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Key... 03-28-06 01:51 PM

Quran Vs Bible.
 
I read them both to be honest, and its pretty indentical.

Only difference is Jesus is consider god in the bible
and in the quran its another prophet.

Well here comes my question i dont know if any of you can answer.

If Jesus is a symbol of christianity, is he god?

Which makes Maria gods mother?


pretty confusing dont you think so.

LaTiNKiTTeN 03-28-06 02:00 PM

..well,the quaran and the bible cant be the same cuz...
....why doesnt the bible breed terrorists?

Tha Q. 03-28-06 02:06 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Key Rogue
I read them both to be honest, and its pretty indentical.

Only difference is Jesus is consider god in the bible
and in the quran its another prophet.

Well here comes my question i dont know if any of you can answer.

If Jesus is a symbol of christianity, is he god?

Which makes Maria gods mother?


pretty confusing dont you think so.



Biblically speaking, Jesus is God. John 1 says, "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God." The bible also says of Jesus, "In him dwells the fullness of the Godhead." Mary was Jesus' mother, yes. But, Catholics have given her a more important role than the bible intended, IMO. Jesus said, "Ask the FATHER anything in my name, and I will do it." Nowhere in the New Testament does Jesus instruct us to pray to Mary.

So, yes, Jesus is God. When the bible speaks of the creative power of God, it's referring to Jesus.

Sean Gunner 03-28-06 08:29 PM

If Jesus is a symbol of christianity, is he god?

Well, according to The Bible God has 3 parts in one. The trinity if you will. The Father (God), the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit. Technically they are all part of the same person, but each part is different. It's hard to comprehend, but ya.

Which makes Maria gods mother?

Maria is not God's mother, she was more like a deliverer to make Jesus' birth as humbling as possible. She was also a loyal follower of God. Since she was a virgin Jesus was not born with sin like the rest of us, but instead was pure. Jesus is the Son of God, but he was born like the rest of us in less but in less than adequate conditions.

Dabatos 03-28-06 08:33 PM

God does not have 3 parts, and Jesus is not God, he is God's son, and represents God for Christianity, mary is Jesus mother, but is not God's mother, she was a faithful follower to God, and helped God born his son. Jesus was able to do mircales, but thats because God gave him the power to do that. But Jesus is "NOT" God.

Sean Gunner 03-28-06 08:39 PM

Ya he does bro. The Bible clearly states that.

Tha Q. 03-28-06 09:22 PM

Dabatos, you are incorrect according to scripture bro. Jesus is God, God the son. The Holy Spirt is God, God the Holy Ghost. The Father is God, God the father. All creative power that formed anything in existence came through Jesus. That's in John chapter 1. "Types of Christs" are found in examples throughout the body. Lot's of the encounters people had in the old testament were with Jesus himself. Remember, Jesus is the 2nd part of the God-head (aka Trinity).


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Tha Q. 03-28-06 09:24 PM

PS...It's not uncommon for Christians to disagree on this point. Someone I knew a while back did a survey of the people in my old church. He asked a simple question: "Is Jesus God?" About 1/2 the people said yes and 1/2 said no. John chapter 1 clears that up though. In Jesus lies the fullness of the Godhead. All power is given to him in heaven and on earth. That's also scriptural.

Dabatos 03-28-06 09:29 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Q.
Dabatos, you are incorrect according to scripture bro. Jesus is God, God the son. The Holy Spirt is God, God the Holy Ghost. The Father is God, God the father. All creative power that formed anything in existence came through Jesus. That's in John chapter 1. "Types of Christs" are found in examples throughout the body. Lot's of the encounters people had in the old testament were with Jesus himself. Remember, Jesus is the 2nd part of the God-head (aka Trinity).


