OMB is one with all homosexuals...
 

Wouldnt you agree?

Me and all homosexuals are like beads of dew on the grass. We all reflect the moon, I reflect all homosexuals, and all homosexuals reflect me.

Is it just me, or did you just come out of the closit man...

Fuckin queer...

You're also one with them and me.

Says who you crazy bastard....

Says the not-twoness of the universe.

What.. And believing things are one due to dependancy is any better?

I dont believe anything.. Your conditioned to the max though...

You believe far too much.

You think you dont believe anything? That itself skews your perceptions.

The state of niether believing or not believing, niether knowing or not knowing, the state above life and death, one with everything and nothing... Thats no mindedness. Experience that for even a split second, and you'll see how everything is not-two.

Dont assume anything with your mortal mind..

There are things in this universe compleatly beyond your ability to experience or even begin to comphrehend.

Which is why I dont believe everything nessecarily has to be one in existance.

How do you define the concept of 'one' relating to a thing such as existance... Its a stupid diversion.. Like most things you seem to follow...

It took me a long time to grasp and understand the concept, and I only could through experience... So any attempts at explaining won't work.

So let me ask, how are things seperate?

aren't we all at one with the homosexuals coz we're all on the same planet?

same as they're all one with the hetrosexuals...

:huh:

*** You mean it took you a long time full of mental conditoning to drum a certain way of percieving things into your head so much so you began to believe it...

Dont ask me how things are seperate, I made no claim of that.. Only shed light on the possibility...

Your the one making claims............therefore, how is everything NOT seperate..?

Is the question.

I never said it wasn't seperate.

I said it was one, and asked you how things are seperate.

Re-read my question for fuck sake..

Youve made the claim existance is one...

And I've said the possibility is there for there to be more than one existance compleatly beyond our rational. Beyond the infinite if you catch my drift..

You, and your schools of philosophy are like taking a small glance at the bigger picture of life and assuming everything is within your understanding. Shit is a diversion and un-nessecary.

Quite the contrary...

Its about how to experience the world. Instead of classifying and grading everything that exists into things that don't exist, you use your senses and your mind to experience but not grasp, to reflect but not blur, to see things for what they are in existence through a calm mind.

There is much more to it than that, but yeah... Or is there much less?

I can say from experience that this style of living results in a life with a lot less suffering. Things just dont matter.. I could be a christian, wouldnt matter. I could be a scientist, wouldnt matter. Parallel universes wouldnt matter, an afterlife wouldnt matter, they could prove that God exists as an invisible man in the sky, and it wouldnt matter... This stuff just works. Its not even a religion, its known as the religion of no religion.

You can try desperately to prove me wrong, or whatever... But in actuality, I don't even know if I mean what im saying. So maybe you can pull me up on minor logical flaws, or lingual technicalities...

But how can you win an argument against somebody who has nothing to argue?

what whats goin????? termunto is gay????? im confused

What is termunto man, seriously... -_-

Of all the mispellings of my name that one is the wierdest.

terumuto, termunto same diff

lol i aint tryin ta diss u but umm was what nos was talkin bout bullshit
or was he dissing u cuz u actually are gay??

And this is why its pointless..

I dont believe anything either.. BUT-- Where you guys are going wrong is not realising that youve been put in this reality for a reason and all the mental conditioning your so hell bent in neglecting are actually simply parts of this world that you have chosen to reject and preach prejudice towards.

I always feel like telling zen buddhists to get a grip.

They themselves want people to think a certain way aswell. Really, if you never became influenced by that shit, wouldnt you be more phased with the every day on goings in the world and take everything a lot more seriously?

And that would create a different perception of life for you. Unhindered by the zen mindframe.

It is a diversion, because its own views contradict its meaning. Nobody should pay it all that much attention beyond understanding its simple values.

Hes not gay man hes got a girlfriend..

I'm talking shit on his views...

"Put" into this world by what? And for what reason?

Its not really preaching against the conditioning, its preaching for seeing through it. You dont blame people for things they cant control, and generally people cant control anything.

And yeah I would actually be feeling a lot ######## a lot more of the time.

Man like I said before, you really need to look into it to know what im on about. What you're proposing is that I would be happier if I DIDNT see through a lot of delusions that cause meaningless suffering, and that zen hinders perception of life... It doesnt make sense.

Did you know students of zen get scolded for becoming attached to zen? If you become attached to detachment, you've lost the plot just as much as if you were still attached to worldly things. Thats why they refer to it as non-attachment, instead of detachment. There is no extremes, yet there is always fluctuation of extremes to keep the balance, but no attachment or detachment to these things or anything.

Man the kind of life YOU live could equally be considered a diversion. So how does it follow that zen is a diversion from a diversion that teaches you not to get diverted... ?

Less happier?

Or unconditioned by zen teachings?

More miserable.

Is that what you believe life without zen is like...

Who said zen was the only path to a similar state of mind?

It uses the same sutras as other kinds of buddhism, and some sects of hinduism.

Many of the teachings of jesus offer the same kinds of philosophy, but less practical instruction on how to fulfill them (except for things like the ten commandments).

There are a lot of philosophies that lead to the same sort of idea.

Even some peoples' natural perception is similar.

There are many different paths up the same mountain to the same peak. All that's required is persistence and will. Choose your method, and stay with it... I chose zen, because it facilitates any teaching, ancient or new, western or eastern, christian or buddhist, personal or widespread, and uses it to assist in the eratication of suffering and the cultivation of compassion, IF it is effective. Also, I think that these paths may end at different points, and only a few will lead all the way to the peak, which is samadhi, satori, nirvana, enlightenment... Whatever you want to call it. To my knowledge, zen, chan, mahayana and theravada buddhism, hinduism and yoga are the paths that have the necessary tools needed to attain the "highest" state of mind. There may be more, I dont know, my knowledge is limited. Zen suits my personality, so I practice it.

There are, of course, members of any group or religion that have a warped understanding... So it is necessary to not trust and regard as ultimate any sect, text, or teaching. This is a principle of zen, they emphasize growth through personal experience and understanding, perhaps guided by a teacher or text, but non-attachment to the guide or practice, but practice with utter sincerity and determination.

lol oh good lmao i was gon say if he's gay im shocked
i was like wtf now theres 2 gay people on rv??
lol but n/m

Why do you attach yourself to this label or denomination?

A school of thought that doesent believe in schools of thought is a paradoxal concept that shouldnt even bother existing in this reality.

Like it or not, zen is a complete boring too inadiquate to stand for something philosophy that can teach people nothing. It doesent improve your life, and being a smart person leads you to a lot of these realisations anyway whether their true or not is another matter.

I would slap you for being too attached to zen and demeaning your life.

I would take your slap and feel sorry for you.

I choose to follow my solid results and genuine experience that have come from Zen practice, rather than the words of somebody who has niether practiced anything like it or studied it.

Cause you prefer to be conditioned by zen than other sources...

Good for you...

Well if you read what I said, you would have a small idea as to why.

Call it whatever you want.

I did read what you said..

Some of your views are similar to mine, but some of them sound real naieve to me...

What sounds naive?