The Patriot Act
 

I'm just curious..

Doesn't this seem a little bit... COMPLETLY RETARDED?
From day one people have been giving Bush heat about the terrorism shit
being a ploy to take away our rights. Now that he's actually DOING IT, is
anyone else just an itty bitty witty tiny bit pissed the fuck off?


I mean this gives them the right to do ANYTHING they want to us for our
...protection.

If I'm missing something let me know respectfully please.

the government is strippin us of our rights and liberties everyday @ capatol hill... on the real... its scary... but were livin in the last days.... so expect to see a lot more freedom goin down the drain along wit massive Casualties and famine and destruction strewn abroad the Globe... there will never be peace in the middle east... so the patriot act and home land spyin programs are a ruse to strip us of our rights.


Down with Bush and Democracy... Democracy= oil hungry war mongers

the ideal government is one where we dont need a leader... one where there is no Ruler of the land and of the people... one where we are all equal....


live and let live... love , peace and respect your neighbors... thats all...

what in the helll is so hard about that???



-'Bronsky' ...out

That doesn't make sense. Democracy is not made up of one group of people. You could say "Republicans =. . ." or "Democrats =. . ." But, a democracy is not just, one group of people, meaning you can't just say "Democracy =. . ." because that makes zero sense.

ill wait for a few more posts before i explode =/

The fact that most humans are naturally selfish and will take advantage of any situation to benefit themselves.

You're talking about anarchy and only an idiot would think that would actually work. Anarchy would cause complete chaos. With no laws WHAT MAKES YOU THINK that people who aren't financially stable would just stay that way? I know that if I could barely afford to feed my family, I would go to some rich person's house.. shoot them in the face.. and move my family in. And, the worst thing about that is.. I'd be allowed to do that. That also means that somebody could just come up and shoot me in the face and have it all be cool. THAT WOULD NEVER WORK. You can say, "Well, if we all had morals. . ." but what the fuck? You can't just expect everybody is going to sit in a circle and sing Koombieahh. It doesn't work that way.

Anarchy would never work, and that suggestion alones proves your stupidity.

I believe in society everything should be free (no im not sayin this just because i would want this and that etc. no, it would actually work), poor people wouldnt be shooting rich because they wouldnt be jealous/be poor since theyd have everything

everyone would have everything they wanted...now your returning argument might be what about doctors who go to school and work hard to make more money...and my response is thats whats wrong with the world today, doctors go to school and work hard to become doctors for the MONEY, they dont do it to help people nomore...so i figure, if everyone has everything they want, everyone is happy...and now doctors will actually do it to help people and not just for the money like it is now.

and tito thats like communism except without a leader, the idea of everyone being completely equal is good for poor bad for rich, i agree with the idea to an extent that the leader isnt like a dictator though, anarchy is good though...if everything was free...if not then chaos would arise.

That wouldn't work yo. If everyone gets everything they need and nothing different from the next person then NOBODY would give a shit. Put it like this, if suddenly at school they said anyone enrolled automatically got a C average, whether you worked hard or if you just sat in class smoking, do you really think anyone would try? That's exactly why the Soviet Union fell.

This shit is so un-Constitutional. Fuck Bush. Fuck Bush's administration. Fuck the government. Did that cover everybody? Yes, I believe it did.

:laugh: aight... clearly you dont believe that people can be accountable for themselves??? we need people tellin us what to do all the time??? we need laws about murder?? and theft?? are those very values not ingrained and born in every thing that is human??? Do we all not have a conscience... a sense of right and wrong?? We have religion... in what ever form... and that is the very essensce of our being. In regards to comments about lawlessness.. i believe that Homosapiens are capable of exisisting peacefully on this planet.. with out the form of government that exisist today. What i mean by that is... one that enforces penalties for victimless crime... oppress its citizens by allowing Big Business and Big Oil to rape us raw wit no vasoline!! Were being squeezed dry... the poverty line is dissapering where it used to touch middle class..... Theres a HUGE problem wit the way our government is handling things... its supposed to be for the people right??? well is it, when we have homelessness and poverty here at home.... but were fighting a war wit no end in sight???

There needs to be a change... in the way America does things... look at Global warming for example! we refuse to aknowledge its goin on and even exist! Bush said were addicted to oil! why is it ...... that Iceland... could mandate that all cars be run on hydrogen with in the next 7 years... but a country like the US cant????

we need to get back to the basics... if everybody was equal... and shared... and harmonized and were brothers and sisters as we were created to be...
that is the kind of society and world that should exist today.... thats the kind of world we should be living in :thumbup:

FLAWLESS OYD MINDS IN THE MAKING

There is no way in hell that would work. People with jobs that are hard to learn and hard to do would never settle for doing all of that shit only so a guy who drives a streetsweeper every Sunday can get the same benefits. Nobody is going to go to college and extra training or extra school after that so a high school drop out can get everything for free.

