The best savings and investment plan...
 

Is to TITHE (10% of your income) to God. You do this by giving the money to your local church or the church to which you're a member. The bible is quite explicit regarding the expectation of God for His believers to tithe and give offerings. When you tithe, you're basically depositing in God's bank and therefore have a right to make withdrawals later. When you hoard your money and rob God of His 10%, you subject yourself to ramifications that'll most likely reveal themselves as financial hardship. God wants to bless us. But, there are certain principles to follow. The point is, if you want God to magnify your wealth, then give back to Him what already belongs to Him in the first place, 10% of your income.


Malachi Chapter 10 verses 10-12 say:

10Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

11And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.

12And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the LORD of hosts.

my question is, did "tithe" (or the Hebrew word they used for it) really literally mean 10% back then? if not, who decided it was 10%?

The word "tithe" means tenth...The actual etymology (history) of the word tithe comes from old english. But, the concept of giving a "tenth" goes back to the Levitical law Moses handed down to the Israelites before they became a nation.

Leviticus 27:30

-30And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.

The command to tithe and the principle of giving is repeated throughout the old and new testaments.

I have to do research to find out what the ancient hebrew says. But, I'm sure it equates to 10th...

The New Life Version of the bible translates Malachi 3:10 as follows:

10 Bring the tenth part into the store-house, so that there may be food in My house. Test Me in this," says the Lord of All. "See if I will not then open the windows of heaven and pour out good things for you until there is no more need.

fuck dat shit 10% is a lot of muney , fuck dat bull crap

1 out of 10 dollars is a lot of money to u?


Thinking that way will keep you broke brotha.





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i dont trust those priest nuns etc. with my money they can fuck off with that bullshit, giving money in hopes of earning more back defeats the purpose, arent you suppose to give money just because you want to/want to help or w/e and only that, i dont think god is gonna send me to burn in flames forever because i didnt give him money, fuck that, i rather give money to people who really need it then some dumbass priest who isnt starving to death and probably butt fucked a little kid

Let me address those concerns:

#1..Giving money with the HOPE of getting back isn't defeating the purpose. Rather, it's an assurance that the PRINCIPLE of sowing and reaping is tangible.

#2...God isn't going to send anyone to hell for not tithing. I'm saying that if you want to be blessed, you have to bless others. No one who's selfish and hoards their money will have that money for long. Everything belongs to God. And, God wants us to give. Remember the scripture: "Give, and it shall be given unto you."

#3...When you pay your tithes and give your offerings, don't worry about if the priest or pastor is abusing it. You'll still be blessed of God while God will deal with that dishonest person. Things don't happen in our time. Remember, "[God's] ways are not our ways."

#4...Giving is a universal principle. So, this notion of tithing and giving alms applies to anyone who practices it, Christian or not. The fact is, the more you get, the more you should give. And, consequently, the more you'll get...It's perpetual.



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^yea i guess, still, i havent gone to church since like 4th grade lol which is about 8 years or somethin like that, idk im like i dont have to go to church to show my faith in god and shit i pray everyday at home

Then logically, if you give away everything you have you'll be blessed far more than if you gave 10%. And it says in the bible that God will look after you.

So why not do that?

God only requires 10%. Everything else is an offering. And, based on the principles of sowing and reaping, you WILL reap more if you SOW more. So, in that sense, you are correct.

Here's what the bible says about it:

2 Corinthians 9:6

Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.

fuck that i aint working my ass off for my money to give 10% when i need my money to err whas that word?....ah thas it...SURVIVE!!!

the IR took that 10% when they tax my income each month

^^Your choice...








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prasie allah...

Personally, I think that although you may have experienced monetary gain after tithing some will experience loss.

The point of tithing is not to be blessed with more worldly things, but to gain spiritual wealth. So in my opinion (just one, so dont be bothered by it), you shouldn't be saying tithing your income is the best savings and investment plan, and that doing it will make you blessed. If people are tithing for that, I don't believe they will get any blessings, even if they do get wealthier.

