Why does the bible condone cannibalism?
 

Why does the bible condone cannibalism?

Hmm...

Where does it say that..?

You watch.. Christians will have some pre-concieved answer for this to try and shove it off and act like its justafied...
They always do...

Its like when you ask them why does the bible say that if you own a servant that steals from you, you have the right to stab them in the head...

They say because its in the old testement its not up to date with currant ideas and belief's.. Makes you wonder what else in the bible can be listed as being antiquated........


Quote the passage though (out of interest).

Cannibalism is strewn all throught the bible.






Not to mention Jesus saying "this is my flesh..eat it and so on..this is my blood..drink it and so on". God is telling people to eat flesh and drink blood. Why?

NOS...I'm not being rude when I say you're ignorant. But, you are. You have little to NO understand of scripture or the context in which it was written. The bible is a complex synthesis which some scholars dedicate their whole lives to studying. Therefore, your arrogant dismissal of it falls under the category of "ignorance is bliss." Learn before you open your mouth.

neway...Apexx

The "First" testament (or old testament) can be broken down into 2 laws: God's CEREMONIAL law and God's MORAL laws. What Nos was ATTEMPTING to hint at (but failed miserably) was that certain portions of the bible seem to be upheld while others don't. This is absolutely the case and expected of believers.

#1...The "Ceremonial" laws of the O.T.--e.g., sacrificing animals, Kosher laws for Jews, rites of passage, etc.--were fulfilled by Jesus when he died on the cross. The book of Galations (in the New Testament) says: Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law. The Ceremonial laws were in place so that people could be in right standing with God. However, God knew that those rules would be darn near impossible to follow 100%, 100% of the time. When Jesus came, he not only came to save the souls of those who believe on him, but to finally break the bondage of having to be a slave to all the Ceremonial laws in the O.T. If you read the book of Leviticus in the O.T., it will BLOW your mind. There are rules and regulations for darn near everything. It was ridiculous. Jesus fulfilled this law. We are no longer bound by God's ceremonial law because Jesus is now our High Priest. That's the reason Christians can eat pork without it being a sin. It's the reason Christians can eat a CHEESEBURGER (meat and diary combined) without it being a sin. Those were part of the ceremonial law Christ fulfilled.

#2...God's MORAL laws still stand--i.e., ten commandments and other restrictions that bind God's expectations for governing our lives. Therefore, fornication, murder, drunkeness, lying, pride, and a host of other "sins" are still viewed upon as an ABOMINATION to God. These we are still obliged to follow. How do I know? Jesus said in the N.T. that "All of the commandments are fulfilled by this one thing, to love your neighbor as yourself." Then, Jesus also took it a step further when he said, "Even THINKING about fornication is a sin [let alone doing the deed]." If Jesus doesn't let us off the hook there, why assume that the rest of the moral laws can be broken? I'll tell you. They aren't meant to be!!!!!!!!!!


