It is impossible to create or destroy something.
 

Yeah... Fire way.

How does man destroy? If man tries to create he destroys, and when he tries to destroy he creates...

So whats the use?

Lol...

I destroy wak MCs, and create illness from the ashes...

Nuff said

lol...Lucianos been doing that gay shit so Id figuer Id do it atleast onece...

This argument will go into religion and beliefs rather then science and facts. In other words, do you believe that God creates the person inside of womb or do you follow the miricles of science and think of it as hay...The mans sperm enters the female and the child is created and developed over the 9 month period.? And as far as destroying ...When I stab a man ...is it me who choses his fate or was it a divine power that has chosen his fate for this man and will seal it as me being but a small part to a much larger and grand design? Do I destroy because it is my way or do I destroy because what ever powers and watches over us has set the turn of event into motion so every thing I do is a part of its will.?

I farted just now ...I created a fucked up environment around me....

Man it doesnt have to. When a child is "created" in the womb, its just a bunch of shit that was already there mixing around.

If you stab somebody, what are you destroying? You're just moving some shit around.

I dunno about an "eternal transcendant sentient being" governing every little thing that happens. It just doesnt make sense. In my useless opinion, christians have taken the bible in completely the wrong way.

I agree in ways ...faith IMO is really something surtain people need to look onto when they need guidance. I personally dont like being governed in every step I take saying, it was fate that I step'd in dog shit or that I farted on the elevater at work right when this fine as bitch walked in. Id rather live thinkg...I steped quickly through the left, so the bullet didn't hit me becouse of my own awareness.

I agree with the moving shit around as well. Your not really peircing the vessle or anything ...your just moving it around because the sharpness of the knife dominates over the doaghness of the orgens and there can only be one thing in that particular space at time so the dominating force will win over the inferior force.

Shit mixing around to make something? that shit makes want to go and "Create" some cool-aid man.

Man the underlying meaning of "fate" is that in the only moment that exists, nothing at all can be changed, and that moment gets constantly renewed.

Things are "destined" to happen or "meant" to happen. Things happen.

can't you create something out of nothing by making antimatter react?

Atoms make up everything, but does that mean that everything is atoms? I don't look at my computer or my strawberry frappuchino and say 'these are both just a group of atoms' and truly believe that. An object is made of atoms, but that's because you look deep down into it and it has to be made of something or you're going to encounter that its made of nothingness, which the counterparts of atoms must reach if you dig down deep enough...I don't think an object is what it is made of (atoms) but instead what you see and register it as. I see my frappucino as a frappucino, not a bunch of atoms vibrating to generate heat and whatnot.

So I suppose your saying 'is it possible to destroy or create' in the sense that even if you destroy a building, its still that building, but it's just a new form of itself (i.e. rubble and dust and ash)? I don't know, but when you're destroying, you're also creating: your destruction creates "flattened building" from the original "building".

Not to mention e=mc squared, can't destroy matter or energy, only convert it. :)

anything that exists was created, and anything that is created can be destroyed.

How is everything that exists created? And how can these things be destroyed?

^take a baby, it was created, it didn't always exist it had to be created.
and it can be destroyed.

anything that started it's existance at a point in time was created. when that time ceases and it returns to the source, it is destroyed.

^true,

unless u see the baby as a body of energy

yes, it is possible to create something

man + woman creates baby...and you cant say 'oh but what created man/woman' etc. because all you asked was if something can be created that means atleast 1 thing, so man and woman can create a baby

i had to think about the destroy part

because if you 'destroyed' the baby by means of killing it, its still there, its just dead, but even after it decomposes the bones will still be there so technically its not really destroyed unless its gone COMPLETELY and i think the only thing that can do that is water when it evaporates =/ or something

Oh ok...

Its just I thought babies didnt pop out of nowhere when they were made and dissapear into nothingness when they are destroyed.

