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Tha Q. 04-12-06 02:48 PM

Proof fired the first shot
 
http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Mus...d.ap/index.html













^^^^^^Check it out.

iWitness 04-12-06 02:55 PM

damn...he was one of my favourite..r.i.p

iWitness 04-12-06 03:03 PM

stupid of him to pull out a gun and shoot the bouncer tho..he shud have known there was gonna be consiquences..he leaves behind 5 kids right? damn..

Compose 04-12-06 03:04 PM

if you're threatened and gotta shoot first you gotta do what you gotta do =/

Tha Q. 04-12-06 03:16 PM

Again, my question is, why even be in that environment? Why is he carrying around a gun? Why do rappers feel like they have to prove their manhood/bravado through violence?

Of course, just like I stated yesterday, rappers/DJs/etc are defending hip hop by saying, "this doesn't mean it was rap related."

pssf...sure...My question to them is: "How many opera, country, pop, and jazz performers have been gunned down in the last 10 years"?

Rap breeds violence and Proof is its latest victim. RIP tho...

It's just sad man.

Another thing...I find it eerie that he depicted his death in Em's video for "Toy Soldiers." Like Pac and Big, I wonder if he had an obsession over death and became a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Who knows...

The rap industry had better be careful though. If things like this continue to happen, then the government will become involved, spying on rappers even more than they already do and imposing regulations on music.

^^That's what I think.

iWitness 04-12-06 03:24 PM

"Another thing...I find it eerie that he depicted his death in Em's video for "Toy Soldiers." Like Pac and Big, I wonder if he had an obsession over death and became a self-fulfillinf prophecy."

word..i thought this was weird aswell...even listening to his album `searching for jerry garcia` with songs such as "kurt cobain", he seems to be obsessed with death and suicide...

Compose 04-12-06 03:25 PM

i dont think the gov will do shit, how many white men over the age of 40 like rap? or even care about younger minorities in hip hop :-\ not many imo, and thats what the government is composed of, and just because proof had a gun doesnt mean he had it because it made him look cool or whatever, he had it for protection cuz he was in a bad area, i dont think the fact that he had a gun makes it seem like he had it cuz it was 'gangsta' type shit, and hes there cuz he prolly just like to hang out there =/ thats his choice, its not so smart to go back to a bad area when you're famous already but he did it anyway

Magic5 04-12-06 03:27 PM

This is the type of shit that happens when you pull a gun on somebody.

TeamOne 04-12-06 03:29 PM

his album already came out???????????

iWitness 04-12-06 03:38 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by TeamOne
his album already came out???????????


yup..."Searching for Jerry Garcia"..some of the tracks is tight..

Compose 04-12-06 03:49 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by PIMPIN aint easy
how many opera,country,pop and jazz performers are young males from the ghetto?????

lol good point, a lot of jazz people are from ghettos though, atleast older jazz from the 20s im guessing since it was mainly in harlem and shit

TeamOne 04-12-06 03:53 PM

i swear it wasnt suppose to come out until later this year........ did u buy it at a store or did u bootlegg it?

iWitness 04-12-06 03:55 PM

naa man, i bought it today in store...when did u think it would be out?

>>::StyleZ::<< 04-12-06 04:07 PM

what is it with peeps n their guns these days man!!!

Tha Q. 04-12-06 04:10 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by PIMPIN aint easy
how many opera,country,pop and jazz performers are young males from the ghetto?????



That's my point son. These guys are involved in rap and rap breeds violence. They can't leave it alone. So, to say violence and rap aren't intertwined is crazy.




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Sik Wit It 04-12-06 04:29 PM

R.I.P. Proof... damn son.

Mentor 04-12-06 04:35 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by iWitness
"Another thing...I find it eerie that he depicted his death in Em's video for "Toy Soldiers." Like Pac and Big, I wonder if he had an obsession over death and became a self-fulfillinf prophecy."

word..i thought this was weird aswell...even listening to his album `searching for jerry garcia` with songs such as "kurt cobain", he seems to be obsessed with death and suicide...