You can try and think up this perfect utopia where everyone is happy, but hey.. THAT'S NOW HOW THE WORLD WORKS. That's not how people think, and that's not how people will act. Shit just doesn't work that way. Your suggestion has never happened and will never happen because shit just doesn't work out.

Tito, I'll respond to your heap of bullshit when I get home. Just know that whatever you said would never work because you're views on the world and how it works are illogical and just.. gay.

aand thats why the world is fucked up, duh...we've done it this way for thousands of years and guess what...theres still wars, theres still animosity, theres still racism etc., wouldnt it be smart to try somethin different for once

we should all learn from our community like tito said our brothers and sisters and from everyone we know and learn what we want to learn, instead of forcing people to go to school get a job this and that, everyone has a place theyre given by birth and everyone can learn from each other...in the beginning people will be lazy or watever and have their little fun, but after that dies down people will begin to want to learn again and people will learn what they want to learn instead of being forced shit that dont relate...

capitalism only works for the rich white men...so ofcourse nothings gonna be changed because this country is run and built on rich white men, so nothing will be changed and it will be like this forever, over and over...until russia drops a huge ass bomb on us, we retaliate etc. and billions are dead maybe the world will finally realize we should jus all share shit we got instead of being so power/money hungry over everything...yea we all want that cuz its been programmed in our heads that thats happiness, but if we get to the new generations that we can just live with each other in harmony instead of tryin to kill each other over bullshit then thatll be good for the world...not your bullshit buy/sell all the time...buy/sell type of government is the basis for all the murder, jealousy, and corruption in this country.

no i just dont believe that intelect/education should equal a persons social and econic standin in the world. you believe that there should be rich and poor and have no sympathy for the have nots. you see in this world.. the only way you ever get to have is by bein born into it... or finding a 4 leaf clover. If you are born into middle class your that for the rest of your life.. same for the poor in this country... granted... if your lucky... and can get help.. to pull you up out of the grips of poverty your one in a million privileged few. How is... raisng the minium wage to a livialbe sallary illogical?? Guareenteed health benifits and coverage for all american citizens. .. Illogical again?? Afforadle collage tution... because as it stands now... its just tooo damn exspensive to get a degree... and only if you come from money or are lucky... or want to be in debt for 10+ years can you afford it.. Im talkin about equal opportunity for all Americans from all walks of life.... the current system discrimnates against the poor and minority groups.


TELL ME IM WRONG RICE DICK!

^Hell tell you your wrong and say minorities get the same treatment as whites :bored: but oh well =/

And as he opens his mouth lets all get our dicks wet..!!!!! cuz this cat dont know what the Hell he's talkin bout anyway...


if your a minority... you know the truth...


if your hip hop... you know the truth...


nuff said

Compose, they did try your plan, and it didn't work.

It's called communism. =/

Alright, I'll break this peice of shit down by peices so you may actually figure out that you're way won't work..



I don't think that some people can be accountable for themselves, no. There are people with mental disorders; there are some people who's brains don't "work" the same way that most of modern society's does. I also think that when people get desperate they can't account for themselves.

The government isn't necessarily telling everybody what to do.. they regulate shit, sure.. but it's not like they're saying, "If you aren't here at this time, then you're getting shot in the face. If you don't work for this many hours, you're getting deported." They tell you not to kill other people, and if you do, we all know what the consquences are. And yes, we need laws for murder and theft. If I got told that theft wasn't necessarily okay, but there'd be no punishment for doing it.. shit, I'd go steal some shit from a museum or something and resell them. Allowing people to do whatever they want would never work, because people are naturally not necessarily greedy.. but if the possibility is there, are always striving for something better. If I saw somebody who's net worth is coming in at a few billion dollars, and I was struggling to make 30 grand a year, I would steal their shit.. I would consider killing them just so my family would do fine. It's not because I'm a cold blooded murderer, it's because I could upgrade my status by something with zero consquences involved. Laws are essential to keep the majority of people in line.

And no, we all don't have it ingrained that killing is wrong. And, while we all may have a conscience, people's views on what's right and wrong is veried. 100 years ago nobody had a problem with enslaving Africans. Is that wrong? By today's standards, yes.. but with your theory, there is no reason why slavery happened at all because everybody already knew what was wrong and right and decided to act upon it. Everything I just said makes zero sense because it's a load of bullshit. What's ingrained as "right and wrong" depends on the trends of the time.. not just as a basic "Community service is good, killing is bad" type of shit.

