9/11 Conspiracies...Make no Sense
 

Tell me why they would use bombs. Which would contradict the story. Why could the US have not hijacked their own planes and still crashed them, thus having eye witness accounts of an actual plane crashing into the tower and even if the towers do not pancake, then it would still kill many and be perceived as a terrorist threat. While still having a higher percent of their own trained employees who survived.

Why the fuck would they use a controlled demolition? I could accept, Bush had the hijackers hijack the plane and crash them, MAYBE, but faking the existence of planes crashing into buildings in the first place to conceal a controlled demolition?

There is seriously no logic at all in that theory.

i seriously dont get why there would be any conspiracys about it
why would any president of the united stated bring destruction upon his country?

yet again i aint looked into the conspiracy shit that much if at all
so i wouldnt know...i know that they knew it was gon happen and did practically nothing about it but..

It does happen...President Lincoln provoked the Civil War by supplying Fort Sumter, I believe it was, on Confederate territory. The Confederates took the bait, and Lincoln could tell the half-truth by claiming "They started it."

Also happened when America was trying to take over all of Texas as it is today. America said the Texas Border extended past the (San Juan?) River, Mexico said it didn't, we built a base on (San Juan?) River, and wah-lah. Flawless.

Because they probably have bigger plans for the world trade center site....

because an aluminum can called a plane won't rock a steel building, and jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel. hell the most fragile part of the plane (the wings) would have broken clear off before it would have penetrated the building. so you gotta do something to take down the buildings - or else how the hell are you gonna get an entire country that hates you all behind you?! how else is you and your VP gonna make billions upon billions for you and your campaign financers if you cant' get oil and sell weapons that your company makes? how you gonna make billions off of "rebuilding" a country they you destroyed with your own company (haliburton) if you didn't??

common sense b. the real question is "why wouldn't they". shortly after both the towers went down, there was lots of talk in the news from achetectual engineers stating "there must have been explosives invovled because jet fuel alone is not hot enough". now, magically, the media (aka the 4th branch of government) doesn't give that evidence any any airtime at all.


...what a surprise.

they said arab hijackers took the planes, yet the flight records on ALL 4 planes that day (yes, i said 4) don't show not one single middle eastern name, yet the media isn't giving that any air time either.


...what a surprise.

bush and his butt buddies said they observed mohamad attah meeting with bin laden to plan all this out - yet the day they claim they witnessed this meeting, officials in a country thousands of miles away show mohamad in their custody the entire time. hmm...this isn't being discussed either


...what a surprise.

the list of evidence to show they're full of shit is a mile long man.

Hitler burned the Reistagg and blamed it on his foes the exact same way man. "9/11" is a page from the exact same play book.

dont get me started on this.

i knew the day it happened something wasnt right, and these videos just prove alot of my suspicions.

look at how many people ON THE DAY IT HAPPENED said the plane's didnt look like a commercial airline(no windows, no markings)... look how many members of the emergency services said the buildings collapsed with explosions like a controlled demolition.

also look at the damage to the lower floor of the building which experts(and emergency sertvices there that day) say was impossible from the impact of the plane, only way it could happen is with explosions from that level.

plus the fact, the pentagon crash sire and the pitsburgh one had absolutely no plane wreckage what so ever(look up photo's taken from that day by the media n stuff and ull see thats a hard fact that none exists).

and if you do research youll also find the theory of the hole in the building not matching that of a plane but more of a tomohawk missile impact, youll find that is also the most likely story.

and when you concider that security in the twin towers was lowered radically, and the only person with accesse to do that, is GEORGE BUSH'S BROTHER.. and also all the people who benefited from insurance claims e.t.c from this were all people with the power to make this event happen, and all claimed billions for it.

and who better to blame than a known terrorist??? look at his so called confession video.

in that video osama uses his right hands... yet hes left handed.

osama has a long thin nose.. in the video its short and fat and also not as grey as osama's.

he also acts different to how osama has acted in previous videos hes made.

also they claimed that they knew one of the terrorists names cos his passport survived the impact... how the fuck could a piece of paper survive??? yet the black boxes(or w/e theyre called) didnt???? i mean come on now, thats blatant bullshit... and over half the names accused of these suicide attacks, have been found alive and well and at work in different countries... if they were really the culprets, surely theyd be dead.

use your brain and stop letting the government control your mind.

