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Indeph 07-11-06 02:48 AM

Okay I need to hear other people's opinions on this.
 
Okay in OMB's thread I said white people will sell more in rap because of their skin color. By this I didn't mean every white person will automatically sell more than black people, I just mean it's a positive effect on sales. It's not racist it just makes it's easier for people to connect if they look like them. And to repeat an already used analogy.. If me and "you" did a talent show at your house and I had 2 family members there, and you had 20, obviously you would win because there's more of your family members than mine. THIS ISNT RACIST, if it was the other way around black people would be like elvis. Am I racist for pointing this out? Ok I hate being a broken record, but my favorite rapper is white, my rap partner is white, I have no problem with any race doing any type of music. I didn't know I had to speak with so much detail. Black rappers sell more in black areas, and there's more white people in the world in america, so white rappers sell more. I didn't think I was wrong for this. I'm not being sacarstic. Ysdat got really pissed at me for this. I just REALLY need to know, honestly am I racist for this?

JTR 07-11-06 02:49 AM

Seriously, get over it buddy.

P.S. Do you still hate me? Lmfao

Indeph 07-11-06 02:49 AM

Peep the sig.

La Cosa Nostra 07-11-06 02:50 AM

No.. Why would this be racist.....

JTR 07-11-06 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Indeph
Peep the sig.


lol, peep the quote

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Originally Posted by you
JTR loves me


:shoot:

Ysdat 07-11-06 02:53 AM

man, you cant go from saying " a white person will sell more records than a black person,because he's white"

to said white people will sell more in rap because of their skin color. By this I didn't mean every white person will automatically sell more than black people

Indeph 07-11-06 02:55 AM

Wtf my stance on that still stands. All I did is elaborate on WHY a white person would sell more because of his skin color. Where did I say otherwise?

La Cosa Nostra 07-11-06 02:55 AM

The sheer number of black rappers outweighs the number of white rappers actually getting somewhere in the industry anyway..

How is this an issue...

Shear Kaughn 07-11-06 02:58 AM

its not racist no..... timeand i belive its proabably true...bu at the same time i don't see that many big time white acts though....eminem...and thats about it....eminem was big and and yes some of it was because he was white....but the biggest reason why he was so big was because he reached out to a wider audience of people who didn't normally listen to rap....mostly white teenagers growing up in the suberbs..and these kids was like..."woah look its one of US doing THAT kind of music..lets see what he got tos say" and with there being an overwhelming amount of young teenage white kids in the suburbs....he had success.......

plus, black rappers overall are more successful then white rappers in the mainstream.....i don't really see that changing all that much in the future either.....but its whtever

Indeph 07-11-06 03:00 AM

That's exactly what I'm saying. Your attributes determine your fans. And who has money? Suburban kids. Who buys most of the rap albums? Suburban kids. What race is the majority of the suburbs? Whites. What the fuck is so racist about that.

Terumoto 07-11-06 03:00 AM

Eminems success is not just due to his skin color.

Shear Kaughn 07-11-06 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Terumoto
Eminems success is not just due to his skin color.




i specifically explained that it didn't......but some of it did

Terumoto 07-11-06 03:04 AM

btw I think the term "racism" has lost its sting. Half the shit people call racism is nothing near it.

Black people have dark skin.

Thats a fact... So many people pull the race card on even mentioning black people, white people, asians whatever. They forget what actual racism is.

Indeph 07-11-06 03:05 AM

Well durr, Eminem is sick as fuck. His skin color just contributed to the attention he got. Negatively also though. He became the target for white america. He was a "safe" target to attack because he's white, so he became like the representive for rap music. Like a million rappers have misogynist lyrics, but he got in trouble for it because he's white. Plus people felt comfortable listening to him because you won't be called a wigger for buying his albums. Not to mention him being on rock radio stations and being classified as "rock/rap" everywhere.

Shear Kaughn 07-11-06 03:05 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terumoto
btw I think the term "racism" has lost its sting. Half the shit people call racism is nothing near it.

Black people have dark skin.

Thats a fact... So many people pull the race card on even mentioning black people, white people, asians whatever. They forget what actual racism is.



but i do agree with you on that.......

Terumoto 07-11-06 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Shear Kaughn
i specifically explained that it didn't......but some of it did


What you said was the biggest reason for his success was about him being white. And how he reached out to a wider audience because of it.

What you explained is HOW skin color affected his success, not that it didnt.

∆ P E X X 07-11-06 03:14 AM

Racist? nah, that's a marketing statistic that's been proven true more times than one.

70% of the buying market is white. <---ohh shitt! now I'm a racist too!!! AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!


kiiilll whiiiiteeeyyyyy!!!![/half offended by my own joke]

Shear Kaughn 07-11-06 03:45 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terumoto
What you said was the biggest reason for his success was about him being white. And how he reached out to a wider audience because of it.

What you explained is HOW skin color affected his success, not that it didnt.



i was replying to you..becaue i had already stated that not just his skin color contributed to it........

Terumoto 07-11-06 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Shear Kaughn
i was replying to you..becaue i had already stated that not just his skin color contributed to it........


Im just going off of what you said.

