Nothing.
 

Absolutely fucking nothing. Nothing. Not even the concept of nothing. No thing at all, no word, no concept, no object, nothing. Void.

But don't try and remove that which you can't. It stays there, the nothing is on top of it. Or something to that effect.

No not on top of it, having sexual intercourse with it. That's it. The nothing goes with that which can't be removed, and the result is IT. It!!!!! I can't believe I found "it!"

This is

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oh I get it...........what was the meaning again?

oh yeah my bad nothing

Don't say you get it if you don't -_-

again such as anything that is written the understanding is up to the reader you created this I made a conclusion there for I get it when it comes to the it that I see although you may have had an intention for this. often words have to meanings and with a passage as vague as this it is left with millions of meanings and trillions of awnsers and my awnser for this thread is nothing absolutly nothing

You get something, but you don't get the message I originally intended to convey. You can't.

Anyway, man, remember to take care of the people you love when they need to be taken care of. I wish you a life of peace and happiness. Have a fucking incredible day.

well maybe I can because you wrote this and intended one actuall message but most likely while you where writing your sub conciece helped you add words that changed the possable meanings of the message to what your sub conciece wanted the message to be.

oh and word up hope you have a good day to. nothing like a greeting of peace to jog the insomnia ridden mind into a state of alertness.

LMAO. Wordlife.

There are not trillions OR millions of answers to nothing.

There is simply extensions of thoughts that can be made to replace, that nothing.

However you're making this much more difficult than just accepting the nothing and trying to define the nothing as 'something' with a certain 'purpose' of your 'understanding'.

lol I can't believe you tricked this kid terumoto.

do you mean there is extensions of thoughts that can be made in ATTEMPT to replace that nothing?


because if not, you contradicted yourself. You can't replace nothing. Because nothing doesn't exist. You can't replace something, if there isn't anythning there to replace.

You can't choose to put something to take up the space of nothing either. Because nothing doesn't have any space for something to take up.

You can't understand this on a simple mathematic formula, because to the average joe...nothing is zero...but zero is infact something.....so obviously, nothing is not a number....


i'm not talking to anyone specific....just elaborating.


i suggest SOME people look the other way in this thread....if you think you understand it...you're in a lot of trouble. because there is nothing to understand.

Pay very close attenton to wwhat teru said in the opening...and go about your business.

"do you mean there is extensions of thoughts that can be made in ATTEMPT to replace that nothing?


because if not, you contradicted yourself. You can't replace nothing. Because nothing doesn't exist. You can't replace something, if there isn't anythning there to replace."

Answer to question - No, It's not an attempt.

Response to second response - You're wrong.

what I meant was:

"Hi, I'm Thinking Of Nothing."

"Oh Wait, That Means I'm Thinking Of Something" <- example of a "Nothing Extension Thought".

In which something DID replace nothing because NOTHING was ONCE there and now SOMETHING IS there. :D It makes perfect sense

"You can't choose to put something to take up the space of nothing either. Because nothing doesn't have any space for something to take up."

When there is nothing on the table to eat, you put something there.

"You can't understand this on a simple mathematic formula, because to the average joe...nothing is zero...but zero is infact something.....so obviously, nothing is not a number...."

You CAN understand it with a simple mathematic formula, because to the average joe, nothing is zero. and Zero is something. So obviously, Nothing IS a number.


1 PLUS NOTHING is???!?!?!?!?!?!? WOW! 1!!!!

NOTHING times 8 is?!?!?!?!?!? WOW!!!! NOTHING!!!!

18 TO NO POWER, HAS NO POWER THEREFORE IS 18

OWNED

that's not a nothing extension thought....thats an example I used to elaborate more on the fact that nothing doesn't exist..so you cannot possibly try and replace nothing with something...


the idea that us as humans are even capable of comprehending of replacing nothing with something is absolutely absurd

You know replace doesn't always mean there was something there before it.

It can simply mean "Put into place or take position of"

The idea that someone can actually accuse the rest of the race of being "incapable of comprehending replacing nothing with something" ESPECIALLY when it's just ONE person who can't do it (I'm sure there are a few others with a sunken intelligence level like yours) is not ONLY absolutely absurd, it's damn near putting you along the lines of "Delusional".

