I was invited
 

To Preach a sermon in Iraq. I kind of want to go. Enygma have you been there? What was it like?(if you went)

Why were you invited? Are you a priest? Do you regularly preach sermons?

And actually, hang on a second.

Preach a sermon in Iraq? To soldiers fighting a war? What kind of bullshit are you going to feed them? I doubt you will tell them the truth.

I doubt he would be able to tell anyone .. lol

Why was I invited? Good question. I did a tv interview a while back with a ministry around my way and the Leader of the ministry is in the Army. He invited me to go and preach a sermon and do some songs there. He talked to me over the phone and said its serious military business . Am I a preacher or a priest? No. They must have seen something in me obviously since they invited me to Iraq. Why Do you get so defensive when ever someone talks about doing things like this? How do you know what I speak is not truth?

I don't question whether they really asked you, who would make up something like that? I mean the truth as in the true teachings of the Bible.

Going to Iraq, you would obviously be giving the sermon to the troops. So what are you meant to say to them? It looks kind of odd the church sending support for soldiers at war. Some of those troops are fucked, I've seen videos. They kill people like it's a sport. Are you going to tell them they are sinners and they had better repent and be truly sorry and do their best not to kill anymore? Or are you going to tell them that God is on their side and will give them strength to achieve their goals?

If it's the latter... "Fight for Allah! Kill the infidels!" is basically the same thing, but they probably look down on Islam.

Anyway my point is don't think that by going there and telling them what they want to hear you are doing anybody a good service... God, them, yourself, anybody.

God created war for a reason. The bible is clearly not against war. I think before you become blatantly so against something you should at least study it instead of just scratching the surface. There is such thing as murdering righteously. Do you not recall when Moses cousin was denying the truth and denying moses having any sort of power. He had the earth gobble up his cousin. Is there a purpose for the war in Iraq? I don't know I don't pay attention. I try to keep to myself. Is this a great opportunity? yes. Being a Christian or a "pastor" isn't all about telling everyone they're doing wrong. It's about showing love and treating everyone the same. That's one of the reasons I stopped going to church. Everyone expected me to be perfect. Not me, I'm never going to be perfect and I had to find a ministry and a group of people who understood that. I've found that. I make mistakes and stumble all the time. That's normal. This life wasn't meant to try to be perfect. It is meant to truly become blessed. That's really all I have to say about it. I can't beat around the bush.

God didn't create war. That's ridiculous. "On the 347293847th day, God created a game where everything he has ever stood for goes out the window and murder is allowed, but ONLY for selfish reasons that will affect more than one person. It was good." Bullshit lmao.

The bible is clearly not against war? Of course a portion of it isn't against war. I am blatantly against war, yes. Before you become completely confused about something you apparently believe in, you should do some study as well. The bible isn't one book, it is the combination of many books. The most pure teachings of the bible are extracted from the times when Jesus' actions or direct speech are recorded. The old testament is old. So is a lot of other stuff. Allow me to elaborate.

The person who wrote that story about Moses was talking about something different to what Jesus was talking about. Do you really think that event happened? If so, why aren't loyal Christians going around getting God to engulf people who question their beliefs into the earth? Zues was a God that could throw bolts of lightning. I see bolts of lightning sometimes, that story at least has some merit. What I don't see is people getting engulfed by the earth. Zues is obviously a false God. The guy who wrote about Moses is obviously a bit of an exaggerator.

There is a purpose for the war in Iraq. It is greedy businessmen looking for money, sinister leaders looking for power, and vengeful idiots looking for revenge. Awesome war! Yeah! Christians should definitely support that.

I know Christianity isn't about telling everyone they're doing wrong. I know it's about love of the most pure kind, demonstrated by Jesus who loved everyone and was an all around dope dude. He taught that sins should be forgiven, that you should be passive instead of aggressive because things in this world don't matter, he taught that riches and material wealth are meaningless and that tranquility and gentleness should be shown towards everybody no matter who they are. Whether your enemies, diseased outcasts, fools, poor people, people with power, everyone is equal and should be loved and forgiven indefinitely.

