Religious people..
 

You do realise that nothing you believe has any observational evidence to back it up right?


You do realise that everything you stand for as a human being is simply just what youve been told to believe by the same entity that went around burning all recorded information from the past 10000 years that did not co-incide with their ancient jewish texts that have been proven wrong and changed countless times by an organisation that has lied, killed, perpecuated ignorance, cheated countless millions out of their money for human agenda, etc etc etc..

And yet you people still believe that everything they teach you is 100% unfailable truth..

Basically....


Where does the point come when you actually sit back and think.. Damn.. How can I really believe these people?

Why dont I just realise that we havnt worked out everything about the universe we live in yet.. But science...(you know, the religion with the actual proof) is still working on it..

You realise that over the years, religion has basically just had to admit their wrong on countless occaisions when the scientific community invents a theory that fits in with their own data, the church dissagrees based on their age old prejudice... Then gets inevidibly proved wrong because science can actually back their information..

This is where the cracks just keep forming in your belief's...

How can you sit there and say anything they tell you to believe is correct just because so far it hasnt been proven wrong... And the key words are "so far" there ladies...

I'm not being a biggot... I'm just saying.. What is it that makes you feel so certain your backing the right team?

I'd really like to know.

And for those of you who want to come in here saying "Man, I KNOW from my own experience this stuff is true"..

Ponder upon this if you will..


Back in the 1600's, most people believed so openly that world wide communism was an inevidible progression for human development. And look how far that went.......

There has been studies of things such as 'magnet theropy' where people take non-working magnets into a shopping center, strap them to people and tell them a load of bullshit about what their doing..

And people sit there saying "Wow, I really feel energised, I can really feel this working" and furthermore "I would pay over $200 for this product" (that doesent work)

Just goes to show how easy it is to fool simpletons with the placibo effect.

Keep that in mind as your formulating your replies.

that point comes in everybody's lives who has faith... which is when the term "faith" really comes into play... questioning your faith only makes it stronger... being a Christian doesnt make you ignorant...

Whoa..

Way to give absolutly nothing in terms of a logical answer to my question.

^ i just addressed that one point because we already discussed pretty much everything else in that other thread and i didnt feel like repeating...

Cool.. Well thanks for wasting your time...

Means a lot.

what the hell, dont make a thread with a million different statements if u dont want responses to individual ones...

You didnt even answer that one..

All you said was.. "there comes a time in all christians lives when we question our belief's, it just depends on whether you have faith"

That says nothing of why you believe what you believe, that just says.. You'll do it anyway out of ignorance to logic.

LOOK UP THE FUCKING WORD "FAITH"...

lol... if you keep arguing that you have to have facts to have faith, then you're not getting anywhere...

Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See synonyms at belief, trust.

Thats the definition.

Blay if you want to continue wasting my time, front some cash and pay me for it.

Like I said before, the image of God is what turned people off. I'm not part of any religion, but I do believe in God. You don't see or hear him you feel him. The thing is, you either choose to believe in God or you don't. Science itself simply expands on what I BELIEVE god created. I swear people think when you take apart indivisual peices of a machine than the machine doesn't exist as a whole anymore. Just because you can think of new terms and recognize the smaller building blocks of life doesn't mean God didnt create it. I'm not even a christian, it's just how I believe it is. If you actually think your perspective on shit is the ultimate truth than you're the one who needs to think about shit more man.

Well why are you arguing? We have the same views.

I believe in god. Because from a scientific standpoint, the innitial conditions for life on earth spawn from such a small ass margin that it is beyond the realm of chance.

But dont steriotype my views, because to me.. God could even be an unidentified alien intelligence that constructed the conditions in our solar system for harbouring life.

I only go on what I can understand from the scientific data I have observed.

I'm basically the same way. The thought of God being an alien intellegence from another world really tightens my brain. *feels utterly insignificant*

I have a lot of facts that can back that view...