Get lost or realize that life is a paradox in the way you're explaining it, and that the explanation of Something being more "Something" than Nothing is, is logical.

I've made my points to you and if you can't absorb OR accept them, then you sir, are a fucking moron.

This thread isn't about "nothing," the english word used to describe things sometimes. Moving something from one place to another isn't replacing nothing. I'm talking about the no-thing, lack of anything, absence of both matter and emptiness.

"Absence of both matter and emptiness"

Edit that into sense before I comment angrily about it like a dweeb.

you are trying to be logical about something that you can't be logical about.

Yes if there is nothing to eat, you can replace that with something to eat..however...there is never nothing on the table....and i don't mean no food..i mean nothing period...that isn't possible...the table could not exist...therefor you could not replace no food on the table...with food.


and to make this easier for you, you cannot add nothing to 1..or anything...nothing is not an object or tool...it is not something you can use..it is not something period...you can use 0...but you cannot use nothing...I really hope you try and use that argument against a math proffessor. You will get chewed out like never before.

to use the word nothing....as something...is rediculous on it's own. 0 is obviously different because it has different properties.


You can try to use the word nothing...any way that you want...but you won't be successful in your argument...this isn't something you can win.

You can say, oh look...there is nothing there...but that contradicts itself...because there is there..it always is...it is a word that is used objectively and strategically to express a quantity of SOMETHING.......however, this is only because we have no choice but to use it out of context....no thing..or nothing...is bigger than objects...when related to objects...like i said..it's just a word used out of context...but in reality...true nothingness cannot be changed into anything...it remain nothing for ever...

nothing doesn't mean...no specific thing..it means NO THING PERIOD.....which...makes it physically impossible to change nothing anyways.......


we're not talking about an empty space in the sky.....we're talking about no sky, no anything...



You can continue to debate about this with me...but you are and will continue to be completely wrong.

Look man, i have not tried to offend you at all. I have merely tried to explain something that you don't understand. DO NOT insult my intelligence...i understand exactly what your saying...what your saying is elementary...it's what I said when I was too young to understand that I didn't understand everything...and didn't need to.


You are turning something that doesn't exist, into an entity that cannot possibly exist..

no thing...involves everything...which counters existence itself. Not existence of you and me, but existence all together.


Everything as we know it is made up of cells, smaller ogranisms that have smaller organisms.....im sure you get the idea...

Nothing can't exist within anything, because of this. If everything is made up of molecules, and nothing is made up of no thing...IT CANNOT EXIST...it's very, very simple.


Now, Please do not insult my intelligence again...it only makes you look less intelligent....and I do think you are an intelligent dude...i just don't believe that have fully grasped what we're speaking of yet.

it makes perfect sense...this is what I mean...you just don't get it yet.

it's like I said..it's not wyoming..it' not a place in the sky...it's not an empty box...nothing, by your usage of the word, is just being used to place value on other things. Which makes the word itself, something. which means you are using something...not nothing...


the best way I can describe nothing to you, if you still don't get it...is a black hole...accept for infinitely more complex...this is why i said you can't explain nothing with a simple mathematical formula....because in nothing...there are no variables to go into the formula....which means..there is no formula...

It's not very simple at all especially for you.

what you're saying, (Yes I have to bring it to a Religious stance) is that everything has always existed and that's just how it's been. Things just didn't appear, they were always here.

Humans just evolved from those things.

YOU saying that NOTHING doesn't exist is no less disprovable than me saying NOTHING exists. There is no proof that the words I type are real and anything around us is real. There is no proof that this conversation is happening logically and in truth it really isn't because it's not connecting with your fucking brain (for some reason) and you won't accept it.

so we know that when you jump you fall.

When you breathe your lungs expand.

And when you kill all the germs on a table, though it is sterile and there is absolutely NOTHING on the table other than the wood, it's just impossible.

You see, that's where there's a line drawn inbetween your intelligence and mine. Because in some cases, we're both right. And here's my simplest example:

I could hold up a glass to your fucking face and say "There's absolutely nothing in this glass. Do you see ?"

