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Tha .Q 11-21-06 07:46 PM

Analyzing the Kramer Outrage...frame by frame
 
I've watched the footage of Michael Richards' tirade dozens of times now. I'm fascinated and intrigued by it, so much so, I've decided to break down the sequence of events.


#1...The "fans" heckle Richards for being boring.

.....At this point, the footage rolls and Richards calls them motherfucker, etc...


#2...You can clearly hear some members of the audience laughing. Now some of my co-workers and I argued over why they were laughing. I suggested that some were laughing because it was nervous laughter. I also conjectured that some of those laughing were laughing at the fact that he was losing his cool. Most, however, seem to think that they were laughing because they share his racist views. I don't know if I agree with that.



#3...At this point of the tape, Richards is the one controlling his own fate. He is simply having a meltdown because the heckler is not heard on the tape responding to his earlier comment. Richards goes on to call the man a nigger multiple times.


#4...The laughing in the audience stops. At this point, you can hear a collective sigh of "OH MY GOD" across the audience. They are in disbelief of what's transpiring before their very eyes.

....Richards hurls a barrage of insults at the hecklers and even references the dark period of the Civil Right's Movement. "50 years ago, we would have had your ass upside down."


#5...At this point, you can clearly see on the tape a few people getting up and leaving. Richards is clearly shaken by this because he says, "Oh, so now you're leaving." And, in one of the most DISTURBING comments made, he says, "They're going to lock me up for calling a black man a nigger."

NOTE: In my opinion, even though Richard had used the N-word by this point, he could have redeemed himself. But, what does he do? He makes the most devasting statement of the entire tirade when he says, "That's what you get for interrupting a WHITE MAN." <----- That one statement alone sums up his entire view of black people. And, it's a sad reminder of the attitude many racist whites have towards blacks in this country, and around the world.

#6...At this point, the hecklers summon up a little courage and begin to attack back at Richards. You can hear one saying, "That's fucking un-called for."


#7...Richards still doesn't stop. Instead, he inflames the situation by saying, "You shouldn't have interrupted me."


#8...The heckler loses his temper and says, "You fucking cracker."


...Richards is shook at this point because he says, "Oh, are you threatening me?"

At this point, MULTIPLE PEOPLE stand up and walk out the theater.

#9...You can see Richards walk off the right side of the stage. Then, the owner comes out and says, "I apologize..."





UN-BEE-FUGGIN-LIEVABLE.

JTR 11-21-06 07:47 PM

let it go Q, :-\

JPoll 11-21-06 07:47 PM

get over it dude, seriously get yourself a life.

i can only think of one word to describe you.

LAME

Tha .Q 11-21-06 07:50 PM

I'm sorry...But, I'm so moved by this, I plan to do something about it. I haven't figured out what I can do. But, I plan on doing something. I literally almost vomited when I heard his tirade.

JPoll 11-21-06 07:53 PM

you are something else.......................it was between two people, and now its over...move on dude

seriously what could you do, go to his house and barade him? i'd like to see that.

go sponsor a kid in africa, do something useful, i sponsor a kid and i'm a university student. do something honorable

Tha .Q 11-21-06 07:55 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by JPoll
you are something else.......................it was between two people, and now its over...move on dude

seriously what could you do, go to his house and barade him? i'd like to see that.

go sponsor a kid in africa, do something useful, i sponsor a kid and i'm a university student. do something honorable




That's good that you've chosen that cause. I respect it. But, this is bigger than Kramer making an asshole of himself. His views...Mel Gibsons views represent a larger issue here...And, THAT's what I want to address.








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JPoll 11-21-06 07:56 PM

the mel gibson thing has nothing to do with it, he hates jewish people because his dads a nut, case closed dude

Tha .Q 11-21-06 07:57 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by JPoll
the mel gibson thing has nothing to do with it, he hates jewish people because his dads a nut, case closed dude



Yea well...sorry you don't share my views...So, yea...case closed.









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Adam 11-21-06 07:57 PM

Yeah man, it's a lost cause, who gives a shit. Bigger people have caused bigger problems, this one isn't one worth bitchin' over.

Tha .Q 11-21-06 08:00 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by R. Bull
Yeah man, it's a lost cause, who gives a shit. Bigger people have caused bigger problems, this one isn't one worth bitchin' over.



I feel u...But, what bothers me is the fact that I literally get sick when I watcj that disturbing footage...


I mean...life goes on...But, as I stated, it represents a prevalent view, held by many people. And, in many cases, blacks are still playing 2nd fiddle to whites.




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Adam 11-21-06 08:03 PM

Yeah but dude Racism is everywhere. I mean whites get taken for granted as racists, but I mean if there was ever say: WET "White Entertainment Television" we'd be considered racists.

Racism is retarded and will never end because people get too worked up over shit. I mean I'm not black, but if black people quit taking the n-bomb to heart so much it would die down.

It's like a bully, if he picks on a kid and the kid has a crazy ass reaction to it, he continues to pick on that kid. If the kid just doesn't give a fuck, the bully gets bored. Pretty shitty analogy but you get my point. White people know to get back at a black person all they have to do is say one word, if people stopped giving a shit, maybe it would just die off.