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So Jesus created earth?? no he didnt, it was God that created earth. He preached Gods words. Holy Ghost, and holy spirit yea yea.. but God isnt Three things. thats what people are made to believe that he's three things. He is not, he is one.. He is not three different thigns. What i meant by that is, people praise to a holy spirt, and a holy Ghost, when you should praise only God. Yes praise Jesus, but dont forget to Praise God, because God created every single thing that exist, including Jesus. oh n before Jesus, there was God.. yea..

p.s. bout the trinity thing.. God is a Holy Spirit, Jesus is Not God, but is Gods truest son.

Tha Q. 03-28-06 09:34 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dabatos
So Jesus created earth?? no he didnt, it was God that created earth. He preached Gods words. Holy Ghost, and holy spirit yea yea.. but God isnt Three things. thats what people are made to believe that he's three things. He is not, he is one.. He is not three different thigns. What i meant by that is, people praise to a holy spirt, and a holy Ghost, when you should praise only God. Yes praise Jesus, but dont forget to Praise God, because God created every single thing that exist, including Jesus. oh n before Jesus, there was God.. yea..



Open your mind bro...You've been taught that, but it isn't scriptural. Well, it's only partially correct. Look at what the scriptures say.

John 1: In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.

The God-head consist of God the father, God the son, and God the holy Ghost, each equal in power with different roles. I like to describe the Trinity as an apple. Its ONE piece of fruit, but with 3 distinct parts: core, pulp, skin. I've had discussions with people who asked, "So, are you saying God is schizophrenic?" Not only are they clowns for being facetious, but that's not even what schizophrenia is. Anyway, God did create the heavens and the earth. I ask you though, how did he do it? I'll tell you. He did it by SPEAKING IT INTO EXISTENCE. Example: LET THERE BE LIGHT. That means the word. THe new testament teaches us that Jesus is the word of God. That's why John said: "...and the word WAS GOD." It then goes on to say how all things were made by him. He's referring to Jesus bro. So, Jesus is God.

Tha Q. 03-28-06 09:35 PM

Here is that scripture in full:

John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.

3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.



John is clearly talking about Jesus.

Dabatos 03-28-06 09:36 PM

Yes, I was taught that.. and you were taught something else.. so who says whos right??? Im just stating what I believe, as what you are doing.. dont see nothign wrong with that

Tha Q. 03-28-06 09:37 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dabatos
Yes, I was taught that.. and you were taught something else.. so who says whos right??? Im just stating what I believe, as what you are doing.. dont see nothign wrong with that




no no no son...relax and open your mind...You heard that...But, the scriptures don't back that up because it's only partially true. God made everything. But, everything was made through his word. Who is the word of god? Jesus is the word of God. Jesus is God. The text does not support what you're saying. All throughout the New Testament Jesus is validated as being God and having all power. Don't resolve to being ignorant because what I'm saying defies what you've been taught all your life.

Dabatos 03-28-06 10:36 PM

So you saying my family's stupid for teaching me wut they know???? Who says the bibble "you" read is right??? who knows exactly?? Why should I say "holy mary, mother of God, blah blah blah" who says your suppose to say that?? you dont gotta say all that stuff to pray to God.. n thats what i was taught. u were taught of that by the bibble "you" read.. n u still stand there saying what im saying is wrong.. nah man.. u dont have the right to say that.. i say wut i believe is right, u say what you believe is right.. nah man u ignorant for even calling me that..

Tha Q. 03-28-06 10:42 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dabatos
So you saying my family's stupid for teaching me wut they know???? Who says the bibble "you" read is right??? who knows exactly?? Why should I say "holy mary, mother of God, blah blah blah" who says your suppose to say that?? you dont gotta say all that stuff to pray to God.. n thats what i was taught. u were taught of that by the bibble "you" read.. n u still stand there saying what im saying is wrong.. nah man.. u dont have the right to say that.. i say wut i believe is right, u say what you believe is right.. nah man u ignorant for even calling me that..