Now...On to you question of "cannibalism" in the bible. When man was separated from God through the original sin, it required a medium to bring us back to Him through atonement. That means, in order for there to be atonement for sin, blood had to be shed. In the O.T., this came in the form of animal sacrifice. But, man was still eternally separated from God because animal blood could not reconcile us back to God completely. That's why he sent his son Jesus, to be a human sacrifice for us. Because of sin, man was rightfully DAMNED to eternal suffering in hell. Jesus literally took everysin of everyman upon him and nailed it to the cross. He died in our place. The punishment that we were supposed to receive for sin, HE received for us. The death that we were entitled to, he took it upon himself when he yielded his spirit at Calvary. Jesus became the ultimate sacrifice for us. Only his blood could offer an eternal atonement for mankind's sin. God loves his son that much. Jesus is in a special position at the right hand of God. And, believe it or not, Jesus IS GOD. All power belongs to him. When Christ instituted the sacrament of the holy Communion, he meant for it to be a reminder of the sacrifice he made for us some 2000 years ago. The wine (or grape juice) represents the undefiled blood that was shed for us. The waffers (or crackers) represent his body that was whipped and tortured so that we can have eternal life and healing here on earth. He said, "This, do in rememberance of me." When you partake of holy Communion, you are attesting and making a public display that you have accepted Jesus as your lord and savior and that you believe he is risen as Lord of all. It's not really the body of our Lord, but merely a symbol of the great sacrifice made for you and me. However, any man who eats and drinks of the body and blood of Jesus unworthily, will eat and drink DAMNATION to himself. That's written in scripture.
One last tidbit: Certain times and customs have changed over the thousands of years. There are examples of polygamy in the bible as well. God doesn't seem to mind King David or King Solomon having more than 1 wife. Joseph, earthly stepfather of Jesus, married MAry when she was around 13-14 years old. This may seem strange to us now, but that was the custom back then. There are other examples of incredible incidents of human behavior that God either sanctioned or permitted. There's one example of a warrior in the bible who fought Israel's enemy at the time and won. He promised to GOd, "Lord, if you let me win this battle, when I return home, I'll sacrifice the first thing that greets me." He was referring to his animals. But, when he returned home, the first thing that greeted him was his DAUGHTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He cried in bewilderment. But, the bible says he sacrificed his daughter as he had promised God.

The bible has some amazing stories in it man...It not only provides a road map to salvation, but it's fairly entertaining in some parts as well.



If you want absolute specifics, I can give them to you Apexx. I kinda keyed this response.

OH...one more thing Apexx..."Cannibalism" is ultimately one of the highest forms of flattery or displays of love/passion. When two people are engaged in intimate contact, they'll often deliver love "bites". Bite as in EAT, aka CANNIBALISM. When someone sees an adorable baby, they say, "I can just GOBBLE you up." Gobble means EAT = Cannibalism.

i dont know about the baby and stuff, but i know when jesus was talking, he wasnt talking literally, he was talking like symbolistic

Lmao...wtf are you talking about? fool..

I dont dismiss the bible..

I am against set religion and people who think they have to rely on stupid little traditions and rituals to have a relationship with god... People who act like their going to heaven because they do everything the preachers at their church tell them to do.. People that dont think for themselves and just believe everything they read...

The bible is a historical document.. Just like the Quran and most other religious texts that were written in those times.

What your saying is bullcrap... Your judging my opinions as ignorance because you dont understand what the fuck I'm saying in the first place...

Peace out loser...

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that was probably the biggest/dumbest misconception i've seen from you, usually you have good points and actually know what your talkin about...

but yo he didn't really rip off a piece of his arm and give it to em and drain some blood out for them to drink....It was symbolism, he gave them bread and wine, and said eat this bread in rememberance of my body, and drink this wine in rememberance of the blood i shed for thee...

symbolism= he was saying when you eat just be thankful that he sacrificed his physical body for us
and when you drink be thankful for all the blood the shed from his body as he was dieing for us.

^^^^Just as I stated










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What you're talking about is "bread and wine". not "flesh and blood". It dosen't say "eat this bread, and drink this wine" it states "eat my flesh and drink my blood".

Additionally, lets not forget the king distinctly saying "lets boil my son and eat him today, and we'll boil your son and eat him tomorrow". Then he and the woman boiled and ate his son! The next day, when it was the womans turn the woman hid hers. There's nothing metaphorical about this.



REALLY?? Oh man..here I was all this time thinking that Jesus (which wasn't even his real name) slowly peeled the skin off his arm and dug his fingers into his muscle, clenched, and pulled as hard as he could till tendons were severed and had meat in his hand that he passed around for others to eat. Oh wait - that's exactly what he was saying they should do. I obviously know that's not what happened. Unlike most of the "christians" or "catholics" you know, I've actually read the entire bible.

I cited 4 instances, you only pick one. That's all well and good, but still has nothing to do with this:



^^why is everyone avoiding adressing this? Dude said it's okay to boil my son and eat him, and then did so. That's normal conduct to you?

Besides, telling someone AT ALL to "eat my flesh and drink my blood, because my flesh is meat just like any other, and my blood is drink, just like any other" is morbid no matter how you look at it.



