the diffrence between hip hop back then from today
 

damn i know im practicaly tellin u sumthin u already know but it never loses it's effect on me everytime this subject is brought up so i'll share it wit rv
just thought this shit was really true and mos def was really speaking the truth

Hip-Hop will never be what it once was, there's no getting around that. It began as a form of expression that was of us, for us, and by us in many ways that it will never be again. We watched it grow and bloom within our community, then saw it shift into the American mainstream, who now leases it to us with no option to buy (as a friend once put it). For those of us who saw this evolution and experienced both sides of it, Hip-Hop will never again mean to us what it once did.

From its birth in the 70's through much of the 80's, Hip-Hop was basically a self-contained entity within the community that created it. If you were an emcee stepping into the studio to make a record, your target audience was basically your own community.. you were one of us talking to us, and the value of your music came from how it resonated with our own shared experiences. There was no possibility of your song getting regular rotation on any radio station, or your video getting played anywhere but Ralph Mcdaniels' Video Music Box and local public access shows. No chance of your work being acknowledged by any such mainstream outlet, so you had no concern for making music to please those outside ears. All the criteria, all the parameters set for the expression came from within the community that created it. It was a means for us to communicate with ourselves.

But nowadays the playing field is completely different, and we have a completely different relationship with the music, both as producers and consumers. When someone steps into the studio now their success hinges on pleasing MTV, Clear Channel Radio, and the mainstream american consumers that these outlets have made hip-hop's primary audience. This audience is kids from outside of the community the music came from, who do not share the experiences that drive the music. As Mos Def says:




"The difference between '88 and '98 is that most of the people who were fans were also active in the culture in some way. In '88 you'd have kids watching Video Music Box in their living room, working out dance routines. That might seem real trivial, but that is a fan watching these videos to learn these dances created by people in their community, more likely than not, somebody that probably lived on their block. It was interactive. Now the average hip-hop fan is into hip-hop because they like watching somebody else live."

It's become much more of a spectator sport than a participant sport?

"Definitely. I mean, let's be real -- these white kids in the suburbs that buy their first Wu Tang record and lose their damn mind -- they could play an active part in the culture if they wanted to, but that's not why they bought that Wu Tang record. They bought that Wu Tang record to live out their fantasy of themselves as Raekwon or Ghost or Method or whoever. A lot of hip-hop nowadays seems like the primitive prototype for what virtual reality is going to be in the next few years -- live somebody else's life, feel somebody else's pain and frustration."




I don't feel the need to be as judgmental about those suburban white kids as Mos seems here, but the dynamic he describes is undeniably at play. In today's world the ideal hip-hop product is not one that rings true for those who shares the artists' experiences, but one that provides a vivid, cinematic fantasy for those who will never share the experiences conveyed. This has radically changed the creative process, or should I say the manufacturing process of hip-hop, much more than I think even most artists realize. We also touched on these issues in my interview with Q-Tip (click part 6).

Shut the fuck up faggot ass bitch I hope you die. Omfg I'ma pray to every religion that you do. Fuck you zach.

calm down indeph

:shocked: did i say sumthin wrong :shocked:

You sunk my battleship.

i ddin't read it...i have a phobia for long threads........

i'm imporiving with my rehab sessions though......

I read up to here and relised this is a fucking waste of my time.
Hip hop for SOME has lost its esence, but for alot of us, we still cherish and use the music aswell as the art forms for what they were orginally for.




^proof you copy'd and pasted this entire thing, nice one.

LOL ^

I wasnt gonna read this shit anyway, but lol @ biting interviews...

yea nice attempt at makin it look like i tried makin this my own interview if u dumbasses werent blind im obviously not gonna bite a interview wit mos def in it or anybody wit celebrity satus DUH...whoever fuckin said i tried makin this off as my own...u think ima just try ta bite an interview that has mod def in it??? obviously i copyied and pasted it..i didnt think i'd fuckin have ta tell u that ta get the picture

yeh my bad.

but um, calling me a dumbass? you sure you want to continue?

naww i didnt mean that just getting sick of people tryin ta downplay everything i do thats all.. :( no beef

yeh. But for real. One person feelings towards hip hop wont be another.

If your seriously feeling that hip hop is dead or about to be, then thats a problem within your own heart.

If your easily going to follow the trend of "raps dead" then thats on you, but if its alive in your soul, then how the fuck can it be dead?

im just sayin like not the art but the industry is dead, shit on mtv and thats coming out on cd and all these new artists thats coming out recently has all been wack, all the old emcees from the past is either dead or sold out
i mean the actual art of hip hop/rap will always be alive to the people who stay true to it but the rap industry is dead, the shit wont ever be the same anymore....come on now can u really compare rappers like mike jones and slim thug to the old eminem or old dr dre..can u really compare rappers like young jeezy and rick ross to biggie and pac??? or mobb deep's let's party to the days where they put out shook ones and all that....can u really compare em's just lose it to the way i am..or snoop's recent shit wit "whats my name"??? nawww the industry now days is dead literrally
some people might disagree but those the same kids that like rick ross and 50 cent and all of them

just wait for cuban LinX II is will revive hip hop

man.

dead is not the word your looking for. For rap to be "dead" there will have to no physical form of it and simply memorys.

death means gone, no more, deceased, never to return. Rap is far from "dead".

What your saying is rap is too glamorised, theres too much money behind it, theres alot of candy ass bullshit being made due to radio and airtime creating a huge amount of competition.
If rap was "dead" then there would be no need for rappers to sell out, we could simply keep makinbg music for us.

rap is not dead, rap is at a all time high in the way of commercial music success.

yea thats probably a better way of putting it...it's just not real no more

its real to me.

i dont even take notice of the mainstream. Who cares what they are doing. As long as it doesnt effect you and you stay true, then rap will allways have its real side.

theres real and fake in anything bro, just gotta make sure you knwo were you stand in life.

yea i feel what u sayin but thats why im so dissapointed is because mainstream is a way of gettin heard u know what i mean....u always hear bout people wanting ta get a major record deal so bad...kinda kills the excitement if u have ta be fake just cuz of what the A&R's want you ta be

well then you need to make the choice.

fame or stay real.

the way I see it, if you stay real and true to yourself, and do it properly with skill. Then you will be felt by those who matter to that style of music.


the ones seling out are tryna impress corny ass girls and little pimple popping homos. Do you really care to impress them.

make YOUR music, the ones that feel it should be the ones that matter to you.
isnt that what matters?

you can stayt real and sell records i can give you a giant list of artist who have done it and why would you want a deal you dont even make that much dough

lmao. that was a bitch move .
espescially the little 'sad' face you put on there.

lol,classic .

im down wit him so i aint gon start nuthin wit him....so why the fuck are u so concerned that i rather not start shit when its sompletely unnecassary and who gives a fuck bout the sad face aint like im actually sad bustin down in tears...damn some people are so fucked up