You said "eminem was big and and yes some of it was because he was white....but the biggest reason why he was so big was because he reached out to a wider audience of people who didn't normally listen to rap....mostly white teenagers growing up in the suberbs..and these kids was like..."woah look its one of US doing THAT kind of music..lets see what he got tos say" and with there being an overwhelming amount of young teenage white kids in the suburbs....he had success......."

You say some of it was just because he was white, then continute to talk about how the biggest reason for his success is something to do with him being white. See what I mean?

.Ike. 07-11-06 01:00 PM

your absolutely correct my friend

The Gladiator 07-11-06 02:15 PM

naww u aint racist...ur defitnly right...

Blay'all 07-11-06 03:30 PM

not racist at all, sorry Ysdat you're wrong.

IMO though, it's harder to COME UP as a white rapper and get respect, but once you have that respect you're gonna sell more regardless, b/c you have something that makes you different (and in turn the same as the primary hip-hop audience, which is suburban America)...

Young Kidd (LM) 07-11-06 03:35 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Apexx
Racist? nah, that's a marketing statistic that's been proven true more times than one.

70% of the buying market is white. <---ohh shitt! now I'm a racist too!!! AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!


kiiilll whiiiiteeeyyyyy!!!![/half offended by my own joke]


^ always got some joke..SMH..but still funny..lol

anyways..how could this be racist...i dont get it.. :help:

Blay'all 07-11-06 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheKid_Sense
^ always got some joke..SMH..but still funny..lol

anyways..how could this be racist...i dont get it.. :help:

^ alot of white people just find the need to act like the world is racist against them too and constantly prove this "reverse racism" bullshit... its kinda like when the kid in 1st grade is like "i shoot squirrels with my bb gun" then the other kid is like "ooo! ooo! me too!" when his mom really doesnt let him have a bb gun... LOL :cool:

Ysdat 07-11-06 04:12 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Indeph
Wtf my stance on that still stands. All I did is elaborate on WHY a white person would sell more because of his skin color. Where did I say otherwise?


man, your tryna correct yourself,by making a entire difrent thread about this.

fact is you originally stated "whites will naturally make it further in rap than blacks"
Now your adding bits and peices onto your fucked up assumtion, why didnt you just admit you were wrong in the other thread?!
your e pride getting in the way.
you used to be a chilled cat, now your one of many ignorant fucks.

congrats!

∆ P E X X 07-11-06 04:16 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sense
^ always got some joke..SMH..but still funny..lol

anyways..how could this be racist...i dont get it.. :help:

it's racist to white kids that are desperate to see what racism is like.

Ysdat 07-11-06 04:19 PM

man i just relised, this thread is about the racist side to the comments indeph made.

Indeph, i never once said its racist. i said these sorta comments make room for racist arguments.

blah blah blah blah blah and all that LL "im wiser" talk.

TitoBronsky 07-11-06 04:24 PM

Well where do the Latino's fit into the sales figures of the game????


and im not talkin bout Reggaetone and Bachata..... lol

im talkin hip-hop....

the fat joes... the big puns.... the Aztecs......


Where we fit into all this???

Ysdat 07-11-06 04:35 PM

*waits for indeph to say* they half white so its easier for them to come up than blacks, but they dont have as much chance as a whiteman*



damn i cant belive how fucked up that stament is.

"whites have more chance of making it then blacks"

wow!!
why doesnt anyone see how fucking stupid that comment is?

TitoBronsky 07-11-06 04:47 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^ still no comment bout my Latinos in the game????

babegurl1814 07-11-06 04:52 PM

how about the beastie boys they have had all of there sucess through white kids it not just eminem

babegurl1814 07-11-06 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TitoBronsky
Well where do the Latino's fit into the sales figures of the game????


and im not talkin bout Reggaetone and Bachata..... lol

im talkin hip-hop....

the fat joes... the big puns.... the Aztecs......


Where we fit into all this???

big puns was the first platinum latin rapper and thats in 1998
while whites had the bestie boys vanillah ice that goes to show whites have it easier making it than latinos latinos have it the hardest in the game

TitoBronsky 07-11-06 06:41 PM

Werd to that!!!!!!!


EVERYBODY READ THAT SHIT????


LATINO'S HAVE IT THE HARDEST IN THE GAME!!!!!!!!



WERD THE FUCK UP TO THAT SHIT

Shear Kaughn 07-11-06 07:55 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terumoto
Im just going off of what you said.

You said "eminem was big and and yes some of it was because he was white....but the biggest reason why he was so big was because he reached out to a wider audience of people who didn't normally listen to rap....mostly white teenagers growing up in the suberbs..and these kids was like..."woah look its one of US doing THAT kind of music..lets see what he got tos say" and with there being an overwhelming amount of young teenage white kids in the suburbs....he had success......."

You say some of it was just because he was white, then continute to talk about how the biggest reason for his success is something to do with him being white. See what I mean?



alright...let me clear it up a little bit just so we can be on teh same page....

most of his success came from his skill and being able to rich out to people who normally didn't listen to rap...the white teens in teh suburbs...
but...since he is white....these kids look at him and are like...wow one of us is doing rap...that right there alone..him being white, that is an eye cather to these teens...and along with his skin color came his dope rhymes and delivery that appealed to them as well.....


i hope that kind of cleared things up......most of it from skill.....him being white just caught the kids eyes...


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