Crucified on a Cross?
 

The "Bible" states that Jesus was crucified on a cross. But it also states that he was hung from a tree.

Acts 30-31
30The God of our fathers raised Jesus from the dead—whom you had killed by hanging him on a tree. 31God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel.

so what gives?

Galatians 3:13


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Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:


^^^Paul references an old testament scripture that was a prophetic foreshadowing of Jesus' crucifixion. Being nailed to a cross was a symbol of being guilty of some crime, or wrong doing. Jesus' death was atonement for mankind's sin. So, dying on the cross represented the "crimes of sin" man had committed.

The wood used was from the dogwood tree. Also, when Jesus and others were nailed to the cross, their appendages were also tied to it. Jesus would have been hung with his arms above his head.

There is no contradiction here, just reaffirmation of what scripture says. But, a bible bashing pagan won't see it that way, will they?



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^^So you're saying that Jesus was cursed since he was hung from a tree? Your own Bible says this, no? Actually, yeah, you quoted it right here:



which coincides with:



Now the Bible is saying that Jesus is cursed?

YES...Jesus became a curse for us by dying on that cross...I bet you don't know what happened after he breathed his last breath on the cross, validating what Galatians 3:13 said. Jesus died for a purpose. It's deeper than what type of wood he hung from. Atonement had to be made. Now, I'm asking you, do you know what happened the MOMENT he "gave up the ghost"?

Hold up lmao, now you're saying that the moment that Jesus died that he became a curse for humanity??? I could have sworn that's what you meant whne you said this: "YES...Jesus became a curse for us by dying on that cross"

That's funny, because the bible says tht Jesus died for your sins so that your slate would be wiped clean, which completely contradicts with "Jesus becoming a curse" like you just said.

And speculating on what you read happened after Jesus died on the cross is still completely irelevant to him dying by being hung from a tree. So which is it?

I KNOW you're not trying to say he was hung from a tree, then ressurected him self, then died on the cross and ressurected himself AGAIN right??

Ahhhh...No no no...I didn't say he "became a curse" the moment he "died." I'm saying that Christ became a curse for mankind by being crucified in the first place. As Galatians 3:13 states, "cursed is everyone that hangs from a tree." And, what happened after Christ breathed his last breath is important to establishing his mission for coming and dying in the first place. Remember, being crucified meant that you were "guilty" of a crime. And, knowing that Jesus was innocent, that's supports the scriptures' assertions that he became "a curse" for us, dying in our place. We're the guilty ones because of sin. His death represented atonement for that sin. And, I'm not talking about being resurrected. That was a few days later. So, again, I ask you. What happened, in the spirit realm, the moment Christ "yielded the ghost"?



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God damnit, here we go again.

Bro according to your Bible, Jesus was crucified and died on the cross, then his corpse was taken down, cleaned, and buried in a cave where he came back to life 3 days later, so what the FUCK are you talking about??

Now you're saying that because jesus was crucified and died on the cross he became a curse for humanity? HOW? Youre quoting Galatians 3:13 which discusses being hanged - which has absolutely nothign to do with crucifiction what so ever, so WTF are you talking about???

Or are you saying he didn't REALLY die on the cross and that the Bible is lying.

son you're over the deep end. And still don't answer WTF is up with the Bible saying that Jesus died from being hanged. You're trying to connect two events (jesus dying by hanging vs. jesus dying by crucifiction) that both contrast one another, so of course what you're saying dosen't make ANY sense.

Hanging from a tree, being impaled to a tree, whatever. Norse mythology says Odin sacrificed himself to himself, god to god, to gain the power of the runes...and Jesus sacrificed himself so he could give us power to repent...and both hung for the sake of the continuation of the world, Odin's sacrifice for the runes to ward off the Ragnarok as long as he could.

Are you asking if he hanged, as if he had a noose around his neck? Or as if he was impaled onto a cross? Don't quote me on this, but I've read the original was written in aramaic and the exact thought of whether he hung on a cross or a tree is disputed...whatever.

Semantics...What's funny is, the bible tells believers to avoid foolish questions like these because they only serve to distort and twist the true message of God's salvation. That's in the book of Titus. The technique of Jesus' execution was called crucifixtion. Contrary to the "T" you see depicted in pictures, Christ was more likey crucified on a "l".

