Views on Racism ...
 

Aight, ive been doin alot of thinking about how people view racism and why they have the views they do alot recently, and here's what i've come up with...

When some people think about our society or judicial system being "racist" and how our jails are filled with minorities, they think that we mean that police should actually see a black man robbing an old lady and let him go just because he's black and our jails are filled with blacks... but thats not the point at all, and we all agree that if you do the crime you have to do the time... but the problem is in the fact that minorities are in the position where as a whole they are living in the poor econimic situations, and therefore ARE the ones committing the crimes, and THATS the problem... and the problem is it seems theres no way for them to come up in our society... take the scene in Crash for example where the Hispanic dude is fixing the lock in that uppity white family's home, and the wife is like "Look at his gang tattoos, i dont want that "homie" to have a key to my house, i want them changed again in the morning"... so its like even if somebody who may have had a bad history TRIES to get a real job and move on like you tell them to, they just get pushed back down... its like theyre treated as like a whole different breed of people, or Americans, and they should just stay in their little role in our society of crime as long as they keep it to themselves and dont involve the wealthy whites... and THAT is how our society is racist.

oh, and dont come in here like "aren't you white???"
yes i'm white, but that isnt a synonym for ignorant...

So you're justifying minorities breaking the law by saying that because they're in a poor economic situation, it's not their fault that they do it? That's what I got out of your post.

And no, I'm not saying that white people don't break the law or have any justification for breaking the law either. . don't get it twisted. It's just his whole post was about minorities being in jail and how they have to do it because of their poor economic situation (which is bullshit).

no, lol i didnt have a "blaming" tone at all through that whole thing... but this is the real world, and the fact is it is ALWAYS going to be the lower economic bracket that is commiting the (majority of) crimes... so the problem (and reason that its evident that our society still has racial barriers) is that minorities still make up that lower economic bracket by an astounding percentage...

Thats fucking smart of that wife to say that..

Its called covering all bases, which is something thats required a lot these days because in these modern societys you cant trust anybody in the public....

You know my views on racism... It exists... But theres no one person or entire race you can blame for it politically..............And socially its only the fucking morons who perpectuate it in the first place..

And minoritys also have to realise that when you are living in a country, there is always gonna be an element of the government supporting their majority first, cause the majority who arnt living in poverty are the ones who are giving them the most tax..

Its like illegal drugs.. Weed is considered illegal, and why? Cause they cant fucking tax it like all those good legal drugs like alcahol and ciggerettes which are responsible for over 40000 deaths anually.........

Minoritys pay less tax, and obviously the governments gonna rort them a bit. Cause you dont think on humane and equal terms when you run countries, you think on whats best for the country now and in the future..

Sometimes the truth is too harsh for those involved to fully understand though.

I'm in full support of minoritys fighting for their rights, but ultimatly, a lot of minoritys just bring crime, mass poverty and take up all the sucky jobs that nobody else wants to do...

The government would see a lot of them as just the scum of the earth.... Thats harsh truth..... Dont shoot the messenger..

well...the discrepancy lies in the fact that blacks make up only 13-15% of the population in the US, but make up a hugely disproportionate percentage of the prison population. So, that begs the question: "Do more blacks commit more crimes than whites?" There are more white people in this country. So, you would think that more white people would commit more crimes because there are more here. And, yet, you still have a higher percentage of blacks in prison relative to their population in the U.S. Why is that? Some will say that blacks are less likely to afford proper counsel during indictment and eventually a trial. Some say that blacks are more likely to be convicted of a crime over their white counterparts. I don't know. Whatever the case may be, race relations in this country are still tender.






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Ahg @ the grouping of everybody. My parents pay taxes and I am not a drug dealer. I'm black, shit. It's just annoying as shit to be grouped with people just because they have the same skin color. God damn it, gunit gets more attention for crime than al capone.

before i even say any of this Nos, no hate is meant by it, and im not gonna be hateful, and i realize living outside of the US doesnt make you completely immune to all this...