The point of tithing is not to gain spiritual wealth. The context of the scripture makes it clear that tithing opens up FINANCIAL blessings, not SPIRITUAL blessings. Although, tithing is a spiritual mandate. It takes faith to do it. So, in that sense, you'll be blessed spiritually.


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It makes me a bit skeptical then...

Sounds like something they just slotted in there in the middle ages to make the church richer, instead of a real thing. "Give us 10% of your income, and you'll be rich!"... That accompanied by "Do what we say or you'll be damned into hell for an existence of eternal pain and suffering" is an effective mix.

fuck that

my baby's mum already gets 15% of my wages a week...

^^What you have to understand Tero is this. Tithing is a PRINCIPLE of Sowing and Reaping. The principle of Sowing and Reaping can be applied to EVERY aspect f life. If you want mercy, then GIVE mercy. If you want love, then GIVE love. If you want someone to listen to you, then LISTEN to them. Basically, whatever you want, you have to GIVE! Tithes and offerings are no different. In order to receive financial blessings, you have to GIVE a blessing. Furthermore, God even ONE UPS us on this one. He says in the bible that not only will he MATCH your giving, but that He'll give you SO MUCH in return, that you won't have room enough to receive it.

Come on bro...I know from experience that this is true. And, tithes belong to God anyway. He even goes as far as to say that if you withhold your tithes, that's the equivalent of ROBBING God.

Will a man rob God?

Ha

Come on bro!

How can you rob an all powerful, transcendant, omnipotent force of anything?

Isnt God the money? Isnt God everything that exists? Isnt God everywhere? Doesnt everything "belong" to God anyway, despite moving it from place to place?

I don't disagree with the principle of sowing and reaping. But right now you just look a whole lot like that rich guy who gave the temple a large sum of money, and received praise among men, but was showed up by that poor woman, who received praise from Jesus.

^^That's EXACTLY the point! You can't! God is asking a rhetorical question which, if you're read the bible, you find He asks ALL the time. God challenges us in the scripture by saying, 'WILL a man ROB GOD?" The fact that God requires a tithe from us and our unwillingness to give it is the equivalent of "robbing" God because He says the top 10 belongs to HIM and HIM alone.

Rich guy who gave the temple a lot of money? LOL...Actually, I'm far from WEALTHY, yet. I'm citing the FACTS of what I know from example and what the scripture says. I'm telling you that there are certain principles that WORK when you WORK them, including sowing and reaping. I am boasting in God because I know He's faithful and true to his work.

Look:

In the gosepl of Luke chapter 6, Jesus saysm and I'm paraphrasing here, "Give and it shall be given to you. Shaken down, pressed together, and running over shall men give into your bosom." When we get up off our money and give like we're supposed to, God not only returns what we give, but also MULTIPLIES it MULTIPLE times over! You'll find that people just WANT to keep blessing YOU and YOU KEEP blessing them and others!

See, this thing is universal and quite clear. If you WANT to be blessed, GIVE!

^^Tero, I'm challenging those who constantly LACK and claim they don't believe in giving.


Tiz all

P.S. That scripture in Luke 6 is so real man. I've experienced it so many times in the last 3-4 weeks. Just last night a perfect stranger paid for my food when I was at the chinese restaurant. I didn't have enough ON ME at the time and they just offered. Granted, I have money in the bank and a credit card in my pocket. A few days prior, I had forgotten my wallet when I went to the golf course. Instead of turning me away, one of the workers there paid for my round through their account. Then, a week ago, a friend paid my cell phone bill for me, and I DIDN'T even ask!

^^"...Shall men give into your bosom."

^^And that stuff is NOTHING! I give because it's fun to see people happy. I'm just bringing light to a principle that we often overlook.



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why does God require money from us in specific?

that sounds like a crock drummed up by the people who wrote the bible to get a bit of money in their pocket on the sly...well thas IMO but do what you want...

i woulda thought all God would want is belief and faith in his existence and whatnot

and that is beyond material things such as money is it not???