And then you'll obviously laugh and go "NO THERE'S AIR AND MOLECULES AND ATOMS LAWL THERe'S ALL KINDS OF STUFF IN THAT CUP I JUST CAN'T DRINK IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIQUID LIKE WHAT THE GLASS WAS MEANT FOR"

Even though in truth, there is nothing of relevance in the cup at all and you just can't accept that.

And that is of course even after the hilarity of "Outter space" completely laces your brain.

You do understand that the blackness above our head, inbetween stars and planets, a huge majority of that space is empty? There is no-thing IN it, not even oxygen. No germs, no floating molecules or atoms, nothing but big-fucking-empty-space.

But of course, to you, that's SOMETHING. and it's called SPACE.

rofl

I am pleased that you know how to use abstractions to describe things such as a glass being empty, or space not having anything in it. Now let's move on to what I was referring to when I created this thread: The concept of void. What was it like before you were born?

No, I am not saying that. I am saying that regardless of my religious point of view..if God created the earth, his power is un-imaginable..nothing is an "independent element" of existence

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This is a horrible argument. Because the reality of this conversation...of this life...is irrelevant. Whether or not it is real, or fake, it is still one or the other. Neither of those options are nothing. They are both something. A mirage is a part of existance...so is a dream...all these things are completely tangible in comparison to "nothing" Even if everything went black, and time dissapeared....and the universe itself disapeared..there would still be empty space...and real or not....either it was real...and this did happen...or it was fake...and this didn't happen...but something else did. There is no real/fake in nothing...because fake is still something...it's not real, but it still remains in existance.



"nothing is an "independent element" of existence" that is a direct quote my friend...and if you would truly believe that you can disprove that...than you will go down in history as the greatest scientist of all time...the man who said that wasn't far from that title...



there is not a machine in the world that can kill all germs....MAYBE..bacteria? but i doubt that as well.

and, you say there is nothing on the wood...accept for the wood....only problem is....there is no atmosphere in NOTHING...unfortunately for your argument...we live in an atmosphere..there is thousands of pounds of air pressure pushing down on everything, including a table...not to mention air itself, and all of the other elements that float around the earth...like...LIGHT.......DARK....things like that...



wrong again, i would say that...and by you saying there is nothing of no relevance in the cup...is once again..you using it by YOUR definition....if you say there is absolutely nothing in the cup..the only thing that is relevant is whether you are wrong or right...in this case..you would be wrong....you could say there is no liquid...and you would still be wrong..because glass is a liquid..but let['s say it's plastic...you could say theres no liquid...and asside from the impossibility of that due to chemistry.....you would be right..but Like i said..that is using no...or nothing...towards a specific thing...not nothing in general



wrong again buddy, as I said...nothing is not empty space...because empty space is something.....and we do not have the technology...nor will we ever..to see to the ends of the entire plane of space...but...stars alone...send light through that.."nothing"....IN EVERY DIRECTION POSSIBLE....so once again...you are completely wrong.

I am not completely wrong. You've proved me right more than you think.



I can travel through a hole dug all the way to china but that doesn't mean I inhabit it. Light travels through space but it isn't IN the space, it's going through it. :D

and then everything else you said basically proved me right that you will not be convinced and I don't see why you should be convinced considering you're trying to explain Non-Existence in a Universe of it.

But hey, it's okay, I really don't blame you for your flaws.

I just blame you for making a conversation about nothing, something.

peace

....?????!!!!!! its a boy
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this is what it was like before and up to the point I was born. 2v and revolution you two are fighting for no reason. yall are looking at the nothing and not looking at the energy everything is already here you cant put the bread on the table unless you use energy to make it and put it there. nothing is simply not being able to explain what your seeing if you see an empty table there is still air on the table there is still space. you two are just fighting over the meaning of nothing stop it and get back to what this thread is abought terumoto's idea that happens to be titled nothing. not the explanation of nothing

Lmao....what do you not get..in nothing there is no light..because there is nothing....LIGHT IS SOMETHING..IT EXISTS IN SPACE....to exist somewhere and to inhabit somewhere ARE THE SAME THINGS...inhabit doesn't mean just live there your whole life....it means to occupy a completely random ammount of space, over a completely random ammount of time.


