NO heaven people.
 

understand this. when you die, nothing happens to you. it's like sleeping.

a regular heart rate is at like 70 - 90 in a relax status. once you sleep your heart rate drops to around 50-60, where you blank out and sleep. No dreams are happening. your just blank out, untill like the last hour where the dream happens.
once your heart rate reaches a low you body shuts down.

and also. when you get knocked out, the moment you are knocked out. you don't dream, you can't think or anything, well ppl... thats how death is. you being knocked out is like short term death, where u wake up in like 20seconds later. while death is you not coming back beacause the blow is bad.

you think God waits for you to die to put you in heaven? no nothing happens. god isn't a fairy, he don't make shit like that human. his power has limit, and none of the limit goes to you. as the glaxay is way to large.

Yeah.

Its so stupid how people are afraid of that. "Oh, isnt it terrible! We'll die and there will just be nothing at all! No WAY I would want that to happen to me!" When of course they wont be around to experience how terrible it is.

Thats NOT to say there is no such thing as heaven. But you don't go there after your physical death, thats for sure.

"energy can't be created or destroyed"-alber eistein.... so something has to happen to our energy... so not nothing happens... jus sumin we'll never be able to explain while alive so we should stop tryin to

oh shit!

Serbness MUST of died to know this

ALL HAIL SERBNESS!!!

:rolleyes:

rofl i think i should kill myself and see if he's right

I find it funny when people try to come to a definite conclusion on something they know nothing about....

Good work man... Dickhead of the week...

Dude, your energy is already dwindling from old age, or your body isnt able to process it due to a fatal blow. You're not the only thing in the universe, your energy would just dissipate into whatever is around, or stay in your body for a while till it starts decomposing.

Ye but Teru...you know everything...

i unno man may be right...but still there's no evidence to support OR deny his claims...what if in this realm our energy is fading, but only into another realm where it's building itself up for the re-birth...

jus seems stupid how his ignorant arse is TELLING us what's gonna happen...where's the evidence to support his claim?

Yeah I guess so, about him telling.

What I meant was our energy fades, as in it leaves our bodies and gets returned to the universe, which is what allows other beings to exist and manifest.

The concept of an afterlife seems like a desperate plea to continue existence after death. It will be like before you were born, which we have all experienced, or technically not experienced. If you're talking heaven, then you existing there as you think now is impossible. Remember, theres no suffering in heaven, and in this existence our thoughts (which stem from our personalities) are full of desire and suffering. Honestly, get the picture of clouds and harps out of your brain and think about it.

Heaven... Where worldly things hold no importance, and there is no suffering, and you are with God.

So money, women, posessions, entertainment, lust, any worldly pleasure or object is NOT part of heaven.

No suffering. In hebrew, the word for suffering is not best translated as suffering. More accurately in this situation, it would be translated as something along the lines of a deep, deep suffering, not necessarily related to physical pain (although it can be), but emotional and mental anguish.

With God. Now where's God? The bible tells us God is everywhere, everything, and is inside us all. Nowhere does it say God is in some other dimension that you can only reach by dying. Heaven = described as being with God.

"Heaven" in the christian sense could not possibly be some other realm that you enter into after death. The only reason that useless concept has lingered for so long in society and religion is because its great. I mean fucking score, we die and we get a new life in which there is no suffering. Shits teriffic, but sadly (not that I would consider it sad that its not true) a false hope.

How do you know anything youve said is true teru.....

Who says theres no clouds and harps in the afterlife......

There may be, and there may not be.......