I know that. That's what Jesus' teachings are. Jesus, your God, the MAIN guy in your religion teaches those things. So the guys at the other end of the war aren't included in that? They don't matter and you can murder them righteously? Kill people because of a war started by a selfish man that wants land, oil, money, power or whatever it is that gives him his gay little control trip? A bunch of meatheads with guns shooting down the "enemy" are killing righteously because they are fighting for the purposes mentioned above? Those selfish, dirty, disgusting reasons for war? You consider those legitimate?

I hate to be so harsh, but I'm trying to help you see something which will in the long run be better for you. You, my friend, are a complete dumbass of epic proportions. "LOL moses made the earth swallow a guy who challenged his fat ego, so murder is OK! It doesnt matter if its in the ten commandments, or if the rest of the teachings of the bible say that murder is not OK and forgiveness and love are the way to go! LOL war is cool! It MUST be for good motives, I mean, mass murder, hatred, suffering and everything else that comes with war MUST be fine by God! I don't need to question or even know the motives of the war, ill just keep to myself and have an idiotic opinion based on nothing that I believe wholeheartedly! Yeah! Christianity is about love! THats a fun thing to say that makes me look cool and nice! LOL murder murder, war is good, support the war blindly ! I love being part of a community that has an equally as fucked up and twisted idea of religion and morals as I do! Im not perfect anyway so it doesnt matter! jajaja! Kill the infidels! Preach to the murderers because the idiot leader of a christian group thinks that is what christianity is about! Surely he must know better than me, he wears different clothes, I will definitely allow myself to follow his idiocy like a sheep! LOL!"

Dude, get a clue... You fail. -_-

Past Tense....I haven't been there yet, but I'm going in December. On what to expect when you get there, it all depends on when you are going. In the summer it's hot as fuck in some places and in the winter it is cold as fuck in some places. I'm going to Talil, which is in South Iraq.....so that means hot ass summers :(

Lemme know when and where you're going man :thumbup:

Lmfaorofl Seriously thats what I was thinking. God not against war? are u serious

http://biblia.com/jesusbible/joshua3d.htm

There's some bible wars. Tell me that those were against God's will.


And yeah Nygma I think it'll be sometime in July or August.

Who cares? I certainly don't give a shit that wars have been recorded in a bunch of old books, and apparently been called God's will.

Did you even read that page? It says exactly what I am saying to you. The first thing it says below all of those links is:

Just a few of the dozens of wars in the OT, as lessons for good Christians, the soldiers of Christ... from them, Jesus changed the whole strategy of War for the Christians: No War at all in the Gospels!... the answer of a Christian to any war at home or in the street or between nations or against terrorism is "to put the other cheek" of Mat.5:39... Christianity and War

And just trust in Jesus!... it is His war... He will deliver... “vengeance is mine,”, says the Lord (Rom.12:19)... yu just do your best, without violence, and Jesus will do the rest... it is the formula that never fails.

The Christian should act the way Jesus told Peter: Put your sword back in its place", because Jesus will bring the sword, Jesus will take care of you (Mat.26:52).

What the Christian has to do?:
Just trust in Jesus, and do the little things a Christian should do, like the servants in the Cana wedding of Jn.2: To put the "water" when what is needed is "wine"... to love the enemy, to pray for him, to serve, to help him to go to Heaven... just "water"... and Jesus will do the miracle, the "water" of defeat will be converted into the "wine" of victory...and the best victory!.
Do your bests and then trust in God, it is the formula that never fails.

You just contradicted yourself pretty big there. You said "why would I trust what a bunch of old books say" yet you say you thought the same thing as them. uhhh.....

Shut the fuck up Past Tense. Terumoto destroyed you, so shut your mouth. You're a blind follower being spoonfed by society and you think you have a point. You pick out the stupidest, littlest fucking things in a post and address only those, completely ignoring the undeniable facts because if you were to acknowledge them you would show everyone beyond any shadow of a doubt you know you are wrong.

Pray that an angel comes and kills one hundred and eighty thousand Muslims in one night. Deliver a Eucharist and blast those toiletpaper-heads to death! Pray for David to hit Osama in the head with a sling. No wonder you were on television, you have the same delusional, closed-eared mindset that will someday make you a TV evangelist.

Go on. Deliver a fucking Eucharist. Because I'm sure America has God on its side, because, well, everyone knows Jesus loves America and the money-hungry war leaders who get it off to displays of their own power. Or do you think that George Bush is your angel? Or is he the reincarnation of Esther?