^^LMAO yeah man one lone passport magically drifted down from this flaming wreckage of a plane supposedly buried deep in the core of a building floated aaaaaaaalllllll the way down to the street surface in pristine condition lmao yeah....i bet.

the day this happened the first reports didnt' say jack fuckin shit about a 747, it said people witnessed a bi-plane or some other personal aircraft. as the day went on, it became a 747.

Bin Laden, someone who hates america so much when initially told about this even said "sorry, but i didn't have jack shit to do with it" now why would someone who knows you can't find him, knows he's protected from the US military BY the Us military, someoen who's been visited at the hospital by FBI heads and would love more than anything else to have credit for such a job ever deny it unless he flat out wasn't involved?

this thread could be thousands of posts long. billions if the hundreds of millions of people in the world who feel the same all chimed in

actually i just watched a thing on it thats also posted on rv

and nevermind bout my last statement...bush DID knock down the towers
theres been MILLIONS of buildings that was on fire for as long as 24 hours and had alot more levels burning and never collapsed at all
yet the world trade towers (the "strongest" towers ever built in new york
happened to just collapse in 10 seconds by jet fuel which only spread to 4 layers

and why is there so much witnesses claiming ta hear a explosion that came before the planes and after the planes hit that came from a lower level??
u ever see HOW they collapsed???
looks very much like how it be if they knocked it to the ground
like they do to demolish old abandonded buildings and what not
we all know ta knock down big buildings u have ta blow it from the bottom

there was more than just planes in there if u trying ta tell me that just jet fuel knocked down the towers

Don't stop at 9/11... If the leaders of this country are capable of doing something as large-scale as this, imagine what other shit they're doing without you even knowing about it.

Question authority, don't accept the reality thats handed to you.

you all are correct..i been looking into this shit ever since i had a dream about being on the top floor of the world trade center when teh planes hit....i'm not gona go into detail o n the dream becuase even though it was a few months ago it still kinda scares me...so yea....the planes were used as a destraction from what really brought the buildings down..and that is explosions......them some snicky mofos...i mean damn

but what i don't understand is why something like this?....i dont know if the governemtn REALLY is behind this..but if they are then why would they kill innocent people like that? and be able to live with that like nothing has happend?.....i mean..come on...if you was president would you be able to sleep at night knowing your responsible for killing thousands of people...and any other governemtn officials...?

to gurantee they collapse and a catastrophe to that degree occurred? i dont agree with the conspiracies at all, but i dont think this is a very good argument against them...

blayboy....don't take the word of what anyone here is saying.. because nobody here can put up a better arguement then the people who made the loose change video..its here in teh Lyricst Lounge somewhere...watch it...if you already have...then there nothing we can do for ya man...

9/11, RIP.

damn :huh: :huh: :huh:

but anyway.....9/11 has changed our fuckin lives yo....i wish it would of never happend....i always wanted to visit the WTCs...but damn..they done went and fucked everything up

i honestly dont think that bush set out to kill thousands of people by planting bombs...

sounds pretty rediculous to me...

dude was a cheerleader....who knows a male cheerleader that would kill a wasp?..let alone thousands of humans..lmao

wait, are you asking how can someone who lives a privelaged and pampered life all their existance, someone who's a well known racist, a shill and a crook on his best day not care about the death of people he's been vred all his life to see as beneath him?

because those bodies are just collateral damage to provoke the rest of the country into motion. a cattle prod. in his opinion a "necessary evil" to help him stack the billions

Lmao. Well shit, when you set the bar that high only an idiot would believe that Bush wasn't involved. Nobody registered on rapverse.com can present a better arguement of what happened? Wow, this is breaking news. Somebody call CNN because it has been confirmed that nobody on rapverse can present an arguement that matches Loose Change's, so therefore Bush had to have played a role in 9/11 in some aspect or another.

Please.

I'm willing to bet that if I didn't have more important things going on I could present a logical arguement to contest Loose Change's. There's no doubt in my mind that I could. It's just I have bigger things to worry about right now then what you guys think. Believe what you want, but don't say that because you don't think anybody from this site can match Loose Change, that therefore Loose Change must be 100% factual.