No...I'm not saying anyone is stupid, just misinformed. Let me ask you this. If someone said to you, "Dabatos, Jesus didn't die on the cross, he was hit by a chariot and died." Immediately, a red flashing signal would go off in your spirit and you'd know that what that person was saying wasn't scriptural. Then, to defend what he's saying, he says, "But, that's what I believe." His belief he is entitled to. But, he can not misrepresent scripture and say it's there when it's not without being irresponsible. The bible clearly details how Jesus was crucified. He, in fact, was NOT hit by a chariot. So, when someone makes statements that are not supported by scripture, that same red flag goes off in my spirit. It's there man. Study it.

Key... 03-28-06 11:10 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by LaTiNKiTTeN
..well,the quaran and the bible cant be the same cuz...
....why doesnt the bible breed terrorists?


Bible breed priest who sleep with younger kids?

locknes 03-28-06 11:12 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Key Rogue
Bible breed priest who sleep with younger kids?

^correction chatholics did

Key... 03-28-06 11:12 PM

My 2nd question is

why is god aka jesus assembled as a white man with long hair?

how do they know that?

locknes 03-28-06 11:19 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Key Rogue
My 2nd question is

why is god aka jesus assembled as a white man with long hair?

how do they know that?

The white image, of Christ, is really Cesare Borgia
and uhh, the second son of Pope Alexander
The Sixth of Rome, and once the picture was shown
That's how the devils tricked my dome-gza

theres your answer

Tha Q. 03-29-06 12:01 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Key Rogue
My 2nd question is

why is god aka jesus assembled as a white man with long hair?

how do they know that?



Everyone knows Jesus was a man of color.








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La Cosa Nostra 03-29-06 01:46 AM

Difference being...

The bible was changed considerably in order to represent Jesus as a god...
Whereas the Quran has stayed the same and is never changed.

No matter which way you look at it, they are both just historical documents related to wide spread religious cults with the aim of gaining followers.....

Neither is better than the other as they are both just out to serve the same purpose.

Also............Theres really no point in asking religious followers this question because their answer is ofcourse going to be full of biased crap.....

Thats religion for you..............

Tha Q. 03-29-06 07:58 AM

The bible was not changed to represent Jesus as God. The new testament was authored in Greek thousands of years ago, and has been painstakingly duplicated through the ages. On top of that, Jesus was prophesied in the old testament in multiple scriptures by multiple prophets. Satan, you're a liar.

Jesus is God. The bible confirms this over and over. God has also revealed it in my spirit through confirmation of his word. Denying Jesus is a spirit anti-Christ. The bible clearly presents Jesus as God.

On top of that, BIBLE CODES prove that man didn't truly author the bible. It was divinely inspired by God. No man can purposely embedd those codes in the text and have them align across the board of scriptures written over thousands of years. That's a statistical impossibility. So, even if the new testament was tampered with, which it wasn't, that doesn't account for the old testament's prophecies that Jesus would die for man's salvation.

And, if our answer is biased, what is your answer? Some of the greatest minds of all time believed in the authenticity of the bible, including Sir Isaac Newton, whose writings reflect his belief in the Bible/God.

Nos, I'm sorry to tell you, but God has put a spirit of stupor on you. You are blind and in danger of losing direction even more than you are lost now. Jesus died for you and wants you to accept him as your Lord and Savior. Right now, you are operating in a spirit of error.

Nynth Degree 03-29-06 11:02 AM

Bad as I Wanna Be by Dennis Rodman.

La Cosa Nostra 03-29-06 12:20 PM

The Q:

Look man.. At face value.. One would think you've just disected my arguement and proved me wrong.. But this is because your in way above your head to start with..

I'm guessing you've grown up with christianity.. Maybe you havnt been a full on preaching christian your whole life, but I think its fairly safe to assume youve always been savvy about the way it works.. You've been taught about it all through your childhood.. The human brain essentually stops evolving around the time you hit your 21st birthday, your mindstate is by then compleatly set in its own ways.. But you'd know all about this right? Didnt you study psychology in college?