Now, I'm quite sure you've heard the term HUNG from the cross. The "cross" was nothing more than a big tree trunk from the Dogwood tree. Therefore, Jesus did "hang" from a tree as much as a picture "hangs" from a wall when you NAIL it to it. Don't try to twist the context of the text because of semantics. Christ represented the "sacrificial lamb" that serves as atonement for all mankind. As Gal. 3:13 points out, he became the curse for us, dying in our stead. So, your fixation on "hanging" and "being crucified" is a moot and quite trivial point. It all refers to the same thing.

Also, you still haven't answered my question. What happened the moment Jesus died in the SPirit realm?



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^^when one says "Hanged" it reffers to you being suspended by your neck till you asphyxiate and die. Not you being suspended from a tree like someone tied you there and you died over time.

Even if that were the context, which it obviously is not, that would still be a completely different fate than dying on a cross so it STILL conflicts.

The bible sure does tell people to ignore the obvious flaws and hypocracy alot. Lol

Like I said SEMANTICS...If I'm holding onto a rope and my feet are dangling, I'm said to be HANGING. You can't be serious. Jesus was nailed to a cross and his hands bound in a position stretched over his head. HE HUNG THERE. I'm not going to argue a moot/trivial semantic point with you when the context of the scripture is clear.


Again, a bible bashing pagan won't see it that way.


Read the book of Titus.

Show me where it says "Ignore the flaws in here."


Making aggregious statements about the bible isn't well informed bro.

Apexx, here's the reason I'm done running in circles with you on this trivial point.

Titus 3 says

9But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

10A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

11Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.



^^That represents you. Tomato...Tomaaaatoeee...The context is understood...You are a bible bashing pagan who only seeks to distort the truth.

So, enjoy arguing a moot point by yourself. When you're ready to discuss something of substance, I'll return.



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Walk by faith not by sight


obviously that means just have faith in it despite what it looks like :bored:

In spite of what my situation looks like bro...If I become ill, walking by faith means that I see what the bible says in Isaiah 53:5

"By his stripes we are healed"


If I'm broke...Then, walking by faith means adhering to Phillipians 4:19 that says "But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches and glory."

Whatever the situation, walking by Faith means trusting in God despite what it looks like.


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The way your "savior" dies in your own book of "salvation" is Semantics lmao. ok. You're the one arguing that Jesus became a curse for humanity when he died, and when pressed to prove that, you duck the issue completely. Like you're doing right now and will be doing in your next post.

BTW, tree trunks don't grow in the shape of "crosses" and contain no "cross"-over of any pieces to even be considered a "cross" so what you're saying is bullshit. If that were true and you were right, the "crucifix" you see would be a tree trunk, instead of 2 planks of wood.

Additionally, if Jesus were crucified on an "I" shaped plank of wood, why does your religion wear a symbol shaped like a "T"?

Once agian, you're trying to connect two things that are completely contradicting so of course you look rediculous.

And I'm not going to answer any question about what happened to Jesus in "The spirit realm" as you call it since you don't even know how or when he died with any accuracy what so ever, far less know what happened thereafter - according to someone elses telling of it.

Word.













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The bible honestly has the best ideas morally, but I'm not sure if its true. I'm kinda scared if we did lose religion's influence then the world would be completly fucked up. So its like, I wanna teach my kids morals, not just religion. It's like people can't tell ppl this shit without scaring them.

Well...I find this interesting bro. And, unless you're going somewhere, I'll have a discussin with you because Apexx needs a time out.

Neway...For every thing you want to accomplish in life, the bible has the answer. The book of proverbs alone has the answer to MOST of life's questions.

Come on..Test me...Ask me something about life and I can tell you what the bible has to say about it...It works man...

^^That's walking by faith and not by sight...If I walked by sight, I would have been killed myself. I've gone through some tough times. I've been in spots where I didn't know where my next meal was coming from. God has never let me down. He always comes around and provides, ALWAYS.

Rofl. Seriously dood.

You haven't been able to verfiy one bit of any of your statements in this thread, from you saying that Jesus became a curse for humanity when he died, to the crucfix being a tree trunk, to jesus not dying on any cross at all - all of which go against what is said in the bible - and now you call me a heretic and a pagan?

Anybody else see something wrong with this picture?:huh:

The mathematical formula used to determine the area inside a pentadodecahedron

wasnt that cross made of wood, and where does wood come from? DUH!!

People need to stop trying to think of big ass explanations and go with the simple logical one

Co sign...

semantics bro...tryna distort the bible by askin pointless/moot questions

The cross was made of Dogwood from the Dogwood TREE!

People who were nailed to crosses, HUNG from them.

so if I smack you in the mouth with a wooden bat, that's the same as me smacking you in the mouth with a tree??
DUH!!