That's not commiting to and performing cannibalism, those are STATEMENTS ABOUT cannibalism. In the few cultures that do and did practice it, in which one of them is cannibalism considered a compliment? Certianly not the Huns. They did it to profess victory over others and to instill fear. The Azteks practiced cannibalism as well with the prisoners of war. Other cultures have practices cannibalism during time of famine when they were also drinking mud for it's water content. this of course had nothing to do with paying compliments to anything but their own survival. Those instances you named are people saying things you interpret to be cannibalistic - they're not DOING anything cannibalistic. Those who DO practice cannibalism don't see it as a compliment to anyone. Just ask Charles Manson. Shit man, even the which in the Hansel and Gretel story wanted to cook and eat them and everyone said that was weird, yet the Bible says the same thing and it's okay?

Why not?

I'm not sure, yo

But what Ive never understood is...God created the world and...Man? (supposedly)


Yet people ''sacrificed'' on his behalf.....which is clearly murder, and murder is one of the 10 commandments...


so where do they get off doin that?..

God is sovereign. The bible also tells us to refrain from anger. But, the bible clearly says "God gets angry." The bible warns us about letting our emotions get the best of us. But, the bible clearly says, "God is a jealous God." God clearly instructed Moses to tell the people that murder was wrong--i.e., in the 10 commandments. But, God frequently ordered people to execute others in times of war or as an act of his vengeance. The point is, if you believe in God, then you believe he is a King. And, even with Earthly kings, certain mandates go forth that people don't understand or aren't allowed to do themselves. The reason is God made everything for his pleasure. That's what the bible says. The bible also says God even made evil so that he could punish it. EVERYTHING that's in existence is for God's pleasure. That means he can do what he wants. The difference is, he isn't ruled by his emotions and is more fair than we could ever be. Think about it. We have to deal with 1, 2, maybe 3 people acting like an ass to us everyday. God deals with 6 BILLION different people and their problems, attitudes, hatred, and ignorances all day, EVERYDAY. With all that, the bible still says "God is kind and slow to get angry." Trust me, that statement is true. If God gave mankind what he deserved, we'd all be dead.

So, why does God allow questionable things to happen? He does it because it's in his will--whether perfect or permissible.

P.S. Holy Communion represents a symbolic act. We aren't actually eating the body of Christ. When Jesus served the last supper to his disciples, he took the bread and said, "Take, EAT, this is my BODY which is broken for you." That = symbolism If Jesus intended for us to eat flesh, he would have served it then. Also, just because the bible accounts someone doing something, doesn't mean God liked it. In fact, if you keep reading in alot of instances, you'll see where God voices his displeasure with the act/acts. God himself NEVER commanded people to eat flesh as a ceremonial or moral obligation to him.



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That was fuckin stupid.

Apexx has a valid point.

It wasn't stupid. But, your reply was. My point in stating that was to show that the idea of "cannibalism" isn't as revolting as Apexx is making it sound. Now, don't assume I agree with it. I'm just saying that we reference things like cannibalism without even realizing it.

I was reffering mainly to the 'Gobble youup = cannablism' bullshit.

the rest was merely my opinion of this thread.

Strange how can understand otehr peoples opinions on cannibalism, but when it comes to things like abortion, you draw a blank.

The saying, "I could just EAT YOU" is a Freudian type of reference to cannibalism. And, what are you babbling about on abortion? This thread was about whether or not God required or allowed cannibalism. And, I stated clearly that there is no reference in the bible where God directly tells someone to eat Human flesh. Jesus' serving of the Last Supper was symbolism, or else he would have cut himself and served his blood.

babbling on? Hardly.

Just face it. your willing to understand an act that in modern sciety is considered wrong because the bible condones it.

Yet you cant understand why people would want an abortion.

And wtf anyway, doesnt the bible say being gay is wrong. Its things like that which make me think the bible is total bullshit.