Now theres no chance of you ever conciously accepting this fact, and I know you'll shrug it off as me being ignorant and yada yada yada w/e else you have to say about it...... But.... you have been brainwashed.

Lets have a closer look at your arguments...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Q.
The bible was not changed to represent Jesus as God. The new testament was authored in Greek thousands of years ago, and has been painstakingly duplicated through the ages. On top of that, Jesus was prophesied in the old testament in multiple scriptures by multiple prophets. Satan, you're a liar.

Mistake 1) You say it cannot of been changed because it was written thousands of years ago in greek and (you've been told) that all its duplications are authentic. Which is speculation based on the biased opinions of what your church has told you. And doesent ACTUALLY prove anything due to the fact you and everybody you've ever talked to, have never actually read a bible in its origional form. Only bibles you are told are its origional form.

Mistake 2) You try to tell me the new testement cannot have been changed because the old testement prophecises about someone who in my arguments, I never said didnt exist. I never said he didnt die for our sins. I have only said he wasnt a deity. Which is an argument that is related to numorous historical scientific studies conducted outside of the christian bias.

Not to mention your attempting to tell me that the old testement is somehow untouchable and immune from change.. .....Uhh, says who?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Q.
Jesus is God. The bible confirms this over and over. God has also revealed it in my spirit through confirmation of his word. Denying Jesus is a spirit anti-Christ. The bible clearly presents Jesus as God.

Once again. This does not prove anything. You say because the bible confirms jesus is a deity, it must be true. Thats like putting a criminal infront of a jury and just........taking their word for it... What are you trying to prove with this paragraph? That you've read the christian bible? :rolleyes:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Q.
On top of that, BIBLE CODES prove that man didn't truly author the bible. It was divinely inspired by God. No man can purposely embedd those codes in the text and have them align across the board of scriptures written over thousands of years. That's a statistical impossibility. So, even if the new testament was tampered with, which it wasn't, that doesn't account for the old testament's prophecies that Jesus would die for man's salvation.

I'm sorry..

What bible codes have actually been discovered, proven and unscrambled?

C'mon man.. I've read into these things just like you have.. Most claims of bible codes that have been tested have not detected anything unexplainable by chance. I mean hey, maybe they do exist... The human mind has concocted way more amazing schemes than hidden messages in text. And it would be a fools game to not be aware of the literally hundreds of extreme secret societys that exist in this world spanning over the last 5 to 6 thousand years.

The rest of your post was un-nessecary rambling in an attempt to discredit me... So I wont address it.

What I will say though, is god effects humanity in a very direct and often unforseen mannor. Never believe what you see and read to be the exact truth no matter what your source is.

You can ramble on to me all day about what you believe to be the case with existance. And as always, you will get nowhere.. Because your arguments are operating on a lower level which is nothing more than a faith you have grown up around and have imbedded into your mind as being the truth.

I am not out to change your views. But I am warning you... There is no one true religion in this world. Religion is the worship of a higher power and ultimate plan for life. Every religion has their own belief's and speculations, their own propecys, their own rights and wrongs..

But none of them are truely enlightened of the future of our existance. They simply speculate and evolve among old beliefs.

Which is why I get into so many arguments with you.. Because you feel as though you have it all worked out by believing everyting your religion tells you to believe.. When in reality, your in over your head.

My advice to you.. Is dont bother overwhelming yourself.. Just continue believing what you want to believe. You are ofcourse, just a tiny spec among a larger picture.

Just a sheep among the countless millions.

Nejji Bangaz 03-29-06 01:52 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Key Rogue
I read them both to be honest, and its pretty indentical.

Only difference is Jesus is consider god in the bible
and in the quran its another prophet.

Well here comes my question i dont know if any of you can answer.

If Jesus is a symbol of christianity, is he god?

