if he knows everything, every detail before he does it, maybe god is just cool and wanted to see it play out....kinda like a real scientist, but i like this thread, good questions

If what the bible says is true, he doesnt need to watch it because hes watched it before, is watching it presently, will watch it later, and knows whats going to happen.

I dont think he knows what each one of us gonna do, thats the whole point of free will, doing what WE want to do.

but if he's done it before, and he's doing it again, that would mean things happen differently, so he keeps seeing what will happen

The bible says that he does.

Thats why christianity is a bit hard to believe. "God" has no limits.

How about God Isn't all knowing.

I mean the only reason we are led to believe he is is through the bible, which is one of the most untrustworthy books around.

Maybe we were created to see what we do with our lives. Maybe our entire purpose in living is for some entity on a higher plane of existance to study how we act, what we do and why we do it.

thats where i start to think, like, i think about an aquarium; how we place these fish in a tank, we give them a support system, water filter so they can maintain breathing, we supply them with everything, and we watch....as they live their lives.....then i start to think about our situation on earth....isn't it a little strange that this planet has been PERFECTLY suited to maintain and hold life? like what if we are just an aquarium in someone else's world...that would be crazy

I think of it like this: Everyone on earth has been influenced by other people and the world. None of us were born with everything we know. So to me, being put in hell for all eternity for what you did doesn't make sense. We are taught this, raised this way. If we go to hell then the people who influenced us to be that way should be punished to right? But even they were influenced. Since God has a son then maybe there is another world? I'm sorry, but believing any religion is hard to me, for one reason only: PEOPLE LIE. Religion has burned so many philosophy books to keep people in order what can you believe? The whole point that everything needs to have a beginning is contradicted with god's existance anyway right? That would be a paradox to every single thing we've learned. God could be a control tool or simply a guess to put our minds at ease.

oh god, here we go with your Angels And Demons type shit. :bored:

I remember when you read that, and repped the shit in your sig for MONTHS.

religion is the biggest cult out there, seriously, but then again, it does help some people to go, but i think its a big joke, just because of yeah, human beings are untrustworthy, and who says the ones before us lived without deception and hate? who was there to live it and back up arguments? all we have is a bunch of books

Its called faith turd-face. You cant seek logical and secular answers for a question that isnt logical or secular.

Ok, so what if right now I said "ayo son, I saw god in the kitchen scramblin eggs". Of course I have no proof to show you. But I said it.. so have faith.

Yep, pretty much my point.

I'd still have it there if coudl find the pics.

but that had nothin to do with Angels And Demons? I was talking about something completely different to everything in the book.

Except the Bible I guess, But I'v always found the whole thing hard to believe.

you had the whole "jesus is a false idol" thing going on, which, i dont think hes an idol. Hes a symbol. Its not like you see people rocking white robes and jesus sandals around town trying to be god.

jesus has been way too commercialized to engulf the world into christianity, meh, i believe in what jesus stood for, not what the churches tell me and tell me to think....watch stigmata, that shit is good

Hes been way to commercial? its the people using his image, lol, its not like hes hanging up billboards of himself advertising car sales.

i didn't say it was jesus' fault, lmlo...i said his image has been commercialized

Maybe Idol was the wrong word then. I said that mainly talking in a bad way about christianity, becuase personally i dont believe Jesus as we know him ever existed.

We know now that Christianity lied to us and tricked us hundreds of years ago. Peasants were told they would go to hell if theydidnt worship god, they paid money into an already extremely wealthy church so that clergy could get richer.

Maybe christianity today is totally about following Jesus, I doubt it, but it might be.

I'm pretty tired so chances are hat doesnt even make sense :/

We know that they tricked us because a fictional book said so? ahh... Gotchhha. Plus, that is mistakes of people, not god. You cant take the decisions of a church and say it was god.

A church is humans. So youre saying you cant take the word of a human to be the word of God (the bible, theologists), and you're also saying you can't trust history books.

I guess its true. But I trust "modern history today" or whatever more than the bible. The bible is probably grossly misstranslated because of lingual barriers, and words are what determine the meaning of something...

We dont know the word of god. Thats what im trying to say. Humans Lied, Christianity lied. If someone in this day and age tells you they'v spoken to god, nobody believes him.

People were gullible. Trying to communicate with God would be the same as Trying to communicate witha dead person.

Yeah I agree. But I understand most christians understanding of it. (assuming christianity is true) Jesus was God, right? So he rocked up to earth to lay down the facts and shit. He was basically the word of God. Now some guys recorded what happened and things he said and lessons he taught, and that is what makes up the bible.. so christians follow the bible.

But what they miss, is that theres many translations of the bible, and probably even the oldest scrolls and shit are copies, albeit bad ones, and theyve been tossed and turned around, translated back and forth, and manipulated... so christians, unless they learn hebrew and study sacred scrolls, are living their lives by a vague, yet well tossed salad-like document.

Not necessarily, and i know what you mean, if you sit down and say "god, uhh, sup?".. hes not gonna say in his booming voice and have lighting come down on you with a "nothing, what about you?" ... Ever heard that god speaks in mysterious ways?

I get what your both saying.

OMB, I thought Jesus was the son of god, not meant to be god. But still, The word of Jesus And thus God is not based on fact if it came from Jesus, its based on the words of a man. Someone who today would more than likely be classified as insane.

But that also makes me think now, in the bible t does say jesus will come back to earth in a 1000 years, or whatever. Maybe it is true, and Jesus can see it all happening again.

But I dont think so. And yeah Hopesfall I get what your saying. Like, people say they see signs and things.

But look at it this way-

A Man sees what he believes is a sign from god. He interprets this as to fulfil his life, he must help the poor, feed the hungry and so on and so forth.
Another Man sees what h also believes is a sign from God, only he interprets it as He should Murder his family because It is their time to go to heaven.

People would only believe that the first man saw a sign from God. But whos to say he's not crazy. That he's helping people based purely on thoughts in his head. Both Men believe what their doing is right. And what God wants.

I dont know. Not sure where i'm going. Its much easier to speak than it is to type.

But think about it.

Well thats a big difference, i believe that god is not evil, thus, it doesnt matter what the men think what they're doing is right. It matters what IS right, and people arent stupid. Feeding the poor, has that ever been seen as an evil thing? or honorable? A trait of god. Murdering your family, is that seen as evil? fuck yeah. That's not a trait of a god. You cant compare those two. And mebbe the first guy is crazy, but you could say that in this case, god speaks through insanity, he was a bad man before when he was sane, then he goes insane and all of a sudden wants to do a bunch of good things because god tells him to. Is that a bad thing?

I'm not saying its a bad thing. I'm saynig what if 'God' Influenced both.
Imagine How twisted the image of god would become if that were true.

I'm sure I recall George Bush Saying that God told him to Invade Iraq or something.

Honestly I can probably say right now mi talking nonsense, cos i'v worked all day and its nearly dawn for some reason, and m still awake.

But yeh, i'll come back to this 2mrw.

Yeah bush did say god told him that. Wouldn't it just be peachy if satan really told him that? And that would trigger the apocolypse or something.

Its not like the image of god is accepted as the same on a major level, and what does that even have to do with anything? the image of god being twisted? its different to every single person. How does that argue anything? People see him differently, that doesnt make the actions right, acceptable, or moral. Just because a crazy guy sees him as evil, telling him to do evil. Doesnt mean that god himself IS evil.

Actually the image of God to all christians is the same, and christians are a majority.

Not for long, muslims.. Lol, and not every single christian sees god as the same you turd.

I would know, i am one.