I'm not sorry, but PROOF that the bible is Divinely Inspired
 

Nostradamus is a bible critic and skeptic. Well, he's entitled to that view. But, I challenge him and anyone else who thinks the bible is a book of made up fairy tales designed to entrap people to consider the following. Then, after you read this, honestly say you believe the bible is a "hoax" without merit, without reasonable doubt.

Nostradamus claims that the bible, presumably the New Testament, was tampered with over time to make Jesus look like more of a Deity than he was. The New Testament clearly says Jesus is the son of God, and that he is the savior of all mankind.

.................Okay, I'll play devil's advocate here. Let's say the New Testament was altered to change our perspective of Jesus.

.............................How does that account for the same things being prophesied in the Old Testament?

.....I know. Nostradamus would say, "Duh, people tampered with the OLD TESTAMENT as well." Here's where Nos and other skeptics run into a huge brick wall.

I've made 2 threads about this already because I find it amazing. There is a process called ELS, equidistant letter sequencing, that decodes the ancient Hebrew text of the Old Testament by counting a certain pre-set # of letters until a word or message is found.

.....................In other words, the scholars or mathematicians start at a certain point in a text, then count a certain amount of letters over, and over equally again until a word or message is discovered.

.......................I know what you're thinking. You're thinking such a process will come up with words or phrases by chance, randomly. Let me tell you this is NOT THE CASE.

..........It is a virtual mathematical impossibility to encode hidden messages in a text and have them make sense. What makes this even more amazing is that, remember, the story you're reading makes sense in itself. Example: In the book of Genesis, you may be reading about how Noah built the ark. But, underneath the surface text, ELS has uncovered hundreds of messages and prophesies that foretell human events throughout history.

....................Think about this.................Many of the prophecies uncovered using ELS pertain to Jesus and his role as the savior of mankind. How could this be consistent across the board if someone tampered with the text? In other words, using ELS, scientists and theologians have found prophecies concerning Jesus in the Torah, the book of Isaiah, Daniel, and many other books of the bible that were written in different time spans!

.......................Quantum Physicists have studied this code and agree that no man ANYWHERE is intelligent enough to maintain the surface stories that you can see, but then embed these hidden "BIBLE CODES" throughout the old testament in various books and have them attest to the same thing, that GOD EXISTS!

.............................National Security Agency encoders have studied this code....Quantum Physicists, Mathematicians, Theologians, and scholars have studied and used this code. They all agree with one thing. IT WORKS AND EXISTS!


OH WAIT...One more thing. When Jesus was crucified, as it's documented in the New Testament, Pontious Pilate (the governor of Judea) who signed-off on Jesus' execution wrote his "crime" on top of the cross.

It read: "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews."

....When scholars ran ELS on this part of Scripture, the following letters turned up, "YHWH"...We know that that's the name for God himself!!!!!!!! We call it Yaweh.

To hit home how impossible it is for man to fabricate this phenomenon, and quite frankly, PROOF that God was the main author of the bible, consider the following:

When super computers run ELS on the ancient scriptures, it isn't skipping around letters to form a message. NO.

Here's what it does.

Let's say the starting point is the in the book of Isaiah, the prophet. The person running ELS can set the computer to skip as many letters equidistantly as he wants. The prophesy of the assasination of Yitzak Rabin was discovered after skipping every 4772 letter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW...Now, you tell me, how could anyone purposed embedd the name YITZAK RABIN in the text every 4772nd letter, but still have the surface text align with other scripture? I'll tell you, THEY CAN'T. Scientists agree with that. The say the math makes it impossible. And, some of the greatest minds of all time believed in the bible and studied the possibility of these "Bible Codes" including Sir Isaac Newton! Now Nos, I know you're not asserting that you're more intelligent than Isaac Newton. Are you?


The bible was written by people of God who were divinely inspired by The Holy Spirit. The book of 2 Timothy in the New Testament says, "All scipture is given by inspiration of God..."

ELS doesn't prove it. It confirms it.



PERIOD.

all i can say is damn....but i guarantee people who just wont accept it are looking up every possible resource to try to have something to say against this.....

Oh you know it...

Good luck...even quantum physicists have run this and agree that it's real...

So, it all comes down to people blindly rejecting truth because of their hard hearts and stiff-necked/rebellious nature.

Sounds like Pharoah...and we all know what happened to him



Jesus is Lord.

Whoa...

Good stuff.

Like I said before. The bible is true, because it's old. Old stuff= Always true.

