Have you ever...
Looked at the fish, swimming about?
They are really enjoying themselves. |
How do you know their range of emotions even includes happyness?
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How do you know I dont know the fish can feel happiness?
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How do you know the water doesn't swim around the fish?
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how do you know we are actually seeing water...or fish for that matter
after all, we only see what our eyes tell us is there... |
The fish are happy, because they dont have to worry about what they know and what they dont know!
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Do you wish you were born stupid? |
I was born stupid. Then I grew up.
Being stupid was ill. Everyone looked after me, and everything was so entertaining. |
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No, I mean do you wish you were born without the capacity to learn? |
No, but im not thankful for it... Ive learnt a lot of stupid and terrible things.
Maybe it would have been better if I wasnt born in the first place... Would have at least been quieter that way. Not that I would know. |
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Thats bitch talk... Life aint easy..........But its a gift that we have intelligence and are able to live a far more fulfilling life than a lot of animals that have to fight harder to survive without the brains to ever understand matters of logic and reason. If you think youd rather just not exist.......Then you are a lathargic mother fuck of a person... |
I truly appreciate existence. Probably a lot more than you do.
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Yeah, it really shows in the way you talk... Quote:
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No it doesnt... None of my feelings can be shown in the way I talk.
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Man.... You better be kiddin I'm ending this listen, this herbs wack Teru if thats the case.. You obviously never heard rap Cause words that, Get on my page, are always in honest aim Of expressing the essence in the message of what I'm saying I mean.. ..If you can not obtain, feeling in words Then johnno see, your a mockery & Your honestly lost to me Because, feelings are the most direct cause for speech If people feel something they say it, cause talk is cheap I mean.. Sure you might be thinking that................I didnt get it & Thats cause everything you ever fucking write is pathetic But check it, there aint no point in correcting you please So for the last part of my verse I'm disecting your speech Quote:
Contemplating the worth of your own existance is not Apreciating the greater whole of this bigger physical plot You gotta understand, your given this life as a gift So dont make ungreatful statements like a trife little bitch OMB... |
The fact that you think you can express your thoughts and opinions through words means you either:
1. Dont understand them. 2. Have very simple thoughts and opinions, or 3. Have never experienced life properly. |
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1. I would say the same thing about you.. 2. Yes, some feelings are very simple.. Shit like "I'm hungry" means you feel hungry, shit like "I wanna go that way" means you feel like traveling in a particular direction. and so on. 3. I think I'd be safe in saying I've experienced just as much or more from life than you have... Words are the product of feelings... Did you not realise that? Why do they have a word for love? Because its a feeling that humans required a name for. Words ARE just a human invented system of sounds and symbols that label all things. If you say you hate someone, what are you describing? ............(a feeling).......... If you say "youve never experienced life properly".....You say this because you dont want to feel inferior in this argument, so you attempt to attack my credibility not realising you let yourself be read like an open book. Some words we use to express our feelings are more complicated than others, but you can almost always decypher the way someone is feeling using nothing but their words. If you cant do that..............Then maybe you arnt really as smart as you think you are... ^^^(see, I can do it too) |
Describe EXACTLY your last LSD trip.
And dont just give me "I understood everything, shit was all fucked up and I was fucked up. Shit was fucked. I was going crazy." Really describe it. Really tell me exactly what you felt during that trip, so that I can understand your feelings through your words. |
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My last one? Monday night.. Dropped a tab at 8:00pm... Started smoking cones at 10:00pm.. It was basically a mixture of uncontrollable explosive happyness and euphoria for the first... 6/7 hours.. After that I was still smoking cones and the acid felt like it was still running strong but I could feel it slowly comming down as it did over the next.......4/5 hours before I went to sleep the next day... I know what your getting at.. You want to make it seem as though you have no idea what I was feeling while I was on that drug from just my words. Right? |
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Yup. You expressed yourself terribly! I still have more or less no understanding of what you were feeling. Uncontrollable explosive happiness and euphoria? Like what... Like... The kind of happiness a girl gets on her wedding day? The kind of explosive euphoria of winning the lottery? And hold on a second there... I didnt ask you for your itinerary, I asked you for your feelings and thoughts. What did the come down feel like? "Coming down" ... wtf is that? I want to know what you were feeling, since you can express yourself so well. Come on, can't you do this? |
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I thought youd be smarter than that.. One of the biggest things that matters when reading, is knowing who the material is comming from. You know who I am, so everything you know about me should be used to judge what I'm saying. And heres where 'life experience' comes into play.. Youve never taken acid before... So youve never actually been in anything close to that mindstate, maybe if you had experienced this drug, you might be able to relate to what I'm saying rather than taking stabs in the dark with different types of happyness. Thats called ignorance............... |
And thats called not being able to express yourself...