?? Okay...I see you're on level 8 and I'm on level 2 cuz I'm not understanding this animosity. Again, this thread isn't about whether cannibalism is wrong or not. The thread is about whether or not GOD condones it or allows it. That's what you don't seem to be getting. I'm not about to argue with you because you choose to use this as an opportunity to pick a fight. And, what does homosexuality have to do with this thread? :nono:


Stop attempting to turn this into a crucify Q topic.
And, I still don't see what abortion has to do with this particular thread.

Israel was predicted to be cursed with cannibalism if you check out Deutoronomy Chapter 28, i believe verse 53 or 54 specifically idk haven't read Deutoronomy in a while but i think that's close enuff. It explains some of the curses God was to put on them because of Israel's rebellion against God and his covenant.

And if I'm correct which I believe so, my Bible's in the car, but the verse you are referring to from 2 Kings is dealing with the a king from Israel which proves the predictions (from Deut.) of cannibalism to be true.

I don't think God is saying it's okay to eat men, it's one curse out of many that they brought upon themselves. The curses were made to destroy them.

I think the symbolism part is understood with the communion, I didn't read through all the posts in here but I glanced and skimmed through. Jesus speaks to men in parables and symbolism, when he says take my blood and my flesh in a consuming manner, he's talking in a more "spiritual" meaning and not physical at all.

A lot of things mentioned in the Bible are not to be taken literally.

But @ Nos' comment, not every "Christian" protects verses with an excuse like oh, it's the old testament days. Sure ENOUGH you realize the days then compared to how we live now are extremely different.

Oh my goodness, CANNABALISM IS A PUNISHMENT. God doesn't go eat people. It's a punishment.

About the gay thing, yes that is one of the many things God doesn't like.

LOL @ The bible..........

only thing glorifed about the bible is the dude who made it all up...

he must be laughin like fuuuuck in his grave.

You know how your parents let you eat dessert but if you are bad as a child they take dessert away from you have you eating those nasty mean ol' vegetables?

Yeah that's a punishment far less than the punishment God gave the people of Israel.

And @ there are other curses/punishments God gave the people of Israel... yes they made him mad enough to go tell them to become slaves to their enemies, to be naked, hungry and thirsty, have their land destroyed, be robbed, men & women murdering their families and relatives to eat them and a handful of other curses in Deutoronomy 28.

God NEVER said it was the righteous thing to do, but since they want to be hard-headed they gonna get stripped from their priveleges. That's like the ultimate punishment and lesson for Israel, in my opinion.

"being" gay isn't the problem...having gay sex is the problem...A person can call himself "gay" all he wants. But, if he doesn't engage in those acts, is he really gay? At best, he'll have to deal with those attractions if they are real to him. The bible also says lying, fornication, drunkeness, and pride are also sins. And, I'm sure EVERYONE deals with at least ONE thing the bible calls a sin. So, for Compose to single that out was just a cheap shot at me. The bible says ANGER is a sin, and profanity. All these sins, and yet we focus on homosexuality. Gee...what a surprise.

Lady Fiya.....

why do you still think I was being serious about that comment in your sig?

I was clearly being sarcastic :huh:

LOL @ You...

There isn't ONE person who "made" the Bible up. Goodness.

Def. the bible wasn't written by one man, but at least 30 different people. The bible is what you call a synthesis.







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Quote:
2 Kings 6:28-29,

28And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow.

29So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son.



^^why is everyone avoiding adressing this? Dude said it's okay to boil my son and eat him, and then did so. That's normal conduct to you?

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you don't know that whole story, the King is the King of a city that has little to no food....and there is a begging woman on the street as the king is passing and she says lets eat your son today and mine tomorrow, and they ate the kings son which was going to be killed anyways for working with a man of god, Elisha, and then the woman hid her son..which was also to be killed.