Use your head man.

Yeah I was reading proverbs earlier and I highlighted 9239402139320938932498 of the lines.

And once again for those trying to distort what is really being said, The scripture quotes:

30The God of our fathers raised Jesus from the dead—whom you had killed by hanging him on a tree.

Jesus died on the crucifix from his wounds, such as the stab in the ribs by the soldiers spear. NOT from him 'just hanging there', especially seeing that he wasn't HANGING since his weight was completely supported by the nails. How do you not know this??

Further more, two pieces of wood that CROSS is not a "tree", just as the wooden supports for a guillotine is not a "tree", just as the wooden frame of an electric chair is not a "tree", so who's trying to twist what now?


cmon man, THINK!

Its a metaphor. Of course the "cross" that Jesus was hung on is made out of wood. Wood - > Tree.......see the connection. "Hung on the cross", "Hung on a tree"....same thing. Just a use of metaphor.

Apparently, bible bashing pagans don't use metaphors.








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God damnit, here we go again.

^^this point was dispelled in the last two posts on the prior page. What you're talking about is not a tree simply because it was made from one, in no more a way that Bat is a tree or a Guillotine is a tree, nor the wooden structure of an electric chair is a tree.




You continually fail to show any logic in what you're saying - especially when your account of things is contradicting with the bible - your supposed "source". You just keep agreeing with anyone who chimes in in short sight, though still avoid the topic and prove absolutely nothing in the process.

BTW, stop trying to paint me as a Pagan simply because you're making an ass of your self. I'm far from a Pagan. But that's pretty ironic, coming from someone who says "Jesus is a curse on humanity" :rolleyes:

But entertain me with more of your stories and tell me again how Jesus died and became a curse on humanity again. LMAO

Oh wait, I pinned you down on your own bullshit agian. That means you're about to do what you always do about this time.

Clutch your pearls, and RUUNN!!!

Q....For a Christians Im ashamed of you. Dont you know better than to throw pearls before a swine. But yeah I agree with Q. Apexx no beef but, your greatly twisting the words of a bible nit picking at everyword. And the bible(proverbs) has answers to "life's" questions. Not those made by man. Asking that mathmatical question to be answerd by the bible is like asking for mathmatical solutions in a english book. But i shall leave this thread for ten minutes and be back to check reponses.


There is ignorance afoot here

How am I "nit picking" by looking for meaning? By not accepting everything I read on face value and asking questions, I'm nit picking? Cmon man, you gotta be jokin. Prove me wrong, then you'll make sense. Don't try to judge who I am.

I'll be damned if I'll take judgements from a dude who says he lives in "Niggaville". :rolleyes:

You're right. Ignorance IS afoot.

Don't quote me either plz. Cuz yes i am a christian. And a beleiver and know alil bit of the bible. I dont study it yet i take heed of its lessons. I know that you can't give a homeless bum top secret military plans and formulas and expect them to understand and cope with a the information. Just like you cant give a non-beleiver who is not intune with christanity and the bible, biblical verses and expect them to cope with it and understand. You shouldn't just take one peice of the bible and exploid it trying to get answers then deny the answers you get. I guareentee you you will not come close to understanding anything in the bible by not reading all of it. You got to read and study it to understand and comprehend the information it holds. Doing that is like taking a peice of reciepe and using only that peice and expecting to get the whole thing in its glory. Which will not happen.

Yeah i put that down like when i first joined this site. And have not went back to change it. So plz dont try to use something i jotted down from a song i liked way back when to prove my ignorance.

What answers? all I heard was people doing the same thing they always do and say that when the bible contradicts it self, the statement isn't literal. That's the norm.


BTW, you DO know that I already read the entire Bible cover to cover when I was catholic right?

Don't get it fucked up son. I been where you're at.



Why not? You said it and didn't do a thing about it, either then OR now. Then you want to call me ignorant. But ok ok..I'll be nice. I could point out the same thing in your sig or the fact that your name intentionally sounds like a champagne glorified in rap videos. Yeah...you're real deep...

Like I said man, don't go pointing fingers. Prove anything I'm saying wrong, then we'll be getting somewhere. Making assumptions about who you think I am is a bad idea.

Ok First Name Chris....Last name Styles. Christopher Damion Micheal Styles. I dont see whats the problem of me putting my actual name on here and just Shortening the first name and droppin the S for a Z. And just because you read something dosent mean you fully taken in the information. like today. I read chapter 8.1 to 8.7 in my Honors Cal book. And im still lost on the subject.