BUT, i was just recently talking to this girl i know who lives in Australia and she brought something to my attention... you really CANT understand what im talking about, or at least the same type of racism im talking about, because in her words "there ARE no black people here"... lol, and i dont mean any people of color, but even if there are it isnt the same African-American culture that is being talked about in most of these threads you respond in... AND, she told me about how evvvverybody over there always uses the term "wigger" constintently... but like she said earlier, there ARE no black people, so its like yall have this twisted view of how things are... i dunno, correct me if im wrong, it might just be where she lives...

who was that in response to?

if it was to me, i dont think its possible to solve problems like this without discussing the facts, which is that racism in this country DOES exist, which involves discussing race in itself...

Uhh.. Dickhead..


I'm talking about the running of countries... Not race relations...

And politics is something I am very well studied on.

So really.. The one whose being ignorant is you.

Re-read my post buddy.

It wasn't to you. The conditioning for minorities shit was actually true. I hate it when people are like "its a fact minorities just dont pay taxes, minorities do this bla bla", when white people do the same shit. There isnt one thing minorities do that white people don't. So basically its like "yeah but yall do it more, so yea booo" shit. The original setup for black people was for them to fail, and although its entirely possible to rise from it, the original condition is instant failure. You're born into it. I hate talking about race on RV cause its like a brickwall, no matter what you say there is no unfairness in the world at all. Either that or the unfairness has a "eh, what can ya do?" logic to it..

i think i speak for everyone when i say Racism is bullshit!!

ive read your post plenty of times...

but i'm talking about how we ALWAYS get in this argument in alll the threads about race on this board... and about how you constantly insist on using the term "wigger" to describe somebody when you are completely un-attached to where that stereotype even came from...

AND, can you please just once participate in a mature debate without getting all hot-headed and pissy? jeesh...

Anyone who uses the term wigger is racist =/ Seriously they are. The meaning itself is racist. Not to mention the word is just white nigger. And even if you used a different word for the "w" to come before, the overall meaning is you're acting like a black person. Which is not only stereotypical, but using the term "acting like a black person" as an insult. So yea...

Ohh gee blay..

Well fuck me for not realising that when you quoted a post in THIS thread.. You were REALLY talking about all the other threads on racism..

Lawd americans can be thick sometimes...

EXACTLY... and by using the term "wigger," you're assuming that black people are "niggers"...

Minorities themselves don't bring crime or whatever, poor low class people in general do. So if the guy doing the locks in the house from Crash was white but poor, (from what I'm getting from Blay's post) he wouldn't get discriminated against nearly as much as a minority. Which is true as hell.

I'll come back to this thread later but I'm not arguing with anybody here, you're all too damn inflexible to accept other opinions. =/

lol, i didnt yell at you or call you dumb or anything for not realizing that, i just told you calmly that thats what i was talking about...

Lawd Australians are defensive...

yup yup...

Absolutely...And, I discovered something shocking about myself the other day...even I have prejudices ingrained in my head! I couldn't believe it.

Comcast technicians had to come out twice last week. The first guy who came out was white. While he was working on my computer, I went off and did my own thing elsewhere. Then, two black guys came out the second time. I felt the need to sit and watch them. Then, when I thought about what I did, I couldn't believe it man. I was prejudiced against my own damn people. WTF...That white guy could just as easily have robbed me as the black one. It's a shame too because I've experienced that type of discrimination. It goes to show that society's influences are more far reaching and deep-seated than you'd think.





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Only around pretencious americans..

Look man.. I live in a heavy multiculturalised country, one forth of our population arnt born here and thats leaving out the many people being born into familys from other countries.

Your sitting here telling me that I have a lesser understanding on racial relations than you.. I see it as plain ignorance on your behalf... Even the part where your telling me I shouldnt call you a wigger because I dont really know what a wigger is... Lmfao...

And that other part of the thread where you said this:


Which I had to quote being that it is one of the dumbest posts in this entire thread..

Yeah your not starting beef and I respect that..