EXACTLY he did...there was his death in toy soldiers, and if you listen to his solo album "searchin for jerry garcia" that album is FULL of remarks bout his death and shit and even all of the booklet and shit is filled wit shit like that...everything

lol im not trying ta relate this to pac or sayin proof also faked his death or anything but isnt kind of a weird coincidence that he died at 4:30 a.m???
if u switch the last 2 numbers around it'll be 4:03 am
same time pac "died"

Mentor 04-12-06 04:38 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by PIMPIN aint easy
u take coincidences way to serious


lmao just sayin it is weird

Tha Q. 04-12-06 04:40 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by PIMPIN aint easy
rap and violence are intertwined but rap does not breed violence

look most of them are from the ghetto so no matter whether they like rap pop bill clinton football or watever they are automatically exposed to violence so naturally its apart of their lives

rap is an interest, a hobbie and wit sum is taken further to make a career out of it and rap is an extremly popular hobbie which alot of the youth are interested in and most in the ghetto are interested in so these people who are into rap are already exposed to violence and a rougher life, the rap does not expose them to it or make them violent its their surrounding and the way they where raised

come on rap breathes violence is a stupid comment thats like sayin yo-yo's breathe violence cause wen every1 was playin wit yo-yos they where all playin wit them in the hood aswell as a hobby just like rap is a hobby but i dont see very1 blamin the yo-yos for the violence in youth today

rap is just an easy target to blame



No...saying "yo yos" BREED violence is a dumb comment because yo yos aren't "art" in the media sense of the word.

This is the age old argument of: "Does life imitate art or art life?"


Rap is an artform. I believe that life imitates art. If it didn't, then why do we use music at all? Anyone who isn't a bonehead knows that music influences the way we think/feel.

Come on bro...

Rap and violence go hand and hand.

Mentor 04-12-06 04:43 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by PIMPIN aint easy
how many opera,country,pop and jazz performers are young males from the ghetto?????


this aint related ta rap but people like oprah winfrey is from the ghetto and oprah still is in the hood i mean i been outside of her set there be4 over in chicago a few years back...she was so poor she couldnt even afford a tv..but she lived in a hood filled wit violence and works today in an environment that is filled wit violence and she has nothing ta do wit rap at all yet she still living and aint shooting anybody or anything...if u ask me its rap that brings the drama...but we also speak alotta violence in rap too....since when has a jazz singer get in beef wit another jazz singer and start dissin them left and right in songs lmfao it dont happen but when u talk shit to a person they gon react most likely violently and rap is really the only genre of music where u can actually talk shit bout someone else in a song

Tha Q. 04-12-06 04:44 PM

OH

and yo yos don't send out messages either


so that was a stupid statement on your part bro

Use better analogies please...cuz that one is an insult to my intelligence

Mentor 04-12-06 04:51 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Compose
i dont think the gov will do shit, how many white men over the age of 40 like rap? or even care about younger minorities in hip hop :-\ not many imo, and thats what the government is composed of, and just because proof had a gun doesnt mean he had it because it made him look cool or whatever, he had it for protection cuz he was in a bad area, i dont think the fact that he had a gun makes it seem like he had it cuz it was 'gangsta' type shit, and hes there cuz he prolly just like to hang out there =/ thats his choice, its not so smart to go back to a bad area when you're famous already but he did it anyway


yea exactly government NEVER does shit for rappers when they die
i dont see why they dont it like they on the killers side fo real
i mean think about it they tell us they gon find the killer
when in real life they really dont give a fuck
yet instead of takin another person wit a gun off the street
they dont even bother trying cuz they hate rappers and gangstas
yet they dont bother ta arrest them thats fucked up

Mentor 04-12-06 04:52 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by PIMPIN aint easy
are most jazz singers youny males from the ghetto...........NO


how u know that u listen ta jazz?

Tha Q. 04-12-06 04:52 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by PIMPIN aint easy
really its just a cycle of the both imitating each other

and yes it imitates how we think and feel but it does not cause u to change your life, join a gang, carry a strap, kill n drug deal if so id be fuckin scared of middle class white boys

and yes they go hand in hand but u said rap breathes violence which it does not the violence is already in them before they ever knew about rap



Why do you keep typing that? I did not say rap BREATHES violence. I said rap BREEDS violence, which it does. Life imitates that artform, and vice versa. But, the question is, why would a rapper who's "made it" continue to act out the images often depicted in rap music?

hmmmm

Tha Q. 04-12-06 04:58 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by PIMPIN aint easy
BECAUSE IT MAKES THEM RICHER COME ON MAN U KNOW THAT VIOLENCE SELLS



And they pay the ultimate price as a result.