You have to be a deeper thinker then that, man. I'm not saying that you're a fucking shallow ass retard if you don't believe what I do; whether or not I agree with you is irrelevant to everything. It's whatever though, do what you want.

damn mime, spent 3 paragraphs talking about a better argument instead of presenting one

Lol, like I said, it's whatever man. I only felt like responding because I laughed at how nobody here could contest Loose Change, as if that makes the video completely factual, set in stone type of shit. After that I just spent like, 2 minutes typing up some other shit and boom. . done. I wasn't joking when I said I don't care what anybody here thinks about topics like this. It doesn't really bother me to know you guys don't agree with me. It's all good.

those 4 paragraphs about bringing up a logical argument are more than you could write actually giving one.

ive tried myself, ive had so many none beleivers of the theories try and fail misserably.

answer how the buildings collapsed with such precision without being packed with explosives.... and also explain why fire fighters and demolishions experts said "it was as if somebody was sat pressing button after button to blow out the floors accordingly".

also explain why the government and "witnesses" said the plane hit the ground and slid across the pentagon lawn(GRASS) before hitting the building... yet in ALL the pictures the lawn was in perfect condition.

explain why this so called COMMERCIAL PLANE(passanger plane), had NO WINDOWS.. nore did it have COMMERCIAL MARKINGS...that basically takes the idea of it being commercial away.

also explain how the pittsburgh crash site had no wreckage and no bodies. and also why all emergency services exact words were "this looked nothing like a crash site... there was no wreckage nore bodies".

explain why all cctv footage from surrounding buildings was confiscated by the FBI and only 5 frames from a pentagon cctv camera were ever released, and even in that footage you can clearly see its not a plane.

explain why osama denied it, and then a blatantly fake video appears of him "admitting it was him"

spend less time talking about HOW you could argue it. and more time ACTUALLY argueing it.

its about time i saw you involved in a mature discussion.

it honestly looks like your just hiding the fact you cant come up with a logical argument.

^^yup, those two look like ownage to me lol

Yeah, that's it. You called my bluff. I really do care what you guys think, I'm just denying the inevitable truth because I'm ignorant and have no actual realization of what the government is or what it's capable of.

Have a nice day.

For what? What motive do I have to do that? I don't fucking have one, because debates on this site are pointless. Name one positive thing that comes out of me spending an hour or two of my time developing and presenting an arguement in a way that will clearly depict my opinions/beliefs on 9/11. What will happen after I post that up? Ahaha, NOT A DAMN THING. You may try to say that it's bullshit, but I won't care so then I'll wonder why I even bothered typing it up. So, I came up with this brilliant idea to avoid that thought procees - NOT TYPING IT UP.

WOO HOO! If you want to believe that I'm hiding from something, fine. Have a fucking field day with that. If you think that you owned me, fine. Feel free to slap "I owned Mimesis in a thread about 9/11" in your sig or some shit. Ahahaha, do whatever makes you feel like a fucking bad ass, man. HAVE A BLAST! :bored:

It IS a necessary evil..

yeah.

greedy people think any evil that gets what they want is a "neccessary" evil.

evil is never neccessary

or maybe you could educate someone to something you know and they don't.

just maybe.

So..

Your agaist your own country staying as a world power?

Against your country having higher access to a diminishing resource?

..............Are you against war?

exactly.

thats all that needs to be said.

america isn't "my own country" dawg, i just live here. and I'm comfortable with the U.S. staying a world super power. however I'm NOT comfortable with those in power abusing military muscle and bullying 3rd world scape-goats as a means to usher in their personal monopoly.

...which costs me though the ass three fold, I might add.

Okay...so the government flew a biplane into the building?

You do know that the government was aware that news would get out, right? And all of America would see it. Something makes me think they wouldn't make that many mistakes. By the way, loosechangeguide.com shows that there are over FOUR HUNDRED AND TWENTY MISTAKES made in the Loose Change video, from factual errors to similies taken as literal truth (it was LIKE a bomb went off, because you know, people sure are very logical about deducing the difference between a bomb going off and a massive plane crashing into a National landmark). There are references to other buildings being destroyed that were about contained fires, but perhaps ou haven't seen the actual size of the plane? It was multiple times the size of the Boeing that they showed in the Loose Change video to show the damage it would require. The landing gear, not the nose, created the hole in the building. The hole was actual size, though it was widened afterwards to allow for emergency exits and whatnot. The plane crashed at over 500 mph. The secondary explosions...no fucking duh. What would you expect after a plane crashes into a building? Hearts and candy? There are generators and transformers and electrical wiring.

Don't presume just because I don't abide by some propaganda video full of devious errors that I 'believe what the government tells me'.

And by the way, Apexx, steel loses 50% of its strength at about 650 degrees celcius, and I'd love to see the reports where legitimate experts agree with the conspiracy theory. Because I'm quite under the impression no one does. One of the experts that Loose Change provides claimed they were actually affiliated with companies that helped build the planes/towers. Except research will prove that they didn't, and were actually working in water facilities instead of steel.