Yea...and, like I was telling you man, some skeptics are now attempting to even debunk this by saying it's a matter of chance. Well, most would agree that a short "word" or "message" could be arguable. However, using ELS, the longest code to date has been found, a 296 character account of the life of Shimon Peres. Now, you tell me, how can something written thousands of years ago contain coded information about someone who is still alive today? Shimon Peres was the Prime Minister of Israel. The odds of finding this type of coded message in a non-coded text by chance are 1 in 200, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000. One analogy I like is, that's like burying a painted grain of sand on the beach, blindfolding someone, then, they pick out that one grain you buried on the first try. Theoretically possible, but a virtual impossibility.

Then, there are skeptics who are attempting to say that ELS will provide this same "phenomenon" if you run variations of it on any book, say "The Cat and the Hat." Some physicists have done it and come up with randoms words, but mostly gibberish. You can not account for the fact that the codes found in the bible are prophetic. That's what makes them miraculous! Most of those so-called scientists are using erroneous variations of ELS to force-fit their theory to discredit the research. To date, they are higly unsuccessful.


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It's a mathematical impossibility to create a matrix of encoded text by purposely sticking letters in text, then having more encoded text Intersect that like a crossword puzzle would. On top of that, having the message make sense and be prophetic. On top of that, some messages align with other bible codes found in other books of the old testament authored by different people. You can not fabricate that bro, and scientists/mathematicians agree.

Listen to what you're suggesting. Moses wrote the Torah...You're claiming that he had the intelligence to write stories in the bible, but then every 4772nd letter, in sert ONE LETTER, then continue writing...Then, every 4772 letter, insert another letter. Then, ontop of that, intersect that message with dates and facts that prophecy what happens in that person's life?

Nah...not happening...On top of all that, the surface text makes sense and in many cases, parallel accounts found in other books written by different people.


You're talking a mathematical impossibility...That's an intelligence man doesn't have...Now, quantum physicists have said this.

well damn...

Your lying through your teeth..

To date no bible code has been proven to the point where it is impossible to occur by chance.

And hold up man.. Are you trying to say that everyone agrees that someone cant write a book and count their letters to a large amount moulding in the approapriate letter in a certain pattern?

Are you joking? Nobody in his right mind would agree with that.. People have achieved WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more amazing things than this with language.. People have orchastrated WAAAAAAAAAAAAY more intricate hoaxes aswell..

There have been other smaller mathematical codes in the bible, but nothing on the scale your trying to talk about...

And this still proves absolutly jack shit... The bible could have just as well had these things implemented in its full form dumbass...

Q, dont use words like PROOF when you dont actually have any to speak of............

Your such a simpleton man I swear..

You can fool others with your nonsense.. But it doesent work on me..
And I know you hate that...

And what I hate is that you talk shit about everybody on here, thinking that you know absolulety everything.

You ain't a prophet man, or anything. Your a drunken Australian who's trying to rap.

Don't be stubborn to other people's opinions.

Wow! this shit's gettin' confusing....................

Case closed.













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Listen man..
You have some really messed up mis-conceptions towards my views of the bible.
And its not that I'm wrong with anything I say.

Its that your in way over your head... You talk on what you think you know. But in reality, nothing is certain. What your religion tells you is nothing more than metaphorical speculation. God has a plan for the world, because the world in itself works like that of a finly tuned machine of cause and effect.

Half the things you believe are just a fairy tale buffing up the story which has evolved from older belief's through the course of history..

The reason me and you are different lies in the way you stick with one mainstream religion and believe it whole heartedly, and I look at all religion as a larger picture of human nature in effect.

There is no true religion. And despite what you want to think.. You were not alive 2000 years ago.. So nothing you say about Jesus is 100% fact. It is simply what you are told by your religion.

This doesent discredit their information. It just means that dont take anything for granted as being certain. That is a human imperfection.

The bible to me is a historical document. That is how I see it. The Quran to me, is a historical document. Nothing more, nothing less..

I am not a critic in the way you say I am as I have commended the bible countless times for its great life philosophys and fabels.

And by the way.. Dont ever try and talk to me about great philosophers and scientists that believe in your religion.. Because you neglect the countless hundreds of great philosophers and scientists that compleatly reject your religions belief's and scriptures.. Which is a great deal more than what I personally am doing..

Talk shit on everybody here?

Umm let me check......

..........No I dont...

.......And btw dipshit.... Dont talk about me in that way when your the fucken suicidal shitty fantasy author who occaisionally tries tonShh tryyyppee liiieeek diiiiiizzz and make threads about how your drunk and you just had to come to rapverse to tell everyone...

Step the fuck off cockmaster...
Just cause your buddy the q is in an argument doesent mean you have a responsibility to come in here and ride his nob...

Unless you got something worth saying... Piss off...

Well, Bible Codes have been proven by mathematicians and scholars and their work published in journals...Even before that, theologians have tinkered with the idea of there possibly being hidden messages in the Torah. They just lacked what we have now, COMPUTERS!