And now you plan on delivering your twisted opinions to soldiers in Iraq who, desperate for some way to save themselves, will latch on to your FUCKED philosophies. Maybe you should do some soul searching and questioning about how ridiculous your fucking opinions are before you go around molding vulnerable minds. Sounds to me like you're doing the same Osama did to Muhammed's word.

Realize this, dumbshit: God was on the side of those wars because those were his followers in the Old Testament. Allah is almost the exact same thing as the Old Testament God, though perhaps more forgiving. The New Testament God promotes peace. To you, Jesus' sacrifice is superficial; you think your understanding of it is deep because you have this big realization he sacrificed himself to cleanse your sins, and you ignore the MESSAGE behind it, and not just one of the major reasons for it. Why would God be on America's side?

lol sounds like you guys just went off on yourself. I didn't say anything about liking this war or the president. I am not into politics.

all this spirtual shit pisses me off.. I just don't get it. ....i mean i want too..but it makes no fuccin sense AT ALL..

hmm....

Find out what you believe on your own. Don't try to follow what anyone believes on here. Its what you feel is truth.

Maybe you should follow your own advice -_-

If dude has come to his own beliefs then let him believe whatever it may be. Just because he doesn't see things in the same light as you doesn't mean he's automatically wrong.

^^thats true....but remember teru knows everything

Eat My Pussy!!!

My spiritual beliefs are actually based on the fact that I cannot and will not ever know everything, so I can limitlessly broaden my horizons without worrying about conforming to anything in particular. If anyone here knows everything, it is definitely you. I mean for someone to be so stubborn and rigid about their spirituality, surely there is nothing else for them to learn?

What I meant by my comment was that you are telling people to make up their minds for themselves. That's all well and good, but look at you. Do you think you made up your own mind? All you did was believe what you heard, you didn't find out a single spiritual thing on your own.

And I know where you got the idea that you did make up your own mind from. From deciding to agree. Everyone told you your beliefs, but you weren't really sure. One day something clicked and you decided to wholeheartedly agree and believe all of it. If you consider that making up your own mind, fine, but it just goes to show how shallow religion is in your life.

Ok seriously, who are you to say how he came to what he believes? That's just like me saying everything that you believe you got from what some idiot on a street corner told you.


Let the man believe what he wants.

religion is based on faith.....nuff sed....ppl take this too serious.....

I don't mean to be such a bastard to people. All I want if I am arguing with someone about this kind of shit is for them to think twice, question things, develop their own true understanding of what existence is all about. I am not pushing my beliefs onto anyone, notice that everything I have used in my arguments against Past Tense has been teachings from Christianity.

I don't want to tell people what to believe, I want them to really see things for themselves. That is why I go around ripping people's beliefs, hopes and ideas to pieces. It is easy to tear down misunderstanding, but you have to build understanding on your own.

By showing people that they're wrong, they become one step closer to being right... Wouldn't you do the same for someone you love?

As for your last question, yes it does make sense.

But by going in everyones thread and basically saying "You're stupid for believing that garbage. It's time to be a big boy and start believing everything I believe"..that's not going to help any.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying "You are believing something stupid, this is why it's stupid." Then they say "No it isn't." And I am saying "Again, this is why it's stupid. You are being foolish if you don't at least see that. If you can tell me why it isn't stupid, that's fine, but so far you haven't been able to."

No d/r, but Teru knows his shit. Many of the things he told me aren't the fire that he passed on to me, but more of the spark that started my own.

Just trying to enjoy yourself is a philosophy in life you can almost never go wrong with. =/

So that would mean you're going off what someone told you rather than believing what you believe in. Again Teru why should someone believe a mere man over someone who created the universe?

Apparently you've never heard of taking a base and then going your own separate path, because all you do is take the base. And assuming that God did create the universe, YOU'RE STILL WRONG ON YOUR ARGUMENT ABOUT THE BIBLE. You're starting to get really annoying, man. This thread is the epitome of the brainwashed boy who refuses to look at arguments and instead picks out trivial things and completely ignoring the fact he's wrong (Past) arguing with an enlightened man (Teru).

