Did Biggie re-define what makes an ill emcee?
 

I'm listening to his song "Suicidal Thoughts" and I have to say it's one of his illest songs.

He uses an extremely "simple" rhyme scheme:

When I die, fuck it, I wanna go to hell
Cuz Imma piece of shit, it ain't hard to fuckin tell


^^If someone dropped that on RV or another rap board, I think the reply would be, "Lyrics weren't all that good and the rhyming was simple." Yet, when Biggie flows it, it takes on a life of its own. It's amazing.

If you haven't heard "Suicidal Thoughts", DL IT NOW.



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kinda tha same wif Eazy. n werd @ Law's quote in yo sig -_- lmao, werd

that track is solid, I think what make it effective is the fact that its lyrics coming from a deceased legend.

Having released,him saying..
When I die, fuck it, I wanna go to hell
Cuz Imma piece of shit, it ain't hard to fuckin tell

After he died, would not have been anywere near effective if that came out while he was alive. The fact that he's dead,makes it like , Woah! Dukes dead,and were hearing him say he wants go to hell.
feel?

Nope. Biggie didn't redefine jack shit. You hear his emotion in his lyrics cuz he mastered the instrument known as his voice.

That's all.

Tru dat...HIs delivery carried him a looong way...That's not to say he didn't have dope metas and lyrics. but, yea, I agree there...I believe Puff said the same thing about Big's voice...His delivery of his lyrics were intoxicating.


I mean...wow

Then, Puff messed this track up, IMO, putting it on DUETS to that Marley joint...It just wasn't the same to me...THis song gave me chills...That song was eehhhh

lol ^.. yea but Q.. lyrics arnt all bout complex rhymes, its bout the meaning u put into it.. i think thats wut u mean? lol yea.. lot of people in RV would consider it whack.. like my latest song the lyrics are sorta simple, but lines ha alot of emotion, n realness that makes the listener forget bout the need of good vocab.. cuz they can feel wut im sayin u know?? but yea.. biggie's good.. he's jst waaaaaaaaaay over rated...

^^Actually, that song came out when Big was alive. But yea, solid joint.

No, but he did redefine what makes an emcee overrated.

this should be in hip hop talk.

i kno....right







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personaly for me big pun redefined what makes a ill mc

biggie's shit is classic...period.....who was over rated if u ask me?2pac
pun was ill too

^ pun is better than biggie as far as complexity

lmao....word.....

i love this song...when i get depressed i listen to this song over and over again...prolly not really a good thing, but meh...

ayo Q, check the shirt i got off ebay and arrived last week...its from the song "Respect" if you all didnt know...and yeah...some of the lyrics are altered to fit the shirt/be politically correct

i prefer biggie over pun,but i like both.....

^what you must be crazy u must not own a copy of capital punshiment

actually i do...but,i just love biggie's style....what can i say...but pun's in my top 5

Puns flow was ridiculous...But, his delivery was sub par compared to Biggie's.






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what are you talking about listen to "john blaze"
and he is allso more inavative with his lyrics


pun has the best delivery

i always wondered how pun managed to spit like that weighin 7 bills ....i thought fat ppl get breathless...

he could think like a mutha fucka
and his alliteration is out of this world

well that, as they say, is that

~goodnight~

pun n big are both good...beyond that,its just personal preference,n ...in my opinion biggie made better songs

you know nothing pun has the best flow its out of this world

that i cant deny that was biggie best skill he was catchy as a motherfucker

but pun would murk big in a battle

Pun's delivery borders on monotonous, like Papoose's. After a while, it gets tiresome.

You must not know that Biggie was a battle emcee.



Have you seen that BedStuy Freestyle when Big was 17?

ridiculous...Man was sick..He makes the guy he was dissin walk away...lol

sick





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just cause he had one battle doesn't mean shit
have you heard pun freestyle
he had punches
were as biggie frestyles and doesn't have punches

Pun took his entire style from Kool G Rap son. :nono:

Betta ask somebody.

no because there were people better then biggie in 1996, and rakim was 100x better then him in 1987

...i wouldnt agree with that at all

Rakim?

Now, there's someone who was overrated.












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How do you figure that?

did BIG redifine what makes an ill emcee? no way. dont get me wrong, BIGs one of my favorite rappers, he was definately nice. but having the ability to spit simple type shit and make it sound nice isn't anything new. people have been doing that since the begining. just say what you gotta say, and have it rhyme at the same time.look at basically all the old old school rappers...like, from 79-85...tell me how complex their verses were...then EPMD, Tribe,2Pac old Ice Cube...Public Enemy....Slick Rick.you get my point, none of them had the most complex verses, it's more their delivery and flow. his delivery and flow is more what made him a great, it's the same thing with alot of greats. he was original... had his own style... and could spit... that doesnt mean you're redefining anything. he's a great... he didnt redifine what an ill emcee is...

Honestly, it's because of a vocal technique that he used called sympathetic tone. That's all.

Ask Tupac and 'Dear Mama' about it.

LMFAO @ saying Rakim is overrated. Are you fucking kidding me?

..so let me get this straight...biggie is a "wack mc" ....n let me guess,YOU'RE an ill mc right?
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