If there was no heaven, then all those suicide bombers are kicking themselves now because they were cheated out of their 72 or however many virgins. Imagine killing yourself so you can get laid and getting diddly squat.

lmfao @ this dumbass comparing dying to sleeping for an extended period of time, some people have actually legally died, there heart was NOT beatin, the flat line, the long beep, and have came back with testimonies on how god told them it wasnt their time.

but anyway think whatever you want to think, ill pray for you

oh and by the way, gods power doesent have a limit you fuking dumbass, you piss me off

the term's clinically dead...

and i was watching a documentary about this guy in Texas who had to be made clinically dead in order to have an anaurysm removed from his brain...shit was dope...

they had to induce hypothermia into him to slow the heart rate down ot zero and drop his body temperature to 10 degrees C because by doing that it actually slowed down the metabolic rate to where the blood stopped pumping round his body and deflating the anaurysm and also cooling him down to a point where there was less chance of brain damage and prolonged brain deterioation...normal temperature and no heart rate you have roughly 3-5 minutes before you have total brain damage and because of the hypothermia, doc's operated on a clinically dead patient for an hour an 20 mins and they slowly warmed him back up and then his heart began functioning on it's own without having to be shocked, something which they normally have to do.

But yeah there were a couple more segmants in the documentary...one was how it got found out how hypothermia could be used and it was this norwegian woman who got trapped under ice but could still breathe, and her heart was slowing down because the water was bringing in hypothermia...her core temp went to 12c when they got to her and her heart stopped...

they took her to some norwegian hospital and were doing CPR for 6 hours on her...they were even pumping her cold blood out and tubes were going through warm water and re-entering her body to bring her temperature up...well eventually after 6 hours...her heart started working.

But she was in a coma for 3 weeks and was "clinically dead" multiple times & revived during those weeks and when she woke up...obviously mentally fucked...she was paralysed from the neck down but that was only due to the trauma...and eventually after months of rehabilitation she was walking around with full mobility and speech & memory, in fact the only noticable damage is in her hands where they've crooked up...but yeah she leads a normal life now and her brain was without oxygen for 6 hours.

and there was another woman who had the same procedure as the guy i'm talkin about originally who (and this is where i'm getting at) while she was clinically dead, had an outer body experience where she saw this light and it was getting closer to her, she spoke to her dead grand mother and she could also remember hearing the nurses and doctors speaking to each other as they struggled to get her heart going again...and the thing's she was saying were almost perfect...

how she was able to witness and hear things happening when her body is shut down totally is unexplainable...it didn't happen with the other 2 people in my post but the fact that she & other people who've been clinically dead have all similar experiences is totally unexplainable...i was thinkin to myself...these are the people not near death experience people...but people who have been clinically dead and revived...these are the people who are the closest to know what it's like "afterlife" not us, not Serb the herb, not even YOU Terumoto...

And those near death experiences (NDE's) are the reason why what I said is not true?

Personally, I dont buy into that stuff. The evidence and arguments against the validity of those experience far outweighs the evidence of our conciousness being possible outside the brain. Not to mention the fact that a lot of those stories are sensationalized to entertain and provoke the audience.

I'm not a hardcore skeptic, but it just doesnt do it for me.

Here is a link I found which explains a few of the arguments for and against NDE's:

http://skepdic.com/nde.html

edit: Particularly note the part that says there is PROOF that doesn't rule out the possibility of an afterlife, but it does rule out that NDE's are proof of an afterlife.

ok ok remember in my big arse post i said NOT NDE's purely coz...they weren't actually "dead" so to speak

The term 'near-death experience', or NDE, refers to a wide array of experiences reported by some people who have nearly died or who have thought they were going to die.

^ that's the first sentence in the link you provided...

the people i have mentioned...were flatline, no brain activity whatsoever...DEAD in medical terms...NDE's aren't dead in medical terms...they're just as the saying goes "within an inch of their life"

so what are you trying to say considering i'm not talking about this party of people?...bearing in mind out of 3 examples i gave, only 1 CLINICALLY DEAD patient experienced an outer body experience...

basically i'm with you on this one as well, there's no way we could possibly understand what happens after we die because we haven't been dead then recussitated...i reckon 90% percent don't even know themselves who it's happened to but there's a percentage who've managed to recollect "memories" while they've been flatline with no active brain stimulation

FYI i was referring to serbness' post

NDE means anybody who has been dead and then come back to life. They only call it near death because it was not a final death.

I've seen those documentaries as well.. Its always some woman from Texas, or like some guy from England or Georgia or some shit. They make all these claims with no actual proof, and many viable explinations.