Tha .Q 11-21-06 08:06 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by R. Bull
Yeah but dude Racism is everywhere. I mean whites get taken for granted as racists, but I mean if there was ever say: WET "White Entertainment Television" we'd be considered racists.

Racism is retarded and will never end because people get too worked up over shit. I mean I'm not black, but if black people quit taking the n-bomb to heart so much it would die down.

It's like a bully, if he picks on a kid and the kid has a crazy ass reaction to it, he continues to pick on that kid. If the kid just doesn't give a fuck, the bully gets bored. Pretty shitty analogy but you get my point. White people know to get back at a black person all they have to do is say one word, if people stopped giving a shit, maybe it would just die off.



^^Dude, are you suggesting the entire Civil Right's Movement was the result of blacks "overreacting" to bullying?








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JPoll 11-21-06 08:11 PM

you have got to be kidding me with that response q

Adam 11-21-06 08:13 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reflecz
^^Dude, are you suggesting the entire Civil Right's Movement was the result of blacks "overreacting" to bullying?








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No.

Like I said shitty analogy, never mind what I said, beacause regardless of how I try to explain it it's going to sound racist.

But I think Morgan Freeman put it best, to rid racism we gotta start by quitting referring to people as black or white and just as people.


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JTR 11-21-06 08:19 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by R. Bull
but I mean if there was ever say: WET "White Entertainment Television"


LOL, dude, every other channel is WET

p4ntzistheish 11-21-06 08:24 PM

It's not a big deal. Christ if that was Chris Rock or Eddie Murphy it'd be jsut fine. But since it's Kramer it's a big deal. I doubt he's racist, and if he is so be it. Can't stop it so I don't stress over it.

Maleficent 11-21-06 08:25 PM

I think I may have to rape mister kramer in a special episode of seinfeld featuring a horrorcore rapper on probation for fucking his little cousin in the asshole.


On a more serious note, the man's an asshole, and regardless of his pathetic apology on the late show, he's still going to suffer ridicule forever. Its not the audience's fault that they were predominantly black and happened to think his comedy was only good for a baboon tampon.

Shear Kaughn 11-21-06 08:37 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by R. Bull
Yeah but dude Racism is everywhere. I mean whites get taken for granted as racists, but I mean if there was ever say: WET "White Entertainment Television" we'd be considered racists.

Racism is retarded and will never end because people get too worked up over shit. I mean I'm not black, but if black people quit taking the n-bomb to heart so much it would die down.

It's like a bully, if he picks on a kid and the kid has a crazy ass reaction to it, he continues to pick on that kid. If the kid just doesn't give a fuck, the bully gets bored. Pretty shitty analogy but you get my point. White people know to get back at a black person all they have to do is say one word, if people stopped giving a shit, maybe it would just die off.



White Entertainment Television huh....

what would be on WET.....stereotypical white programs? martha stewart shows, reruns of Friends?...umm it would just be another regular TV channel right?...so whats the point in having a WET

think about it......


get back at a black person by saying one word......thats how people get hospital bills.....and have to go on letterman to make an apology......if your gonna try and pull some race shit to get back at a black person becuase they started the racial remarks first...you have to be smart about it....real smart...

yes its just as equally wrong for a black person to call a white person a cracker as a white to call a black nigger....but the white person has to be extra careful with what they say, especailly with other people around...why?...this is america....there has been one fucked up thing after one fucked up thing after another ever since this country was thought of.

Tha .Q 11-21-06 08:39 PM

^^WET


OH...u mean NBC



lol...Shere...I love u bro...in a non gay way




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Shear Kaughn 11-21-06 08:44 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reflecz
^^WET


OH...u mean NBC



lol...Shere...I love u bro...in a non gay way




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Q!! or should i say relecz.....i'm glad you broke this down...in a logical way...when i first watched this vid it shocked the hell out of me.....shocked the serious shit out of me. how dare he say that about our race.....just kidding...just kidding :laugh: :laugh:

Spektikul 11-21-06 08:45 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by JTR
LOL, dude, every other channel is WET


Dude, even the black entertainment is entertaining to my white ass.

JEEEA!

Maleficent 11-21-06 08:48 PM

Wet is a magazine on gourmet bathing.

Tha .Q 11-21-06 08:52 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shear Kaughn
Q!! or should i say relecz.....i'm glad you broke this down...in a logical way...when i first watched this vid it shocked the hell out of me.....shocked the serious shit out of me. how dare he say that about our race.....just kidding...just kidding :laugh: :laugh:







Yea man...def. know wut u mean


and now he's "sorry"?



NOPE

-Zone Out- 11-21-06 09:15 PM

I agree, this was some bullshit.
and I feel like every white person thats trying to defend Richards is an under cover racist.

-Zone Out- 11-21-06 09:17 PM

and poeple bringing Chris Rock and Eddie Murphy into it has to understand
Chris Rock has never STOPPED his comedy act and got into a personal act with an audience member callin them a cracker and a honkey.

JTR 11-21-06 09:30 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spektikul
Dude, even the black entertainment is entertaining to my white ass.

JEEEA!