Which makes Maria gods mother?


pretty confusing dont you think so.


actually the quran says that there is only one god who is in everything but never takes physical form, and that prophet that ur talkin about is Muhammed

@ LK shut that ignorant shit up, sweetheart, cuz erry fuckin religion has "terrorists" aka extremists.....so ur comment isnt as clever as i know u can be k? kthx :)

Nejji Bangaz 03-29-06 02:03 PM

n omfg @ that pic in ur sig....wowwww that actually bought tears to my eyes....ROFLMFAOOOOO....no beef wit nobody in it...jus....ROFLMFAO wowowow

Nejji Bangaz 03-29-06 02:05 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by PIMPIN aint easy
no the prophet he was talking about was jesus jus like he said, in the qu'ran jesus is not seen as god or the son of god he is seen simply as a prophet, and yes muhammad was a prophet but he was in no way taklin bout him

u do know ther eis more than 1 prophet dont u lol??

oh, well i know more about islam than christianity....n yes of course i know their is more than one prophet...Muhammed, Moses, Jesus, Noah..etc...its jus ppl tell me different things...ive never actually read the bible tho so wuteva lol

Nejji Bangaz 03-29-06 02:36 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by PIMPIN aint easy
no the prophet he was talking about was jesus jus like he said, in the qu'ran jesus is not seen as god or the son of god he is seen simply as a prophet, and yes muhammad was a prophet but he was in no way taklin bout him

u do know ther eis more than 1 prophet dont u lol??

no wait lol wen he first said the jesus shit, i understood that, but he said suttin about the prophet in the quran, and didnt address him by his name, so i thought he forgot...all i was doing was reminding him

Nejji Bangaz 03-29-06 04:03 PM

nah he meant the other prophet in the quran who he thought was meant as god...he jus aint say the name, so i did, and said the muhammed was never said to be god...

Key... 03-30-06 02:48 PM

Whatever i ment is why is Jesus considered god in the bible?

Key... 03-30-06 02:49 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
Difference being...

The bible was changed considerably in order to represent Jesus as a god...
Whereas the Quran has stayed the same and is never changed.

..............


This concludes this topic.

SlicKnife 04-17-06 06:15 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by LaTiNKiTTeN
..well,the quaran and the bible cant be the same cuz...
....why doesnt the bible breed terrorists?


Just wanted to comment on this point you made....

Your very direct in that you have a belief that the Quran does breed terrorists, and use it to argue your point

You use it as the basis of your argument, and I challenge you to successfully prove that the Quran is solely and directly reponsible for the existence of 'terrorists'.....

And before you do that, why not define the meaning of 'terrorist' since it is a word debated on, and there is no single agreed upon definition...

Reply to this, and I might show you everything in a different light since that is something most people struggle to do

Ragnarok 04-24-06 10:42 PM

Quran=Queer
Get the point, son.
Although the Old Testament Catholic Bible
Has among the most bullshit anyone can
Read. But we don't need a bible if we have fate.

[bullshit/]
[Stillcatholic/]

SUPERVILLAIN 04-25-06 10:05 PM

oh shit.............i saw these 2 go at it one night.

okay.....the quran started poppin' off at the mouth 'cuz the bible messed with dudes girl at the club one thursday night. obviously shit got heated, so the quran and his boys tried to jump the bible, but the bible had some fierce fists. he slept all of them at once pretty much....word. a few hooks...a few uppercuts...and one swift kick in the pants was all it took to finish 'em. the quran woke up and took off in his monte carlo while dumpin' a few shots off in the air and said he'd be back. i think he's lying though. dude got whooped and seemed hella scary to finish off the beef. he's always frontin' like that.

i heard that their meeting at the park this weekend though...

...i'll keep y'all posted.


s.v.

Key... 04-27-06 09:33 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragnarok
Quran=Queer
Get the point, son.
Although the Old Testament Catholic Bible
Has among the most bullshit anyone can
Read. But we don't need a bible if we have fate.

[bullshit/]
[Stillcatholic/]


Are you retarded.


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