But its still very fringe so I wont bother going into it in this thread for the simple fact that religous people arnt going to be able to forumate arguments against anything I've said..

So I wont give them the opportunity to argue a different post and ignor the origional question.

Ok why do we exist?

just to do die? it wouldnt make sense.

Lmfalmfoamflafmoafoa.

How about..

We exist to advance man kind as a species.


Tell me how believing things with no proof equates to achieving this goal.

Key: We exist.

Why don't we just leave it at that? Look at yourself. You're concious. You are a sentient being, alive, working... Existing. Isn't that amazing? What are you? What is youre true nature? What are you actually supposed to do in this life?

exaaaaaaaaactly, LOL

you just made my EXACT point that i've been trying to make this entire argument... you are arguing directly against faith, which doesnt make sense because the very definition of faith is believing in something WITHOUT PROOF OR EVIDENCE...

wow... do you giggle that much when you and Nos are engaging in anal dickriding together? :bored:

I'm arguing against believing things without proof or evidence you fucking dim whit...

Fuck man.. You really are not the sharpest tool in the shed.. I swear...

I REALIZE THAT, lol and thru alot of the discussion my whole point was that by doing that you are arguing against faith itself, which is never going to get you anywhere...

except the truth...which is what religious groups are scared of now as we have the technology to explain stuff...

Do you realize you've never met Franklin and yet you understand the simple working of electricity, or that you never were properly introduced or saw Alexander Grahm Bell on Tv but recognise the telephone?

I mean, personally, I'm ignostic so I'm not trying to defend religion in any sense because it's very pure origins have been so obscured throughout the years that now it's no more than a cult, or right of passage for the sake of convience. But the thing that keeps me ignostic aposed to athiest is that which is unknown. I mean, like the examples above, we never met or saw the majority of these people anymore believably than we saw images of Jesus... Through painting and through completed works. When invention are created, often they are denied their rightful respect until it's aplication is dubbed useful... But with religion there are more individualist views on what is to be considered "useful."

Religion is what you make it, there is an inate sense of comfort or nothingness from religion, and depending on your stance that is where your opinions will fall. But I don't see purpose in attacking a religion. The mind is a powerful thing, and if you believe so thoroughly in something than it's essance is there. Religion is much similar to anxiety, it's all in your head. If you believe or have an axiety dissorder than you think symptoms to the point of hypochondria... Where you truly feel the ailments. Religion follows a similar pretense.

Make it what you want.

I seriously fuckin love you. ^

^pshh indeph loving himself? who would of known. :rolleyes:

And that is why I'm your Bull God :)

Well, Im muslim, and even I know that my beliefs are flawed and biased. But its something I must hold on to to have any hope of living happy, you know? I never could see myself as an atheist. Im a lonely guy, I dont have any friends really, so whenever Im by myself I feel the need to talk to somebody, who better than god?

Yeah yeah "God dont exist fuckhead", well then let me live my own personal lie then ok? Its none of anybody's concern. lol =P

Beautiful. You don't argue that your belief is the truth, you argue that it is your truth and that cannot be argued with.

MC Venom, im starting to like your style.

In my opinion i think that most people who go too church that are christians are going and doing all of what they do cuz they dont "wanna go too hell" but thats just makin hell get all of the glory........they still rely on the "set of rules" which is why Jesus Came and died cuz nobody can hold the rules......I belive in God and I know God is true...but it seems like most preechers and what not are tryin too keep themselfs as perfect as they can be when nobody is perfect......and like i said thats why Jesus came down......and Blay is right you have too have faith in what ever you belive in.....also deph was right you cant see God you feel him.........

well thats all i gotta say

Yeah thanks, that really means alot. Because I learned that the hard way back in my devout christian days on debate forums. =P

Where does it say that Jesus came down so man could disregard all of the Bible's teachings? We can be forgiven for disregarding them, but we cannot blatantly continue to do so.