Yeah Q, I see what you mean.

But you know, maybe it just works for you because you do it in good faith and for good reason. I think that if somebody sows seeds filled with greed and desire for money, no matter how much they give, things won't turn out the way they want.

God doesn't need our money. But, other PEOPLE do. That's why if you read the context of Malachi 3, it says, "...so there will be meat in MY HOUSE." IN other words, God wants us to give so that His people, including YOU, will have everything they need.

It's all about sowing and reaping.


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may i ask u is it impossible that sum1 cud hav entered a few lines into the bible that was not "guided by god"?

I find it amazing that any scripture that challenges us to sacrifice isn't applicable to us now, either because it's antiquated or plain erroneous. That's funny. I don't see people challenging the parts where God promises to bless us. Hmm...that's okay?


The answer is no. And, that's because Christians believe that ALL scripture was divinely inspired.

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HOW THE FUCK is that the best savings and investment plan?

Generally speaking, giving away your money isn't the best way to save it. What the fuck are you talking about?

Or you could like...give 10% of your income to charity instead of the church. I mean, if it's God's money, and He wants you to share it with His people, then give it to people who need it more than a church potentially requires candelabrum so they can maintain the smell of incense...Seriously, don't you think tithing to single mothers working a min. wage job and struggling to survive even though her predicament is not her fault doesn't need that juicy 10% more than your church? Why does God want it to go to the church? Wouldn't you be saving the single mother in a sense that she can believe even in the darkness there are true people and true christians willing to help those in need? But instead you give money so kids that already believe in God get their Bible classes?

ill challenge it all

and i know wat christians believe but im not askin wat a faith and its followers believe im askin u even tho u believe that it is all divinely inspired that sum1 not inspired by god cud hav entered a few lines into the bible?? by answering yes u are not challenging god, his beliefs or his teachings, im not askin do u beleive this is the case im askin to u believe if it is possible?

no no no...The requirement is explicit. A tithe is to be given to God's "storehouse", which is your church. He also wants us to give to charities and other people as well. But, that's charity or an offering.

Also, don't get this twisted. Refusing to pay your tithes when you know to do so will lead to a curse. In fact, the scripture goes one more and says, "God will curse you WITH a curse." <------That's because hoarding your money is a violation of God's law. Giving is a principle. Tithing is a requirement. God does not compromise on that one.

As far as "tithing" to a single mother is concerned, THEY DON'T DESERVE MY TITHE. That belongs to God and Him alone. And, he says He will "...not share my glory with another." Now, GIVING an offering to a single mother is another thing. If there's one way to displease God it's to be blessed BY HIM, but not give 10% BACK to him.



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Not in the ancient text, no...

If someone makes a new version and tries it, yes...But, thank God for his Holy Spirit which leads and guides his believers into all truth.



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Why does God need the money? If it goes to the church, how do they spend it? On incense and Bible study classes for kids that are already christians? But women who grew up in a hostile environment and got raped and had twins they have to take care of themselves don't deserve your money, but the church should instead get that juicy 10%?

What does your church spend it on? Or is that a personal matter for them?

So you believe the church needs Bible Studies for already-christians, but daughters and sons of God who are lost in poverty and depression do not deserve kindness and thus a new hope for the goodness in the world? And you'd rather get your blessing of free golf rounds than feed a starving family?

^^God doesn't need the money. As I explained in an earlier post, his PEOPLE do.



We are the eyes, ears, and hands of God. Think about it bro. Money doesn't fall out of the sky. Everything belongs to God anyway.




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Churches used to do all of that kind of stuff, but now its always those charity organizations. So the intent is there, there is nothing wrong with the scripture, what's wrong is the times and the people.

That belongs to God and Him alone. And, he says He will "...not share my glory with another."

"God doesn't need the money. As I explained in an earlier post, his PEOPLE do."

any1 seen a contradiction here?

or are uu sayin the people need it but god wont giv it to them cause its his

either way its bullshit

Glory is different to money.