Yeah, because, a building with an over two story debris pile that damages many of the buildings around it is a very precise pile. Yeah, and perhaps you've never heard of what a similie is? Show me where any demolitions expert would claim that. Sources, please.



Yeah, I bet the lawn is in perfect condition. Explain where you got this information from. Oh wait, the smoke-filled picture on Loose Change, right? So you're telling me the government made another obvious error after punching themselves in the nose and running home to their mommy to blame the school bully?



You'll find several different accounts of the story...and you may notice that Loose Change doesn't even claim the voices of those witnesses are actually related to the towers, they could just be rambling. Explain to me why they WOULDN'T use a commercial airplane and say that it was. It'd make more sense to, I don't know, hijack the real plane instead.



There is a lot of wreckage and bodies. Loose Change contradicts itself: at one part, a "witness" claims from their ANGLE they didn't see anything but a hole and broken trees. Then he proceeded to say something along the lines of 'the people said that it looked like metal scraps had been dumped into a hole'. Yeah, it's kinda called...a similie. Also explain to me why the US would make this huge error. You ever realize that, I don't know, Loose Change never actually talks to a structural engineer or anything?



1. What makes you think 5 frames can comprehend a 500 mph plane?
2. Ever heard of...confidential investigations for the official report?



Where did he deny it? Give me a legitimate source that is not a conspiracy theorist newspaper. Because in the lighting his nose looks different it's not him? Even though, if you look in the news, you can see things such as "Osama tells Iraqians to fight against Americans"? And this isn't proof of an actual bombing. I can accept the story of a plane being hijacked by America, and that Osama wasn't actually in on it really and framed, but not when the theory includes the thought of bombs being present.

im just glad RV is finally talking about this shit
I've tried for a while to get a thread up where we can discuss this
so rather than further my argument, im gonna sit back and read all these different views you all have
and the view mimesis claims to have but doesnt support besides saying i got better things to do lmao
keep it up, THIS is what intelligent people should do...

look how the twin towers feel, then watch how controlled buildings fall... pretty much exactly the same, and its funny how the only other building knocked down was related to the government(cnt rememberexactly what it was)

as for the pentagon lawn. i got that info from the fact it was all over the news and in newspapers shit ill find pictures that were used on tv and in news papers to prove my point it was in perfect condition.

http://www.danbielefeld.com/images/...opper-smoke.jpg
http://www.hnn.navy.mil/archives/01...agon_damage.jpg
http://www.blogwashington.com/Pentagon-9-11.jpg

and the best image's to prove the point

http://911review.org/images/pentagon/01749vp_2.jpg

http://www.teamlaw.org/images/Penthitista.jpg

and do you see any debris???? do you see any damage from where the wings and engine should have hit had it been a plane??? no. come on stop being simple.

why would it??? you do know one of the so called hi jacked planes was found landed at another airport and the passengers moved into a nasa building where as the rest from other planes moved some place else. also the witness accounts speak for themselves, and as i say, alot of these were announced on the fucking day that it happened in live tv interviews on the news.... it was only as things went on the media story started to change.... also look at the video closely, slow it down and zoom in under the nose of the planes, just before impact you get a flash that looks very much like a detonation... you can also see for yourself theres no markings nore is there any windows.

dude, in a plane wreckage you get engines, wing sections, tail sections fuelslauge(sp?)... not of that was found, only a few metal sheets were.. the coroner went home after 12 minutes for the lack of bodies.

http://www.knoxstudio.com/SIEGE/pacrash.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/gra...09/27/ffpit.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/15450..._site_150ap.jpg
http://graphics.boston.com/globe/im...13/wreckage.jpg

show me the wreckage?? matter of fact heres some pictures from other plane crashes.

http://www.sfu.ca/~qgrc/people/thomas/crash.jpg
http://media.nasaexplores.com/01-039/crash.jpg
http://www.newsvine.com/_vine/image...11504031301.jpg
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-ima...15/crash372.jpg
http://english.pravda.ru/img/idb/photo/001-351.jpg
http://www.state.gov/cms_images/200...aplanecrash.jpg
http://stevespak.com/fires/queens/lagjetcrash.jpg

want me to continue??? all different kinds of planes yet all leave BIG chunks of wreckage... yet these particular ones didnt???? come on now. and dont say they left peices of metal sheet... theyd leave an awfull lot more than just that.