Here's one such published journal.

http://www.torahcodes.co.il/wrr1/wrr1.htm


P.S. Many atheists have since become believers through studying this process. God is good!

^^Enjoy...

The new testament talks about Jesus in the same idolsitic regard the old testament does? That's not that hard to do, seeing that the "Old Testament" came first and was read before the "The New Testament" came. No big mystery there.

and LMAO @" Quantum Physisyts studying anytihng in the bible when Quantum Physics has nothing to do with counting letters, since it's the study of space time, time travel, dimensions etc. LMAO "Macrobiologists studied it!" lmao, I think you're making that shit up.

But regardless, whats that prove about the bible seeing that the version you're relying on isn't even the origiinal language the "Bible" was written in? The original bible is in aramaic, not "The Kings English" where words like "ye" and "hath" exist, and when you're translating something that's not even publically available, you can plug in what ever you'd like and write it in what ever style you want. Who would ever know?

Cmon man, use your head. The phrases and names you're talking about are in English. The original bible contains zero english characters seeing that English wasn't even invented yet AND aramaic uses words and phrases that we don't even have in the English language. So how could any part of the original Bible have any of this in there?


So what was your point agian? Somebody who re-wrote the bible put their own stuff in? Great.

And for the record, no one "PROVED" anything as you keep trying to beat people over the head with. They found it. That's as misguided as you saying you PROVED that there are letters in my post, when all you did was find it.

And technically they didnt' even find it, a computer did.


Turn the output down on that bullshit cannon.

why dont u practice what u preach n stop takin it up the ass

Atheists vs. Believers = the NEW Blacks vs. Whites

Say that one more time boy!


It's funny because fasle docrines, pagan worship, idolatry, and atheism are as old as mankind itself. Even during the times of Christ, and after the establishment of his Church, there were cults and false doctrines that denied his Deity. There were 50 foot statues to the Zeus, and rampant worship of Jezebel, Dianna, and Caesar. Denying Christ is nothing new. I just thank God that in the face of this current wave of technological breakthrough, we've been able to untap the hidden codes that are proven to be in the bible, the SIGNATURE OF GOD HIMSELF!

**counts the amount of erroneous/incorrect statements in your post**

The bible was not written in ARAMAIC...The old testament was written in Hebrew. Aramaic was a mixed language, including elements of Hebrew. But, the Old testament only partly written in Aramic, MOSTLY in Hebrew.

#1...ELS is used on the original Hebrew text, not the english text.


#2...Early scholars that copied the original Torah believed so much that it was inspired by God, that they painstakingly duplicated it to ensure it the accuracy of the text. To date, experts agree that of all the times the bible has been transcribed, there are only 9 or so character alterations, not enough to deny the validity of HUNDREDS, HUNDREDS of encoded messages that have been found by theologians, scholars, mathematicians, and physicists.

#3...The Old testament contains hidden codes that ELS has uncovered that foreshadow the coming of Christ. Jesus fulfilled these prophesies.


#4...Quantum physicists and mathematicians are good with numbers. They, as well as Decoders from the N.S.A, have studied ELS and concluded it's real.


#5...The idea of ELS isn't new. Again, even Sir ISaac Newton studied ELS. But, he was not successful because he didn't have the convenience of super computers to run the sequences.

#6...Read what I said again. It's painfully obvious you didn't because everything I corrected about your comments, I stated in my original post.



eh ehh.

through time books where copied by hand... some things where translated wrong when copied... jesus prolly was a person but a messiah i highly doubt

Bro...the scholars doing this research are experts in Hebrew. Again, ELS is performed on the ancient Hebrew text, not the English translations.

Also, the skeptics who have run ELS on english written books, some of which have nothing to do with religion, have come up with gibberish or random words sparingly. This is comparing apples to BOATS when it comes to Bible Codes. The bible codes give names and circumstances that History has proven correct. One of the most out-spoken critics of ELS, Thomas somebody, ran a duplicate experiment on the book "War and Peace" and generated random words using his version of ELS. The problem was, he did not use the technique that has generated codes found in multiple texts throughout the torah.


Simply put, bible codes are too complex to exist through chance. And, the original Hebrew text has not been manipulated.

rofl...

but in reguards to this bible shit, honestly you have to realize the possibility that the bible can be both either true or from a metaphorical standpoint, science and religion DO NOT mix, and since you werent living in those times you just cant say something happened, how do you know if people back then meant different things in their hidden text they put or whatever, then the researchers of today see it and it might mean something different then what it was supposed to be, you just dont know, theres always gonna be plotholes with everything im not saying you're right or wrong but that theres always a possiblity of it going either way.