"If you live by the gun, you'll die by the gun."





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iWitness 04-12-06 05:02 PM

word...........

Ms. Get Gully 04-12-06 08:22 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ILL-usion
EXACTLY he did...there was his death in toy soldiers, and if you listen to his solo album "searchin for jerry garcia" that album is FULL of remarks bout his death and shit and even all of the booklet and shit is filled wit shit like that...everything

lol im not trying ta relate this to pac or sayin proof also faked his death or anything but isnt kind of a weird coincidence that he died at 4:30 a.m???
if u switch the last 2 numbers around it'll be 4:03 am
same time pac "died"

especially that kurt cobaine song...he says sometimes he wished he was dead:-/ and at the end of the song died.

Magic5 04-12-06 08:23 PM

Man, shut up with the conspiracies. Seriously.

Ms. Get Gully 04-12-06 08:29 PM

Quote:
Tupac said ''you motherfuckers thought i was dead. well when im rollin thru your hoods ull all get a bullet in the head'


Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyzrd
this is kind of intrestin



but than again thats if u belvie pac is alive
cuz it seem like everyone on Shady Records is gettin shot in the head u know but who the fuck knows just thought that might give ya'll something to talk bout




got this from another site..thought it was pretty far out there but interesting

Mentor 04-12-06 09:24 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDaM Merk
especially that kurt cobaine song...he says sometimes he wished he was dead:-/ and at the end of the song died.


and listen to the skit on track on #4 he dies in that too weirder yet in that skit somebody else shoots him

Sean Gunner 04-12-06 09:49 PM

Ok, for the last time Q.

He wasn't trying to prove anything. He probably went to one of his favorite clubs, in his home city, and wanted to have a fun night out. When you have some fame every place you go is going to be dangerous because of your fame,

It's like you leave behind your town because you are too 'good' for it. If I get famous, I'm gonna go where I feel at home. Whether it's Detroit or Beverly Hills, I want to be comfortable. Also, you carry a gun for protection because of the fame you have. People will kill you just so they are remembered throughout history as the guy who killed you.

Only the most famous people get shot randomly, and right now Hip Hop idols are the biggest thing and that's why they are being gunned down.

AutoMATIKā„¢ 04-12-06 09:54 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Q.
Again, my question is, why even be in that environment? Why is he carrying around a gun? Why do rappers feel like they have to prove their manhood/bravado through violence?

Of course, just like I stated yesterday, rappers/DJs/etc are defending hip hop by saying, "this doesn't mean it was rap related."

pssf...sure...My question to them is: "How many opera, country, pop, and jazz performers have been gunned down in the last 10 years"?

Rap breeds violence and Proof is its latest victim. RIP tho...

It's just sad man.

Another thing...I find it eerie that he depicted his death in Em's video for "Toy Soldiers." Like Pac and Big, I wonder if he had an obsession over death and became a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Who knows...

The rap industry had better be careful though. If things like this continue to happen, then the government will become involved, spying on rappers even more than they already do and imposing regulations on music.

^^That's what I think.



I 100% disagree.
Most rappers who go back and home visit the street and clubs they used to go to isnt because they want to prove manhood. I mean,it's dumb ... but thats where they grew up at,just cuz u got a little money dont mean u cant go back,it isnt the smart thing,but im sure he didnt do it to prove he's 'hard'

When u grow up around that shit (maybe u dont understand) it's not that easy to leave it all behind,no matter how much money u have.

Opera,jazz and country preformers dont go back home to the 'hood'. Because 95% of them didnt grow up around that,so why go?!

Thats my view on shit ...

Compose 04-12-06 10:07 PM

sup auto, ^ thats exactly what i was sayin, he just went to go back, nobodys trying to prove they're hard or whatever, he had a gun to protect himself, he felt threatened, its either kill or be killed, but someone else shot proof after he shot the first guy so lose lose situation i guess

(X)eed 04-13-06 03:13 AM

OUr own kind will kill ourselves..........


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