That's what i'm saying man

LOL @ people saying exactly what I said though...

-TeamOne- 11-21-06 09:37 PM

whydidnt he jus do like richard pryor and talk about his momma, woulda saved alotta controverssy lol

p4ntzistheish 11-22-06 02:19 AM

Plenty of comedians interactwith 'hecklers'. Hell Dane cCook did twicein Vicious Circle. Can't remeber anymore cuz it's the last comedy shoe I've seen. I don't think KatWilliamsdid but i'm not sure. Whatever. Nota big deal to me so much. As long as he isn't cookin my Thanksgivingdinner I got nothin to do with him.

villagepimp 11-22-06 02:52 AM

Dumb ass white people

*smh*

Blay'all 11-22-06 02:53 AM

lol @ people throwing 6th grade arguments out there like Red Bull's good old "WET" argument... when will people realize that we didnt start out in this country even, and we arent even now. and JTR is right, every other channel on TV is white entertainment television.

also, JPoll, i think you make it a point to just come into every thread made and hate. its great that you sponsor a child, but announcing it to people to make yourself look like you're doing something better than them isnt the way to go =/

JTR 11-22-06 03:20 AM

^^ Ya, it's much smarter to announce that you hit kid, and not sponsor them, that'd be the smart thing to do :thumbup:

Blackmage 11-22-06 03:37 AM

I don't think he's a racist at all actually. What those people did at his show is completely dis respectful and un necessary. If you don't like his jokes, get the fuck up and leave. Just because you're too cheap to walk out on tickets you bought doesn't mean you fuck up my show you ASSHOLE. Plus, HE'S FUCKING KRAMER. You know what you're getting when you walk in. That's like george bush going to see bill murray in act. You know what you're getting.

Next, when you get mad at someone, i mean unbelieveably mad. You know how people are. So mad that you try everything you can to hurt that person. This person just happened to be black and he did what he thought would insult that man as bad as he felt. Yes those comments were racist but that doesn't make him racist. That makes him uncontrollable when he's angry. Sometimes you say things you can't take back though and that's on him.

Next. Don't fucking front Every other station on t.v. is for white people and you know it. So are the award shows so you guys can shove that shit. I had somebody say they were sick of fucking black history month because it's racist and we don't have a white history month. WHAT FUCKING BLACK PEOPLE DO WE LEARN ABOUT OTHER THAN DURING THAT MONTH. Every other person we study is white. Re-Fucking-Lax.

Anyways i don't think kramers racist he was just really pissed off and trying to hurt someone. If some country fan came to something i was doing and drawing attention to himself insulting me I would be like "Nigga this is my fucking job. If you don't like me get to fucking bouncing you scrub ass nigga" I would then begin to make at least 2 more jokes before i was finished then tell security to bounce this niggs. You know you've been angry out of control before and that's what happens...

Doesn't make the shit right but anger is rediculous sometimes. Anyways...

Blackmage 11-22-06 04:17 AM

and just like to point out there was alot less hate in Kolby's thread but that hate couldn't just be cause this is q's thread...

Tha .Q 11-22-06 04:58 AM

^So, it's okay for him to spew racial slurs?


Dude, that's NEVER acceptable.period.





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Maleficent 11-22-06 07:31 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackmage
I don't think he's a racist at all actually. What those people did at his show is completely dis respectful and un necessary. If you don't like his jokes, get the fuck up and leave. Just because you're too cheap to walk out on tickets you bought doesn't mean you fuck up my show you ASSHOLE.



Man, shut up. That was absolutely stupid.

People pay money to hear comedians you know, they dont just go walk out after a couple minutes, if he doesnt provide good jokes, people boo and shout commentary, its that simple.

What they were doing did not warrant him to say those kinds of things AT ALL. I dont know what fucking fantasy world punks like you live in, but racism is alive and well bitch, and if you like to play antirealist and deny its existence you're just a feeble minded ignorant white person who thinks they have the minority's condition all figured out with pony logic. People are still sensitive to it. So suck balls my nigga. You dont know shit about whats out there.

Sir Smash'Alot 11-22-06 08:49 AM

stfu
are you some sort of psychologist or some shit
Is there something you pointed out here nobody else saw
he ruined his career, thats it

New Meth0d 11-22-06 08:58 AM

this isn't a big deal this richards guy lost his cool on stage and had a meltdown...shit happens all the time why don't you go analyze the genocide in darfur and do something about that

Maleficent 11-22-06 09:04 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by New Meth0d
this isn't a big deal this richards guy lost his cool on stage and had a meltdown...shit happens all the time why don't you go analyze the genocide in darfur and do something about that


How can we expect to police the world when we cant police ourselves.

New Meth0d 11-22-06 09:10 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maleficent
How can we expect to police the world when we cant police ourselves.
kramer has the freedom to say that shit, its in the consitution....but anyway
i know what your saying im just saying why get upset and "want to do something" and almost "vomit" about kramer flipping out when there are other atrocities being committed.

Maleficent 11-22-06 09:13 AM

True true. But Im just saying we're so hellbent on anti-semitic/fascist people and such, that if something minor happens to blacks its automatically worth dismissing as freedom of speech.


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