Why not tell me what one of your weed highs is like? |
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Yeah sorry about that one man....... Next time I have to describe something for you, I'll put everything I say into laymans terms and dumb it down a bit for you with heaps of detail... What are you kidding? You already lost the argument... Dont scrape the bottom of the barrel and try to make some sort of come back attacking my credibility for describing something your ignorant to with little detail and not giving a shit. Its pathetic... |
Express to me what a weed high is like.
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No.. Because it will achieve nothing. |
If you can express what a weed high is like, you are proven right... Thats the point.
Your argument has turned from something decent to insults and saying that the argument is over. What happened? |
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Do you believe that if asked, you could not describe any feeling with words? |
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why dont u buy a dime sack instead |
I believe we shouldnt change the topic of this discussion, and that you should try and express what a weed high is like. :)
But ok, ill play along. No, I cannot describe any feelings PROPERLY and ACCURATELY with words. Let me explain. For example, love. I can easily say to my gf "I love you," but do you think that gives my feeling justice? Do you really think she understands exactly the way I feel? No way. Words are inadequate to describe emotions, feelings and thoughts. What about something simpler than love, like hunger which you mentioned before... Consider this: Two people say "I'm so hungry." Exactly the same expression/words. One of them is from a third world country, and barely eats enough to survive. One of them is from Australia and has gone to work, but skipped breakfast, and now its lunch time. Those two feelings of hunger are completely different. Heres the tricky part, and the part I know you are going to argue against. We can understand the word hungry, because we have experienced hunger, right? True. That just proves that words are inadequate. The only reason you will ever be able to express a feeling to somebody is if they have felt it as well. Even then the expression is hazy. This is because feelings can only be felt, and not explained. They can be referred to, but not expressed. That's why you couldnt explain your LSD trip to me, thats why we can't possibly understand the third world country boy's hunger. Even if he used the most complex, descriptive language, we still wouldnt know what its like. So yeah, we cant describe any feelings with words, but we can refer to feelings and the degree of that feeling. |
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I was trying to make him try to explain something we have both experienced, to show him that even though we both have experienced it, a complex thing like a weed high cant possibly be expressed accurately in words. |
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Your being so narrow minded... Words can describe literally anything. If I really wanted to I could sit here and type a big paragraph on what its like to be high on weed or LSD.. But because I wasnt expecting my reader to be an ignorant fuck... I chose to instead use labeling adjectives that explain in part what it was like. When someone says their hungry.. As I've previously said, you can often determine their type of hunger from things you already know about that person. If a hungry child gave you a full description of his physical and mental condition during periods of extreme hunger, you would be able to understand exactly what his hunger is like. |
OK, well all youre doing as it stands is saying "Yeah, words can exactly describe any feeling."
So go ahead, describe happiness for me. |
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Enjoyment.........being content.....To a certain degree depending on a number of defining factors... Thats happiness. |
Thats not happiness. Youve stated two OTHER feelings. Enjoyment and contentedness.
Describe happiness, or if you want pick one of the two new ones you mentioned go ahead and describe those exactly. |
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If you want a clearer explenation than that, I need a situation to base this 'happyness' off. Dont try and get too tricky for yourself man.. What your doing is like asking someone to write a song about 'chair'... If you need a descriptive explenation of happyness, you need to be writing from the perspective of someone who is experiencing it. |
OK, the situation is you havent smoked for like 2 weeks, and you finally got some weed.
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Bad example.. I prolly would be slightly happy... But it wouldnt be that big of a deal... |
lmao at the topic, yea I've just watched fish and they seem as if they have it all together when in actuallity they have no clue.
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Thats still a feeling isnt it? I thought you could explain any feeling exactly with words? So explain that one. |
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