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Tha Q. 06-05-06 05:43 PM

The Forgotten Commandment
 
"Honor thy father and thy mother"

^^One of the 10 commandments...This admonishment is also found in the new testament a few times as "obey your parents"...


The original commandment provides a clear warning to its readers of what will happen if you don't honor your parents. The bible says that if you curse your parents, your life will be cut short.PERIOD. When you see young people dying in car wrecks and being killed suddenly, this scripture should run through your mind. Conversely, the text also says that if you honor your parents, "...your days will be long."

If you want to live long, respect your parents. If you want to cut your life short, curse and disrespect your parents.

P.S. Don't think that if someone doesn't believe in this scripture that it isn't true. Check this out...There are LAWS that many people don't believe in. But, when you break them, your ignorant behind is going to jail!


"Honor thy father and thy mother"


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locknes 06-05-06 05:48 PM

what if your parent wants to molest you because i grew up with this girl whos father did that to her and her mother never believed her she would always curse at them but it kept happening but she ran away i have advised her to tell the police but she was afraid and still is im not going to get to deep in the story.

Tha Q. 06-05-06 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by locknes
what if your parent wants to molest you because i grew up with this girl whos father did that to her and her mother never believed her she would always curse at them but it kept happening but she ran away i have advised her to tell the police but she was afraid



In that case, the scripture provides two stipulations:


1. "When my father and mother forsake me, the lord will lift me up" <----So, abusive parents is like defaulting on the contract...Once that occurs, then God himself bears the responsibility of being "your parent."



2. The text that says, "obey your parents" has a B-clause...It says, "Obey your parents, IN THE LORD." <---- This means that if anything is requested of you that is immoral, you are exonerated from following it by the law of God.

And, the bible also warns parents of "provoking your children to anger." It clearly states that anyone who leads a child astray will have to answer to God himself for it.



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locknes 06-05-06 05:55 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Q.
In that case, the scripture provides two stipulations:


1. "When my father and mother forsake me, the lord will lift me up" <----So, abusive parents is like defaulting on the contract...Once that occurs, then God himself bears the responsibility of being "your parent."



2. The text that says, "obey your parents" has a B-clause...It says, "Obey your parents, IN THE LORD." <---- This means that if anything is requested of you that is immoral, you are exonerated from following it by the law of God.

And, the bible also warns parents of "provoking your children to anger." It clearly states that anyone who leads a child astray will have to answer to God himself for it.
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thats what i thought because i forget what religion says that if your you have to obey your parents no matter what even if they harm you

Tha Q. 06-05-06 06:03 PM

^^Not sure what that is...But, I venture to say that most kids don't have a gripe. Parents don't often ask you to do things that are immoral and/or harmful. Most of the time, they are trying to teach kids the right way to go. There's nothing new under the sun...


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locknes 06-05-06 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tha Q.
^^Not sure what that is...But, I venture to say that most kids don't have a gripe. Parents don't often ask you to do things that are immoral and/or harmful. Most of the time, they are trying to teach kids the right way to go. There's nothing new under the sun...


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true but i wouldnt know i never grew up with either of my parents

Tha Q. 06-05-06 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by EL Rey
The commandment most people forgot is...

4th commandment...

Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

thats the commandment almost everyone forgot...



...which is why most people don't work on Sunday, I surmise...Even though the week technically begins with Sunday, most people hold the sabbath on Sunday and count Monday as the official start of the week. It is the 7th day to them. Even so, Jesus is Lord even of the Sabbath, which means that God's business goes on Monday-Sunday.


And, yes, I agree that this is one of the forgotten commandments as well.

locknes 06-05-06 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tha Q.
...which is why most people don't work on Sunday, I surmise...Even though the week technically begins with Sunday, most people hold the sabbath on Sunday and count Monday as the official start of the week. It is the 7th day to them. Even so, Jesus is Lord even of the Sabbath, which means that God's business goes on Monday-Sunday.