Nothing I said proved you right, if you really believe that. You might want to have your reading comprehension ability worked on, a lot.

I won't be convinced....because there is nothing to convince me of. I know what I know. What i've told you is 100% truth. The only way that truth is altered is if existance is altered itself.

You cannot have nothing...exist in the middle of something...

you can have something....you can have something like...a big ball of darkness in the middle of the sky inside of the earths atmosphere...that contains nothing...not even air, molecules, or ANYTHING...and that ball of darkness will still be something...it will be a place. it will be a difference...it will be something that is seen during the day, because if there is nothing in it..that means no light as well...it will just be black..like your space is....and how can you see NOTHING...


you can't. Nothing cannot exist within something...because for it to exist within something, turns what was once reffered to out of context as nothing...into something.



if you don't get it by now...you never will....so just leave it at that.

you go ahead and get the last word if it means that much to you..but i've explained something thats obviously pretty complicated for you...and i've been as concise as possible...which means if you don't understand it...theres nothing I or anyone can say, that will help you.

this thread is about NOTHING though. Read the beginning of it. It's not about energy..it's about NOTHING..hence the debate topic....we're not fighting over the meaning of nothing either...there is nothing to fight over...the meaning is clear, it's just people use the word as a tool for measurement......instead of explaining what nothing is...there are no loop holes to this...it's void...nothing isn't a shape..it isn't a size...it isn't a color..it isn't a weight...it isn't anything.....you can say..."there is nothing of this..nothing of that" and be wrong every single time...there is always something..end of story

Im not going to fight you but I will say this your both right.

no, we're not.



The argument is based on...the idea of nothingness. True nothingness is exactly what I said, as well as terumoto said at the opening of the thread. Than it extended to, nothingness not being able to exist within something....and I am right again....because there is always something in our world there is never nothing...it's cause and effect...you can't make nothing...you can't just blow a hole in the earth and say that theres nothing there...that's not true...not even close to the truth....there is a hole there....and within the hole....is a bunch of other shit that i don't want to go over again...


like i said..true nothingness has no shape, there is no time, no sound, no color, wind, no light, no dark, no heght, no width, no area, no movement, ....there is NOTHING.....we cannot comprehend this is a possibility because we live in a world where there is always something..hence the reason nothing is an independant element outside of existance.

I just got back from a friend's house who I made read this entire thread and he thinks you're an idiot too, R-Evolution.

Oh and my reading comprehension needs no tuning, however, your grammar sure does.

like I said before, peace.

And don't let ANYONE change how you view the world. Lord knows no one can.

So, your friends are idiots?

My grammar needs tuning, and you started a sentence with and.......tisk...


Listen douche bag...i'm sorry I don't go out of my way perfect my grammar on rapverse. I'm in college, writing scholarship. I'm going to graduate early..with over a 3.8. One of the classes I took. J202. 1 page paper every morning of class. 15 minutes...any grammatical or spelling errors..you fail the paper. The papers are worth over 50% of your grade, i got an A..easy....so i apologize if I value your opinion on my grammer, a lot less than my college professors...but you'll understand once you get there if you make it. Terumoto doesn't think your an idiot. He knows you are wrong though. This other dude that just posted in here, said we were both right...simply because he didn't understand the argument. And, i've told about a total of 10 people....about how im trying to explain "nothing" to this guy....and they are all curious as to how you don't fucking understand it yet.....so really, do I give a shit about your stupid ass friend who is just as narrow minded as you? No. Do i care if you arn't willing to accept the fact that nothing doesn't exist....no. It's common sense. I bet I could ask my youngest sister, and off the top of her head, she could show a better understanding of this subject than you have shown after it was explained to you very thoroughly.



All i can say to you now is, to argue with me...is to argue with just about every scientist thats ever walked the face of the earth.