dude check the 5 frames out.... the closest thing u see to a plane a blur moving into the building thats less than half the size of a commercial air plane.

as for the bin laden thing, the lighting??? dude his fuckin nose is fatter, shorther, and flatter than osama's is, and osama is left handed but he does everything right handed in the video, get a clue.

actually

http://www.spiritofprophecy.org/Osama%20bin%20Laden.jpg (long thin and pointed).

http://tim.2wgroup.com/blog/images/obl/sm/obl2.jpg (shor fat and flat).

also you know for a fact something like this is exactly what osama would get a hard on to admit to.... yet he denied it, and he also said the reason being the new countries leader does not allow it which is why he wouldnt have done it.... and then suddenly this fake video appears.

and if you dont beleive bombs were used, why were explosions video'd on floors below where the plane hit(up to 20+ floors down)... to weaken the structure???? help it fall more organised??? or maybe its the lighting(as you would claim)*rolls eyes*.

nice to see one person failed at a logical explination for things.

what do you think going to war is... a picnic? the president's have declared tons of wars in the past and thousands of people die because of that
..
and the reason for both 9/11 and wars is money. so obviously billions of dollars is worth more to them then an over populated country. the government made that choice a very long time ago

we should do a poll
to see who believes exactly what on RV

that may be true...but that money is just going right back out to teh war.....war is a large expense...i guess the money coming in is more then what is going out....i have no clue really

That's funny, because I was under the impression when a building falls down it looks like a building falling down. What else should a building that is being ravaged by internal fires look like? And just so you know, it didn't crumple in one spot, in one direction. It was leaning to the South.

Loosechange is not bolded. Loosechangeguide.com response in bold. To show you how legitimate loosechangeguide.com is, you might want to take a quick browse at the appendix:

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg6.html

There are some nice links on that.





as for the pentagon lawn. i got that info from the fact it was all over the news and in newspapers shit ill find pictures that were used on tv and in news papers to prove my point it was in perfect condition.

http://www.danbielefeld.com/images/...opper-smoke.jpg
http://www.hnn.navy.mil/archives/01...agon_damage.jpg
http://www.blogwashington.com/Pentagon-9-11.jpg

and the best image's to prove the point

http://911review.org/images/pentagon/01749vp_2.jpg

http://www.teamlaw.org/images/Penthitista.jpg

and do you see any debris???? do you see any damage from where the wings and engine should have hit had it been a plane??? no. come on stop being simple.



You know that story has been debunked, right? And yeah, the story would change...it's called finding new information.



I will do so.




You think I'm stupid? Look at what you're saying..you think the government would allow all this shit to leak out, right? You think they'd throw in random sheets of steel and claim it was a plane? Show me your source of where it says the coroner went home after finding no bodies, cuz I'm sure like quite a few human remains were located.



That person is obviously pro-conspiracy theories, but here's your wreckage: http://debris.0catch.com/

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/...07flight93.html
http://www.jonhoyle.com/GeneCodes/LATimes.htm

Does it get any better than this? http://ndms.chepinc.org/data/files/3/266.pdf



You do realize that the government released this to the public, which would be seen by many, many people...every single thing you said relies on the assumption that no one took anything into consideration if the government was going to destroy one of its own buildings and spark a war. Link me to a site with the frames, please.



Why don't you get a clue and learn to fucking read? Because I said it could be an imposter, easily, and all I'm disproving is the ridiculousness of the bomb theory.



Or maybe it's electrical circuiting and generators and transformers and multiple other things that could explode...Or maybe you think that everything inside of an advanced building is just paper and desks *rolls eyes*. Perhaps you don't understand exactly how big the plane was? Look at loosechangeguide.com and plenty of other sites that go about debunking 9/11 theories...you'll get your answers better than what I can give.



Nice to see one person's failed attempt at using ad hominem, and using outdated sources, using a video (Loose Change) with over 420 mistakes in it as one of your sources.

From loosechangeguide.com, concerning the errors in Loose Change.

nah that's not true. you pay for all of that. the money for the weapons comes from the destruction comes from tax payer dollars, and the money for this "rebuilding" comes from tax payer dollars. of course everyone employed in either of those efforts gets paid the whole way.

then you pay through the ass again for the oil from the siezed oil fields that their companies now own.

that's how you pay through the ass 3 fold.

yeah i finished reading that link, ima read it again
im not feeling their debunking style
they basically respond by saying what are your sourceS? how do you know?
thats not debunking shit
certain things they provide alternate explanations for......but not fact

so either or that leaves us were we started..........