Bible Codes exist. We know that. What they mean can be debated until the cows come home. But, from research done by scholars, scientists, and mathematicians, hundreds of messages--some of which include modern issues--have arisen from the depths of the bible using ELS. The odds of these messages randomly appearing through chance are a virtual mathematic impossibility. The people who authored the OlD Testament could never embedd hidden codes in this manner because to do so would mean overcoming a mathematical impossibility. They'd have to author accounts that are often verified in other books of the bible, then, beneath that text, encode hidden messages that make sense, and are prophetic in NATURE!

ElS has uncovered prophesies in the bible that predicted 9/11, Sadam Hussein, Iraq war, the mooon landing, and even the election of George Bush.

There's no way someone 3000 years ago would know about WW2 or the gas hitler would use to kill Jews.

Not only does the bible disagree with you, but so do physicists, mathematicians, and theologians. Even if Moses was "clever" enough to encoded THOUSANDS of hidden messages in the Torah, how does that explain how they mentioned events that happened in the 21st century--i.e., 9/11, and in the 20th century, Hitler?




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In the example of yitzak Rabin, it gave his exact name and the year of his execution from the original Hebrew. Drosnin even wrote a letter to Rabin warning him of what he had discovered through ELS. But, I can imagine how Rabin and his top officials would have ignored this. There's a code that predicts Bush's assasination as well. Imagine if I or someone else sent him a letter saying, "There's a prophecy in the bible that you're going to be assasinated." I guarantee you he'd go about his business as usual. But, when God speaks, things happen.

It's eerie because I got a premonition that he wouldn't make it to the end of his current term. I pray that I'm wrong though. I don't wish death upon anyone. The bible code discovered concerning him says that Bush will die by terror and the word assasination intersects his name, as it did with Rabin. It also says how his wife will die.






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i wanna see the EXACT text of the prophecies, cuz anything can be related to something else, it matters on how close it says it.

Here's how you shoot your self in the foot Q.



The name you Cited "YITZAK RABIN" consists of english letters: Y-I-T-Z-A-K AND R-A-B-I AND N. NNNOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEE of these characters exist in Hebrew, so how could it have spelled out ANYTHING in English which is a completely different language entirely with completely different characters. Especially when english wasn't even invented yet!!!

That's common sense man. Or sould I say not-so-common sense.



FALSE!! The bible you are reading has thousands of words that were never included in the original bible since they weren't part of the original langnage. Like "ye" "hath" "doth" and so many more since A: they didn't exist at the time and B: exist only in a completely different language. Aramaic has words and phrases that don't even exist in the english language, so direct translation would be IMPOSSIBLE. Why do I feel like I'm repeating my self? Oh yeah..I am.



This is nice, but once again proves absolutely jack shit for the reasons already listed above. "Proving that ELS is real" is no harder than proving that the words in this post are real<--------coulda swore I already said that whne I first posted here. All you have to do is simply look at it. What you're not looking at is the source of ELS which is from translators completely irrelevant to the original writings.


Try again.

Apparently, you didn't read. I said I "got" a premonition about it. Premonition as in gut feeling/sixth sense sensation. But, regardless of that, I believe in prophesies. I've had visions through dreams about certain things. But, I won't go into that.




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The names in Hebrew discovered through ELS often came with dates and locations. Now, tell me that dates and locations are the only thing that can be interpreted from Hebrew to another language.

#2...What does the bible I read have to do with them running ELS on the ORIGINAL HEBREW Torah? Nothing. King James translated the bible to honor HIMSELF. That is only ONE version out of many english translations of the original Hebrew. Acutally, few people read the King James' Version anymore. Most people I know read the NIV version or the New KJV, which eliminates the "old english" style of writing.


#3...Bible codes have been proven to exist through the use of ELS by mathematicians, physicists, scholars, and even Sir Isaac Newton himself--who theorized they existed but couldn't prove it without the assistance of computers. Bible codes are real. We know that. Now, what they mean can be debated until the cows come home. So, I'll pose the question to you that I posed to NOS. Are you, Apexx, telling me that you're smarter than Isaac Newton who not only said Bible Codes exist, but dedicated MOST of his writings to bible prophesies.


#4...The original text in the Torah is as pure as you can get. These scholars and scientists who run ELS are often experts in Hebrew. The english translation of the bible is not used to run ELS.




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^^And that's the end of that.

BTW, I noticed you "conveniently" forgot to show where "Quantum Physicists" had any hand in any of this after I called you on your bullshit. You think I forgot?

Ironic that you want to champion the validity of Science when it enforces something you want to believe, but as soon as it shows that something that you believe could not be possible, you flip into "oh man, Science dosen't know anything!!"


Make up your your lie already.

Moby Dick had ELS in it and I could name a few more !!

Also the first test for ELS was flowed the Hebrew language is flexible as far
as spelling things go. And each Rabbi had several different nicknames, no
special care was taken when looking in to this !!!

Need I go on ???

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