^they don't "pop out of nowhere" because they're......created.

so back to the original point, anything that you see was created and anything that was created can be destroyed

Yeah. You're right.

how do you destroy energy?

i swear one of the principal laws of physics is that energy can not be destroyed but only manipulated and transcended into a different form

Its all up to your def. on creation and destruction. I can say I mixed shit together and created Kool-Aid or I can say I mixed shit together and it eventually formed Kool-aid. If I where to be able to create something, Then yes...you might use baby as an example. But as OMB stated before....creating a baby really is just a bunch of molecules and shit that where already there just coming together to become something more then what they where at one point. And if I kill some one then yes I destroyed him but has he really been destroyed? Not really becouse he is still there even after being buried or creamated. everything wether its molecules that burned to ashes and flowed into the air or the ashes that you keep and put into an ern....its all still there but in a different form. So no one is really right or wrong in these thing...OMB just likes fucking with us with these crazy ass topics

yea but babies aren't JUST created...because of semen and the egg it's all there ready to be mixed together...it's a never ending cycle of processes before each "creation" if you will

and also EVEN if the body "evaporates"...it's still steam which then condenses into rain and again it's a constant cycle...if you cremate a body, it'll be dust, the dust is then spread...and then is around in the ground, in the air on people (sorry to be crude) but yeah...bodies aren't destroyable...not completely if you REALLY think about it peoples...

i unno though...intellectual convos aren't my thing

more importantly, think before the start of your question - how do you create energy? its impossible. even a generator doesn't create energy, it harnesses existing energy. energy is in everything, even a stone has energy.



that's definitely not true. You only have 3 cells when you become a "baby", the rest of your cells are created through your system intaking protiens and nutrients to create specific types of cells and build your body.

they definitely didn't already exist and just had to be put in place. if it worked that way, no one would ever grow.

But the cells arent "created" ... Its more like they're synthesized from the proteins and nutrients. And they did already exist in the form of food.

a cell didn't exist there before. it didn't teleport in from somewhere else, or someoen didn't just blow a whistle and the cells came running. it had to be created by another instructor cell using materials found elsewhere.

why do you always take the most assinine view on something so basic just to sound deep and then end up going "uhhh..what was i saying, again?"

Basic things are the most interesting!

But so is anything really being created though? All thats happening is something is being constructed from materials... Its like a house. A house is a combination of bricks, cement, tiles, plaster, whatever else. Its just something reshaped. Not really created.

Thats what im saying, you can't create anything and you can't destroy anything. Because you're always using something that was already there in your "creation".

well here's where your fundamentals are already fucked up. lets take your house example.

to you, a house is just a combination of existing things. in reality, a house is made of
bricks
cement
tiles
plaster
wooden beams


now where did the bricks come from? they didn't just exist, they were made from other things like water (hydrogen and oxygen), special clays, synthetic bonders, they were baked in a kiln etc - aka, created. That brick was never there before till a process occured, and after the process was completed you have a brick. there fore it was created.

same for the cement and the tiles, same for the plaster, and the wooden beams which were once living parts of trees, which in it self was once a seed.


at the end of the day, after those key ingredients are put together, what you have is a house. whne those ingredients were seperate, you couldn't point to a hole in a clay pit and say "yup, rght there, that's a house" because it wasn't. it was just a pile of clay to be used to make bricks. and the same applies for the trees that became wooden beams, and the oven that bakes the bricks - neither of those you'd call a house either.

there fore all of that was created. none of it magically appeared out of thin air, someone had to commit to a process to put every bit of it there. aka....creation.

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I think it depends on which theorem your talking about.

Well then what you would consider and term creation, I would consider and term synthesis.

but synthesis is still a process of creating. but i guess to you bricks are "synthesized"? ideas are "synthesized"? by definintion recombination of an existing think into a new thing is creating so once again i find my self asking "what is the logic of your position"?

Yeah, by definition. What im trying to say is when something is created, another thing is destroyed... Nothing is really created or destroyed, they're just sort of mangled around a bit and used for a different thing.

^sort of like...

for every death. there is a new born? obviously not only revolving around infants but in general

what I'm saying is consistent to the definition. if what you're saying isn't according to definition, then what you're saying obviously isn't what you say it is!

but now you're asserting that in order to create, something has to be destroyed. really?? from a pile of wooden planks and some nails i can create a ladder to reach new heights, and without destroying any wood at all. as a matter of fact, had i done what you suggested, I wouldn't have been able to build my ladder.


once again man, your "universal cosmic uber-cycle" logic just seems idealistic and unthought out