And, yes, I agree that this is one of the forgotten commandments as well.

i work every day of the week so im sinning

Tha Q. 06-05-06 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by EL Rey
True day of rest is Saturday, not Sunday, and it was Constantine who changed the Saturday to Sunday, he also worship apollo the "SUN" God..



I interpret that scripture as the "7th" day...whatever that is...cuz even the JEwish day was different from our now...A day was only 12 hours as opposed to 24 now...Also, I think Jesus warned of arguing over such trivial things like this when he rebuked his disciples after they tried to stop other people from preaching Christ, simply because they had different customs. That's called sectarianism. It's a sin.


If you hold the sabbath on Saturday, that's acceptable. But, if someone holds the sabbath on Sunday, that's acceptable as well because it's not clearly defined in the bible, and it's held on Sunday by most Christians.

It's held on Saturday by the Jews. But, they also don't believe in Christ. So, think about that.

Tha Q. 06-05-06 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by locknes
i work every day of the week so im sinning




Well...if God instructed you to do so, then you're not. but, if you're skipping church to work, then that's breaking at least 2 commandments, "keep the sabbath" and "have no other gods before me".





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locknes 06-05-06 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tha Q.
Well...if God instructed you to do so, then you're not. but, if you're skipping church to work, then that's breaking at least 2 commandments, "keep the sabbath" and "have no other gods before me".
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i dont skip church i still go on sundays but i work everyday

Tha Q. 06-05-06 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by locknes
i dont skip church i still go on sundays but i work everyday



Then, if God didn't tell you to work on the sabbath, then you're breakin at least 1 commandment.



But, jus seek God about it man. Some people have to work on Sunday--i.e., EMS, etc.

locknes 06-05-06 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tha Q.
Then, if God didn't tell you to work on the sabbath, then you're breakin at least 1 commandment.



But, jus seek God about it man. Some people have to work on Sunday--i.e., EMS, etc.

i have to work to on sunday if i didnt i would have enough for my to pay for a lot of this like the rent and im trying to save up for a house so we can move in and i have to pay her sister tution or a private school

Tha Q. 06-05-06 07:01 PM

El Rey...maintaining the Commandment doesn't entail divisiveness...There's a reason why some people hold it on Sat and others on Sun...And, that reason can be foundin Romans 14...The early church had problems with issues like this one as well as with other customs and laws that the early Jews followed. The early believers also drew lines of divide over whether or not it was okay to eat pork or not. Just as with the sabbath, that they accused Jesus of breaking, Jesus fulfilled these laws because he's Lord over them. So, in Romans 14, Paul states that if something becomes a stumbling block to one person, that you shouldn't do it around them. Jesus, on the other hand, said--regarding the eating of pork--that what goes in the body doesn't defile it, it's what comes out of it.

So, again, I tell you, hold the sabbath on Saturday. There's nothing wrong with it. But, I vernture to suggest there's nothing with holding the sabbath on Sunday either. The main point is to serve and worship God. Such things are trivial and cause divisions in the body of Christ, IMO.

I honestly don't think God cares if you rest on Saturday or Sunday, as long as you give him his due.


Now, if you REALLY wanna get into a commandment that's ignored, I can talk about TITHING.

Malachi buddy! Ten percent of your income belongs to God. How many people skip out on that?hmmm

PS

The word Sabbath is Hebrew for Shabbat, derived from the verb shavat, “to rest, cease...The bible doesn't command that it be held on any particular day, except the "7th" day...The origins of it are truly unknown.

Tha Q. 06-05-06 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by locknes
i have to work to on sunday if i didnt i would have enough for my to pay for a lot of this like the rent and im trying to save up for a house so we can move in and i have to pay her sister tution or a private school



O wow bro...So, you feel that by taking God's time, that it'll assure you more money to do what God has promised to do for you, and that's take care of you? That's foolish bro. Be careful about that. If you tithe the way you're supposed to, and trust in God to provide, you'll have more than you'll know what to do with. Otherwise, trying to hoard and usurp the glory/time due God is self-sabotaging.