Elisha told the king God will feed them tomorrow if they be patient and he told him they will see food but they were to not eat, but the king had ate his son and then some drama happens GOD makes the Syrian camp hear noises thinkin it was an army coming to kill them and they run for their life leaving everything behind and so on... and then the next day(the tomorrow Elisha was talking about) the King hears of all the stuff left behind and he forgets about punishing the woman for not upholding her part of the deal and the king and the people of the city go to the Syrian camp and they take all the food and go back to the city and when The King is at the gate returning to the city Elisha is there and says "I told you so"= translated to modern times..

and GOD says "Now if I should make windows in heaven, might such a thing be? And he said, Behold, thou shalt see it with thine eyes, but shal not eat thereof, and then the Kind dies=basically that right there is God saying i told you not to eat until today and he says if you were in heaven and could see down to earth would you be able to follow my directions, and the king says yes because he could see it but couldnt eat it....

then it tells of Elisha talking with the woman and blah blah blah

Facts I left out
-The King also had her son's head cut off
-Elisha brings the woman's son back to life "restored his life" as they say

Apexx you would be a great person to have Bible study with, I haven't read the Bible in a while until now and I thank you for that

God was displeased with those who were "gay" or showing they were gay; however, you want to put it. He didn't like it.

I didn't mention the other sins or say anything relating to it, I already know what the others are. It's one thing to just "know" what the sins are and another to live with it.

And if you talking bout me (if you aren't then ignore this part) using profanity, I actually drifted from that because yes it's not good to talk like that and angry? I'm not close to being angry.

Nobnody knows weither its fact or fiction.

Its a ''belief''...

and I have the belief in science and evolution...so there for ...to me, and other people...the bible is nothin more than useless rambling, which could of meant that one person made it all up and people believed it........hence their christian belief. :cool:

Lady Fiya, If you take that quote out your sig, I'll agree with everythin you say In here.

I already touched basis on the 2 Kings quote. LOL, dag I need to get my Bible in a bit anyways. = )

no no no...You may not be gay. You may not curse. You may not have anger issues. But, you deal with something. So, my point is, don't point on ONE sin just because you don't have to deal with it. Compose used the issue of being gay as a cheap shot. And, let's not split hairs here. "showing they were gay" means having gay sex or attempting to do so. In Jewish custom, it was against the law for men to dress like women and vice versa. That doesn't mean they were "gay" if they did so. Dressing up like a woman when you're a man isn't acting "gay." So, your statement is somewhat ambiguous. As someone who's had to deal with homosexuality, I know that it's my struggle to stay focused. For someone else, it may be fornicating, or lying, or pride, or being judgmental. Whatever your vice is, it needs to be yielded to God. I'm just calling Compose on his cheap attempt at a cheap shot. COMPOSE, Lady Fiya, Q, and everyone else in this thread is a sinner.


period.

i eat people....

the BIBLE is a book that was written by man , but INSPIRED by GOD...which means that GOD came to people in visions and such, and told them what to write...the books of Corinthians were letters from one of the disciples to a people called "Corinthians" so not everything is just "GOD told me to tell this story" some things are inspired by GOD, but from the heart, to other people...but you're right, it IS about belief...anything you believe, you have to have faith in...whether it be evolution or the BIBLE, because "faith is the belief in things unseen"...nobody really knows how everything that Is, came to be...but you choose to have faith in either man, who is in the same position as you, and whom you can see, or a GOD, that is all-powerful and all-knowing

it is still against GOD's word for women to dress like men and men to dress like women, can't remember where but it IS in the BIBLE though...and like ThaQ said, no sin is greater than the other...so basically unless you have NO sins to be forgiven of, do not bring up another person's sin
pray for yourself and pray for them

Just like no one really knows if the Big Bang theory is fact/fiction... but yeah I know belief is belief. But if you not into a "belief" why you steady come into every thread relating to it. And make the same comment. You not adding to the conversation. All you say is you "LOL" at the Bible, well great. I think we all understand your position in the any "Bible" thread. *claps*

And the sig stays. It put a smile on my face. = )

The irony of believing the bible is that you have to believe the bible is believeable to believe it.

lol

In other words, we believe that the words we read were divinely inspired. So, if you don't believe that, you can't possibly go further and believe anything else it says.


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