Also, if anarchy took over what do you think would happen with the people already in jail? What do you think would happen with the people who were on death row for 20 years? You think they'd just assimilate back into society with no question asked? Yeah, I wouldn't bet on it. I'd bet on them shooting some faces. Also, what do you think would happen with organizations like the KKK? You think they'd just say "Well, it's wrong to dislike black people, so now we can all just chill." Yeah, I wouldn't bet on that either. I'd bet on a lot of race wars taking place over the country. I'd bet on a lot of wars between rich and poor. I'd bet on crime rates going up. I'd bet on complete chaos.

Only a fucking dumbass would think that shit would actually work.



Religion has SO MANY intrepretations this statement doesn't add anything to your arguement. Overseas some extreme fuckers think that blowing themselves up for their God is what's expected. Is that right? To them, yes. To us, no. Once again deeming your "We all know what's right and wrong" statement as bullshit, as people believe different things.

Overall, I'm not going to even respond to the rest of that shit. It is so obvious that you really have no idea what the hell you're saying. "Well, we all know what's right and wrong. And, plus.. we all have religion." ..Cool. Anarchy would never work, though. Seriously. If you really think it would.. you should read some books or something. Anarchy = complete chaos.

WHAT THE FUCK are you talking about? Uhh.. for one, he is wrong. LMFAO @ you dumbasses actually thinking anarchy would work. Wow. But, I didn't read his shit after when I stopped replying so I don't really know if he was talking about minorities or not. And, the same treatment as whites is a broad statement in itself, so it's kind of pointless to respond to that alone.

LMAO. What? If you're a minority you know that anarchy would work? Are you fucking retarded? But, LMFAO @ saying I don't know what I'm talking about. Dude, if anarchy EVER took over in this country I would shoot you in the fucking face with a smile plastered over mine. I know I'm not the only one who's capable of killing in this country.. I know that if all laws were abolished the crime rates would go insanely high. I just can't bring myself to believe that you seriously think anarchy would work. I figured out in 8th grade that anarchy wouldn't work and you're like what.. over 20? Fucking pathetic.

But, considering this utopia, anarchy shit has nothing to do with the Patriot Act.. I'll drop my two cents on that too. I really don't have a problem with it. Some people say this is going to be World War 3, but right now the Muslims don't have the weapons necessary to inflict that much damage on anybody. During war time people get a little paranoid. But, how many attacks on U.S. soil have there been after 9/11? 0. How many people have claimed that the Patriot Act has ruined there lives? 0. Personally, I could really give a shit less if the government is listening to phone conversations from Middle Easterners who are talking to known to terrorists and shit. Whatever. During war time the government clamps down on the rights of certain groups of people. Like, in World War 2 the Japanese Americans got sent to the those interment camps. People get a little paranoid. When we have most of our guys out of Iraq and the middle east, then you can bitch about the Patriot Act, as it wouldn't really apply to anything if we were no longer fighting the war. But, right now we are.. and if I don't have anything to hide.. if I'm not talking with known terrorists over the phone, then why the fuck should I give a damn?

You stupid liberal faggots can be all, "Well, the people's rights!" It's war time queer bags, you can bitch about this shit if it's still up when nothing is happening.

Explain to me what the fuck the Patriot Act is. It basically gives the government the right to spy on us? If so, who the fuck cares if it's an invasion of privacy unless you're a murderer or something? If you're not doing anything wrong, so what? Scared to be caught masturbating or something?

^the same reason you may not want your parents or girl lookin through your shit, you may not have nothin...but you dont feel the least bit insecure when they have the right to always look through it?...personally i dont want my mom lookin through my shit for somethin all the time, and thats what the government is doin to the people, they say its for terrorists, how do you know that? how do you know theyre not just lying to you...like they did about the chemical/nuclear shit in iraq...after all thats what we went there for, and now that we found out they dont have any...why the fuck are we still over there? oh to free the people?, meanwhile george washington said we shouldnt get involved in any other countries affairs, and this country says it relates to its founding fathers meanwhile its doing the opposite of what one of the founding fathers said we should do.

You can disagree with why we're over in Iraq, fine. The point is, WE.. ARE.. IN.. WAR. I don't give a shit if you disagree with the war, or any of that. We're still in it. During war, the government clamps down on people's rights.



It's war time. When we're at a time of peace and nothing is happening, if they're still invading privacy or whatever, then you can bitch. Not while the country is in a war. People's rights get clamped down during war.

this whole issue proves once again that freedom and justice canNOT co-exist.