Tha Q. 06-05-06 07:07 PM

PS...El Rey...Don't even quote "Sunday" as the name of a "sun" God...suggesting it's pagan...

Saturday is from the Roman god Saturn...



And, in Jewish customs, it's observed from friday night through saturday night...

In the early Chrsitian church, it was moved to sunday to commemorate the resurrection of Christ.

It truly is a trivial matter though. It doesn't matter which day you celebrate it, as long as you observe it.
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Tha Q. 06-05-06 07:19 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by EL Rey
If it didn't matter why even have a 4th commandment then...
It was man who changed the sabbath to sunday, not God...
If it didn't matter why did constantine who is nothing but a
man change the days from saturday to sunday, Gods law rains
over mans, and thats whos law I will be keeping.



reigns...


but um...problem is...the commandment doesn't specify which day...it says "sabbath"...the word means REST...The commandment says the "7th day"...In jewish customs, they did it from friday night through saturday night...That's a 24 hour period...

Modern Christians celebrate it on Sunday...

I think the point of the commandment is to observe it...And, if that's done, then it's much ado about nothing.


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locknes 06-05-06 07:25 PM

so q your tellin me to not work on sunday even though i go to church on sunday
and what happens after i cant to afford to pay the rent and my various thing
sunday makes up 40% of my check

Tha Q. 06-05-06 07:29 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by locknes
so q your tellin me to not work on sunday even though i go to church on sunday
and what happens after i cant to afford to pay the rent and my various thing
sunday makes up 40% of my check



I'm telling you to talk to God about what you specifically should do on Sunday.

As for tithing your check, you can't afford NOT TO. "Will a man rob God?" 10% is His off the top. Scriptures say that when you cheerfully give God your tithes and offerings, he'll "rebuke the devourer" for your sake. In other words, you'll never be in need for anything. On the other hand, if you pocket God's money (money to be given through thte church), you'll be cursed with a curse.

Watch what I tell you. Try it for 1 month. Give ten percent of your check to God through the church and watch how windows and doors open up to you that you've never experienced before.


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locknes 06-05-06 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tha Q.
I'm telling you to talk to God about what you specifically should do on Sunday.

As for tithing your check, you can't afford NOT TO. "Will a man rob God?" 10% is His off the top. Scriptures say that when you cheerfully give God your tithes and offerings, he'll "rebuke the devourer" for your sake. In other words, you'll never be in need for anything. On the other hand, if you pocket God's money (money to be given through thte church), you'll be cursed with a curse.

Watch what I tell you. Try it for 1 month. Give ten percent of your check to God through the church and watch how windows and doors open up to you that you've never experienced before.


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i already give 10% but its because i work on sundays if i didnt work on sundays i would be making just as much as minage wage does on full time may be a bit more but any ways i live in a area where shit is expensive the lowest price ive seen a 1 bedroom apartment go in this area was $1200 which is ridicoulous i get what your trying to say but i just cant afford to not work on sunday its cruicial to the family i support.

Tha Q. 06-05-06 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by locknes
i already give 10% but its because i work on sundays if i didnt work on sundays i would be making just as much as minage wage does on full time may be a bit more but any ways i live in a area where shit is expensive the lowest price ive seen a 1 bedroom apartment go in this area was $1200 which is ridicoulous i get what your trying to say but i just cant afford to not work on sunday its cruicial to the family i support.




Seek God about it man. You have to do what you have to do.


I hear ya.

locknes 06-05-06 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tha Q.
Seek God about it man. You have to do what you have to do.


I hear ya.

thanks if i had it my way i wouldnt work on sundays which is why i hope i get my promotion in 5 months which then i can make changes to my own schedule and ill make my sundays an off day


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