God damn.....
This guys got it all figured out.

na it's cool i jus used this thread as a good excuse to tell people aboutthe programme i saw the other day coz it was real interesting and i was too lazy to make a thread...

and the documentary i saw wasn't about NDE...it was following a man who had to be clinically dead to have an anaurysm removed...the woman who told her story bout her outer body experience was more a filler side of the programme...

but it's mad interesting...i still think these people have a better idea...not actually KNOW what happens when you die...but they've definitely been to a place of existence that we can only imagine...unless it happens to us

Close your eyes and focus on the color yellow...just imagine a block of that color. See how long you can maintain that image. For some, a second or two; others claim to be able to do it for long periods of time. The brain is able to mentally reproduce color, which is: light reflecting off objects + cones in the eyes = chemical reaction = brain registers and interprets. By closing your eyes, you cancel out both light and the cones present in your eyes to receive the certain registered color.

A good example of this would be dreaming in color --- something not all people do, as a substansial porportion of the human race dreams in black and white (which I personally do not do). So we're able to reproduce these colors --- even black and white are colors, having their own reasons for being separate.

So we're able to create images of the real world, even from fantasy. The brain itself is immeasurably complex, and it seems if there is a possibility of the body even being resurrected the brain may theoretically be able to function and produce near-death experiences. Everything in the universe moves unless it's energy or has reached absolute zero.

The brain commonly shows us what we want to believe...and it knows, subconsciously, that you just got hit by a car or a sledgehammer crashed into your chest and stopped your heartbeat. You don't know this, when you're clinically dead, but if your brain is able to survive this particular time, with its immense complexity, it's probably going to tailor to your specific religious belief or whatever. Light at the end of the tunnel, speaking with your grandmother, anything you associate with death can subconsciously rise. Just like you don't control your dream consciously --- at least in the beginning.

I'd like to see if any Hindus or any other religion has also seen the light at the end of the tunnel (especially if they've never even been within earshot of the term before).

Long story short, I'm going to be cremated incase my brain continues to function though the energy of thought still being in existence. It'll probably suck, the afterlife, because there is that rather grim possibility of the energy in your body continuing to exist. I'm going to get cremated and sprinkled along the Earth, so at least if this is the case I don't 'stare' at the lid of my coffin for an eternity.

Remembering or seeing thought in colors is just a tool of memory. All any memory is is a neural sequence similar to that of a real experience, but with a tag on it so your body doesnt confuse it with reality. When the tag malfunctions, thats when you get shit like hallucinations, dellusions, and conditions such as schizophrenia.

Light at the end of the tunnel is a very common NDE, and even a very common response to some drugs. It's caused by neural noise.

If you started with very little neural noise and it gradually increased, the effect would be of a light at the centre getting larger and larger and hence closer and closer....the tunnel would appear to move as the noise levels increased and the central light got larger and larger....If the whole cortex became so noisy that all the cells were firing fast, the whole area would appear light (Blackmore 1993, 85).

or or or or... so u know nothin as well

Uhh.. That is just apparent. You can even prove it in science. As things decompose they produce heat energy, kinetic energy and various other kinds of energy. Those energies are then no longer in the body, but in the universe.

Proof? Any theories with actual evidence?

No? Alright then.

The one I stated is proven, but it doesn't disprove other theories.

ummmm, so who died and got a chance to tell this information? thats my only question

People who have died and then been revived.

really........*ponders*

Teru, the point was that the mind is able to do things such as make up what is not there. Yes, there is light at the end of the tunnel, but more of along the lines of being judged at the pearly gates or angels with little harps (I'm quite sure angels are supposedly something like three-headed dragons, instead of the romanticized fluffy-winged creatures of today), your brain is powerful enough at times like that to produce images that don't exist. Like you said, when that line is crossed, you become delusional. That line would probably be crossed at the point of dying, where they probably receive the vision, and not at the actual time of death. Not that I have any scientific proof, but it's speculation --- I'm sure the links you provided have more accurate data.