But damn man... You gotta grow up a bit.. I'm living in the real world and it seems to me there is a lot you have yet to learn about the way the world really works. Its the same with a lot of people on this site....I wont name any more names though because a lot of these people are the same ones who sit there going "oohh everyones just SOOO ignorant man !! OMG OMG"...

Ultimatly I just gotta let it go... I havnt said anything wrong in this thread, so I got no reason to sweat it...

lmao, yeah iiiiiiiiii need to start living in the real world...

because all of the mature people i look up to live by stereotypes and use racial slurs on a regular basis :bored:


and if thats the dumbest post you've ever seen, then please explain to me how "wigger" means acting black if it has nothing to do with the term "nigger"...

Honestly Nos, from what I see of your logic, it's ok if racism exists because it's imminent. Am I wrong?

Look man, racism on any level is fucked up..

But it often does happen for a reason, whether its justified is another story all together. Thats my 'logic'.

but thats no form of justification...

thats like saying its okay to kill somebody if you have a reason to be mad at them...

Nigger is a derrogatory slur towards people with a dark skin pigment..

You just said "if you call people wiggers, your assuming black people are niggers"..

Can you not see how thats just compleatly irrelevant and......other words I wont say as to not 'offend' you...

Don't ever analyze people, if you tell people "basically you mean this" they'll twist it to mean something different. Like if I said the color red is better than blue. You'd say "so basically you're saying red is better than blue". And I'd said "no I'm not saying that, I'm just saying I prefer its hue above blue, I didnt say I think its better". Etc

Dude.. You need to work on your comphrension skills...


Alright?

And FYI..

You have a reason to be mad at Osama bin ladin..

But according to you, he should definatly NOT be killed.. Cause blay doesent believe its justified.

I'm not gunna sit here and tell him this IS what he means, I'm asking if I understand him right. Misunderstandings have led to some of the worst things to ever happen on this planet.

BLAYBOY you are a moron for thinking that minorities commit most of the crime

im gonna give you one single stat

85% of people who do drugs in the U.S. are white and 90% percent of people inprisoned due to drug charges are minorities i dont have a problem with them arestting minorities i have a problem with them not arresting enough white people
because they seem to go to that 15%(minorities) more than they do to that 85%(white people)

Lmao minorities do commit most of the crimes. Of course white people do most of the drugs, but its just convictions. There are more minorities in jail than whites.

Where exactly are you getting these statistics from..

Did it ever cross your mind btw.. That cops are racist fucks and lock up minoritys more due to racial steriotyping?

We all know hands up are wack cunts....

I personally think its also to do with the fact that the white mans culture has more sense of central common decency....

Who is a pig more likly to arrest? The poor dude from a minority who talks with street slang, is covered in tats and wears raggy cloathes.. Or the normal upstanding citizen looking white person who talks in proper english..

Lmao..

Lmao @ normal

are you dum most of the white people just dont get arrested
there are they just dont go after the white people as much
i bet you if they after the white people as much as they when to the minorities they would be cleaning up the streets

the white people make america the number one consumer of heroin cocaine marijana ecstacy meth pcp and as well as varies other drugs alone

and nos i do get your piont that racism is gonna exist but this kid has his facts wrong

though there are more whites on death row that should be a heads up for the police

ummmm, lol no, Osama shouldnt be killed... whats your point?

killing him isnt gonna do anything except get us more attacks... holding him gives US the advantage...

Someone tell me if anything I said applies to this thread.

lol, i never said white people didnt do drugs...

but thats not ALL crimes... and i dont know why you're presenting that fact like its going against what i said, thats another example of a racist society... which can be traced back to the fact that when someone sees a black man smokin week theyre looked at as a menace to society or somethin but when a white dude does its just like "oooh, theyre just having a good time"...

Lmfao.. What the?

Cause america is really in need of an 'advantage' over these underground terrorist groups that hide in mountain caves cause very few countries would ever house them legally...

Is that some kind of joke?