I WANNA be a big bang, gotta be
Never BOTTLE ME UP IN A probably, I wanna see a Yes sir, sir
YES SIR!
Armed with a tone, cross, sword to the bone
Warn the other brothers that was born forlorn
Big bang, SHOVEL IN A BIG DIG
HUDDLED IN A tunnel of big dreams I think big things
I'ma burn with this little light of mind
and a prime concern to earn thanks, I'ma be a big bang

post in the council >:0

okie dokie :love:

No, it's more like he told me things to look out for, and then I started noticing them myself.

S'like he said the sky is blue, I looked up for a while and said, "Hey, it IS blue." while you had someone say the sky is blue and believed them without really looking into it.

word i don't know exactly how past tense came to his beliefs, but you just got to read read and read, not just the bible but look into all religons, and then start formulating your own thoughts. Then talk with other people becuase you may interpret something differently then someone else ect. I don't mean to be telling you what to do for all i know you did look at the entire spectrum. But i still am formulating my own shit, but listening to teru's, soc's and other peoples thoughts on things can make me give things a second look and see it from not only my persepective but from other peoples.

but the topic of this thread, its a nice offer and if you really want to do it then it doesn't matter what we say. go to iraq and preach. i would personally rather go to iraq and tell jokes becuase if i was a solider i would rather hear something light and comical to take my mind of the situation at hand so in your sermon throw in some nice one liners and take some video of your sermon im curious as to what your going to say

This is the thing that annoys me. I really don't care what you believe. But just because his beliefs don't really go with what yours are doesn't mean that he hasn't looked into it himself.

If he believes what he believes so strongly, then I'm pretty sure he had to take some time to search for himself. Not just "listen to what other people say", like you're assuming.



I see you're trying to tell him to really look into whatever it is that he believes, but don't barge in his thread and assume that he was spoon fed everything just because it differs from your beliefs.

There is an old saying that goes "_____ is like a finger pointing at the moon. Don't mistake the finger for the moon." The blank is whatever, could be God, Religion, enlightenment, whatever.

The bible, religion, priests, religious institutions, they are all the finger. The moon is the real meaning of all of that shit, the moon is God. All I'm saying is people often make the mistake of suckling on the end of the finger for comfort instead of taking notice of where it's pointing, and taking a good look at the moon.

You have really, really good ideas, but I don't see why you don't follow through with them. By all means, believe the one that created the universe, but don't stop there! Do you think God is a being that created the universe and just sat back and watched it from then on? It goes deeper than that, God IS everything, everywhere, there isn't anything at all that isn't God. The bible was written by men as well, God did NOT write the bible and you know that. Do you trust every single person that ever existed wholeheartedly? I'm sure I've said this before, but not everybody in a position of power for the last 2000 years has been a kind-hearted person interested in spreading the true teachings of Jesus. People are selfish, completely and utterly selfish. I do not doubt for one second that the bible has been altered in some way, or that religious practice has developed in the wrong direction.

Take for example the middle ages, people couldn't read. Religious leaders told them that they would be saved from going to hell if they did what they were told and gave a certain amount of money to the church. Apparently doing that was the will of God. I know you don't agree with shit like that, but it happens, it could still be happening.

That's why I am saying don't trust men, right now you are trusting the words of men, religion is run by men. I'm not telling you to do everything I say or believe what I believe, I'm telling you NOT to trust people like you have been. Don't believe mere men, that is too right. Why is it you can question the words of this man, but not others?

Please, DON'T believe what I am saying. It would be stupid to take my word over anybody elses, like you said. What I am asking you to do is not believe me, but listen to me. Take into account what I am saying, consider it, look for yourself, find out if what I'm saying is true in whatever way you can. If you do that, move onto everything else.

The only one you can really trust is God. How can you get in touch with that elusive character? Actually, there is a better question. What can you do that would not be in touch with that force known as God? You won't be able to think of a single thing..

I am going to go. I don't plan on preaching a sermon about "going to hell" thats not what I'm about. I wish I had my testimony on tape so you could see what I'm about. I'm just trying to get back to how I was a few months ago. I feel empty NOT living the life I know God wants me to lead. This is HOW I FEEL not how someone else feels. I tried taking you're advice. Honestly I tried finding it in other things. I just became more empty. I feel fulfilled and I have hope when I'm living a Godly life. Things just don't seem to matter as much.

If I was to describe how i'm doing

it would be in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJPkjxyqPDc


Implicit will know this song

oh snap! i didnt even know he had a video for this

but honestly this song is so deep and true..crazy twist at the end