If its gods money, its the peoples money. How can God keep a man-made concept to himself? Its saying don't share your glory with another, not dont share your money with another.

There is not contradiction bro...The question was, "Why does God need money." God doesn't need our money. He owns universes. The scruopture in Malachi 3 says, 'Bring your TITHES and OFFERINGS into the storehouse (church) so there will be meat (substance)..." Who needs substance? PEOPLE DO. God isn't going to rain money from cumulonimbus clouds. So, he wants US to help each other by giving. A tithe is also our way of giving thanks to God for providing so generously. Ha...Funny...Uncle Sam takes 30%. God is so good. He wakes us up in the morning and we have a problem giving Him a measly 10? NAH MAN!


Glory to whom? GOD!

But Q, like Hades was saying, what if some churches have lost the plot? What if instead of spending the money on God's people, they spend it on like a new projector so the congregation can see the hymn words better, or they repaint, or buy bible study work books for the bible study group...

I mean theres nothing wrong with those things, but wouldnt it be better for people to make sure the church they give their money to is using it to help the unfortunate, or alternatively giving the money to organizations that are put together for the sole purpose of helping people?

This is an example of the meaning of the scripture being more important than the wording.

Well, the words provide the meaning. So, that's a moot point. Regarding your other concerns, I definitely understand. Currently, my church is building a new edifice that'll seat over 5000 people. Right now, we're in a building that'll only seat 1000 or so. As a result, the pastor preaches 5 different sermons at 5 different times. We have plasma screen displays. Projectors that show news and information on video screens. And, an audio system that is wired to broadcast throughout the building. My church is on at least 2 radio stations, and airs its Sunday morning services on local cable stations. It has full and part time staff running a daycare, elementary school, bookstore, and other small businesses, all within the church. And, the church serves the local community providing over 100 different ministries to meet people's needs, including drug and alcohol ministries, sex addiction ministries, missionary work, and even an AVIATION MINISTRY! The pastor does not get paid. Rather, he works and gets his money through love offerings from members of the congregation. On average, I'd say my church takes in 100,000 or more every Sunday. That money has helped many people in many capacities. It's a joy for me to pay my tithes. I can't wait to give more. Why? The truth is, ever since I started going there, my faith has increased exponentially. I've seen God prosper me in ways I'd never imagined. And, here's the wonderful part. He's just getting started!

So, in my opinion, the scripture was meant to ensure the needs of people were met. Churches like mine are well oiled machines. As long as we don't forget the spirit and intent behind the scripture, I don't see our current position as an issue.


God is good.

y is given a donation to a charity different in the end bout places u giv the money to are ment to passs it on to the people that need it, jus cause the bible says it has to go through the church first is a bullshit reason to explain y 1 givs u blessing n 1 is jus u givin away your money to people who need it more but yet that 10% still is ment to go to the church. its oviously scripture manipulation to benefit those in power at the times wen the church was currupt n its jus never beeen changed because they blindly follow and believe this is wat we hav to do or go to hell

i honestly do not see how any1 can take the bible word for word and belive it was all inspired by god, the bible was put together by a group of powerful men put together who took dif scriptures from dif times n said this was all insppired by god. how do they know?? the werent even alive wen most if not all where written. and since they put it together im guessin they where all inspired by god 2 to know wat ones to be put in the bookk called the bible. wat an angel came to 1 n said oh go 20 miles east then 5 miles north n u will get to a town go tot he biggest house there n the owner is inspired by god n knows which ones to put in n he knows where the next guy is that know the nxt few books n so on n yous can all gather around a big table n put them all together n yous wil get it all perfect cause this is wat god wants, lol come on im not sayin that people shudnt take the bibles morals take its wat watever the hell u want to but i jus dont see how people cant see the book for wat it is

oh and wat kinda crazy churches u got in your country lol u got plasma tv's n all lmfao