Now, if you are going to reply....please show me one possible example where "Nothing" in it's entirety...not just used as a word for measure....can exist in this world..right now....think real hard...think of ONE example...where you can say there is nothing, and there will be no way to deny it.....if you can't do this...just shut the fuck up....i'm tired of seeing your un-educated nonsense over and over.

I imagine that what it was like before I was born is exactly what it will be like after I die. So, on a related note, I suppose to be scared of death is to be scared of the same thing that was before life. There was nothing, from the perspective of 'me' at least, and when I die it will be that way again. No blackness, no space, no lost memories, no time, no emotions, no knowledge, no pain, no bliss even........just absolutely nothing.







Just trying to un-mutilate this thread. =/

finally, someone with something of value to say.


like you said though, that "nothingness" isn't nothingness in it's entirety. That is soley your perspective. All those things still exist in the world, only difference is, you have lost the ability to recognize anything.


And i wouldn't say that to fear death is to fear the pre-birth experience all over again....I would say it's more, the fear of death is the fear of never being happy again. Never getting to do the things you love doing. While you are free from suffering, you are also kept from happiness. Not to mention, some people are a little shook by the idea of hell. But realistically....I think fear of death is a condition that is un-avoidable, it can only be treated when you reach a certain level of maturity and acceptance. As humans, especially americans...we're afraid of change. And Death is the biggest change any of us can possibly go through. It's not something we think about and spook ourselves with, but I think sub-conciously it's definately an active thought.

I'll tell you something interesting. Have you ever seen that thing that cats do where they just stare out into space for long periods of time? Like they'll sit on a porch or a fence or a couch and just stare, it looks like they're daydreaming or something. Well a study was done, and in fact when cats do that, they have NO brain activity whatsoever. None. Not a brain wave at all besides the very tiny ones that keep them breathing and shit. No actual brain activity occurs.

Just another reason why cats are so awesome.

This thread is somthing, nothing would of not been making a thread.

if this thread wouldn't have been made...it wouldn't exist..just like i've been saying the whole time.


however....you cannot say...."there is nothing" because i didn't make a thread on an online hip hop forum....


thats the whole point of this....there is a vast difference between there is no thread, and there is nothing. But, why am I explaining this to you....you arn't that yuppy ass un-educated pretend to be intellectual type that I was dealing with earlier

I'm sorry but you failed to persuade me and I failed to persuade you, and in SOME cases, we were both right. However, I see this and you don't, which gives me an easy upper-hand over you.

You failed to persuade me because there is nothing to persuade me of. Your argument was empty, and based on nothing but a personal interpreation of a word.


In many cases, we could have argued and been both correct.

However, that is not possible in this case. Because for me to be right, which I am, because it's an un-deniable truth...would completely reverse any possibility of the latter.

Just like if you were right, which I, as well as most human beings over the age of 12, can gaurantee that you are not. But hypothetically speaking, if you were...I could not possibly be right.

That's just how it is. There is no grey area.


And i could flip this, and say that..."And your failure to see this as true gives ME the upper hand"

You can make your own rules about anything and everything, that doesn't make them effective though.

so instead I'll say.

By admitting i was right, even thought it is only partial, is admitting i was 100% successful in my intention.


Thanks

I asked a 42 year old adult male who's been in the navy and studied Universe Relevance before and he told me I was closer to right than you were.

And this is the exact reason he gave me -

Because you spent the entire time in our so called "Argument" babbling about the importance of Nothing. Which obviously made it Something, which obviously made you contradict yourself all the way through the near-end of page 2.

You're a stupid fuck. lmao

see, this is where you look stupid.


I never once argued the importance of nothing. I argued that nothing, in it's entirety, didn't even exist.
that it could not exist...because it's existance completely reverses the possibility of being nothing.

And please don't try to say I'm making nothing into something, by saying it's something that doesn't exist...because that just displays how basic your mind really is more-so than ever.

By saying nothing doesn't exist, i'm not contradicting myself, i'm doing my best in explaing something that is impossible for the human language to fully explain.


Oh yeah, the part that makes you look stupid. Is you claiming you understood me 100%. When you just proved that you didn't at all.