Is knowledge created or discovered?
 

..................Discuss........

Both created and discovered.

How is that so?

The way the brain works, you can look at your surroundings and create your own knowledge and abstractions. However you can also discover truths about things, or discover knowledge documented by somebody else.

^ agreed

So essentually you believe that knowledge, upon the first time it is thought of by a person...........It is created?

Did it exist before? Or did the person who first concieved that knowledge in part shape the universe?

^ yeah im actually with u on this one... it existed before the person does what you're calling "creating" it, they person just discovers it...

Actually I kind of lean towards the opposite of that...

But all we can do is speculate...........

No, it didnt exist before. Knowledge itself is an abstract concept by the way and doesnt exist. But for the sake of argument, consider language.

A tribe in Africa would have their own words for things, that they created out of nowhere. In that case the knowledge was created and not discovered.

On the flipside, language could be a planned concept by an omniscient god that enlightened the people who we now believe created it.

You seem fairly sure of yourself... Whys that?

So some god thought of every single one of the countless dialects that people have used since they started communicating?

Man what happened to you, you used to be all for logic. Now all you say is "Man, of course youre wrong. An omniscient alien God might have done it" to everything.

The logic is right there bro..

In the fact that we really dont know this shit......

I'm talking possibilities... Your assuming shit and acting as though you know something you cant know...

Not really... All im doing is taking a look at how the human brain works, and stating the fact that it can create abstractions and learn existing abstractions.

But you dont REALLY know that were creating and not discovering..

Do you...

If all there was was discovery, then how can people create their own opinions, realities, languages, imagination... ?

Because they wouldnt be creating them..

Theyd be discovering whats already there..

You ever see 3 around? Just plain, ordinary 3? Of course you havent, because it is an abstraction created by someone.

You're saying that the guy who thought of 3 "discovered" it somewhere? I suppose three's live in England, tre's live in Italy, san's live in Japan?

"No, but what if they were placed into reality by an omniscient all-knowing being. Then they wouldnt be created, they would be discovered."

Well whatever man, you can think that if you want.

I find it more plausable due to my belief that the universe is ordered...

An ordered universe where nothing is certain and nobody knows anything.

Cool.

Huh?

Where did you get that from?

When I say nothing is certain, I mean humans cant predict what god has planned for us. We just have to live it out.

So you do believe in an external god?

I dont believe..

I just know its a possibility.

But isnt that a sort of requirement for your belief that everything is ordered?

How would the universe being ordered equate to me knowing everything.

No human knows everything. So many things we can only speculate on.

No, I was talking about an external God.

Otherwise you're just saying "Everything happens for a reason, for no reason."

^^Or a reason that we can't comprehend or understand. =/

Neither knowledge is acquired trough a trial and error basis and then pased to others unless those others already know what your teaching

it's created but on very thin lines from being discovered

u discover information but you create knowledge bout it
its like you dont discover that you know that 1 + 1 = 2
but you discover what the answer is so that u can create knowledge bout it
so then you dont have ta look for the answer
when someone asks what 1 +1 equals

Let's say the theory of evolutio is correct:

We evolved from apes. Adaptation can be a factor in this agument. If we evolved from apes, then that means we would have to discover new ways of life as we evolved.

So knowledge is discovered.

But then we got to the point where we got intelligent and invented things.

Somebody invented the wheel. I doubt he walked through the woods one day and say a slab of cheese roll down a hill like some commercials say.

Let's look at it from a religious point of view:

God created Adam and Eve, giving them knowledge. He also gave man a free will and a brain to learn things with.

Therefore, from both points of view, it is both created and discovered.

...i have a headache now...