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i've never liked lakers, but this year they cool. but i'll hate'em again if pistons make the finals

pistons gonna have to step it up and stop playing so damn sloppy. that and if Rondo plays a good game, the pistons really have no chance. Rondo sets up the rest of the celtics, take him out...they turn to shit.

rondo's wack, they should sam cassels ugly ass in there

yea rondo is so wack that when sam cassel plays they turn the ball over and cant score but when hes in the offence excels man is that hella wack i went to last nites game 5 and man was the garden rocking i was 9 rows from the floor paid 135 a piece for 2 tix im hoping the celts can end it in game 6 greatest scenario for basketball would be a lakers celtics finals ................go celts

hahahhhaahhah, no wonder why people from Detriot like watching hockey so much and not supporting the pistions, cuz they dont know SHIT about basketball.

Sam Cassel, is HORRIBLE. Every time he has the ball he thinks he can make a play. Dude is washed the fuck up. Rondo is the celtics go guy. HE has to be making plays, drawing in defenders and dishin back to Allen for Ray to get open looks. Or driving deep and giving it up to Garnet for easy dunks.

I think with the historical rivalry that the lakers and celtics have had, and that both of them are the #1 teams, it would be a fucking sick finals if they were against eachother...

Celtics aree my team too... werd

good shit,i hope its lakers and celtics

Pistons all day.

Go Celtics. Go Lakers.


Tis all :thumbup:

It's true Rondo finds people open, but also last game though he made a lot of sloppy plays. Like LOBBING passes dangerously late in the game. He's lucky none of them got picked off, and then he blew some close range jumpers, but luckily perkins was there to clean that up. And it seemed like he got a lil afraid and passed on some open jump shots, and ended up trying to pass it and turning it over.

But I mean, could be just the inexperience and pressure. But he still is way better than Cassell and finds people. But he still isn't perfect.

^^ dont get me wrong. I dont think Rondo is amazing. He def. aint no Chris Paul. But he's much much better than Cassel.

It's odd, dont' cucha think.....the team that usallly wins in the playoffs is the team with the better point gaurd??? (New Orleans should have beat San Antonio, but they choked)

Rondo is in no way, shape, or form better than Chauncey Billups. Chauncey is a seasoned veteran who would start for almost any team in the NBA, while Rondo would be lucky to be the #2 guy on most teams. Rondo isn't bad, but he just fits well with the big 3 in Boston. He has no pressure on him besides getting the ball to a scorer.....anyone can do that. The only reason he's better than Cassell right now is cause Cassell thinks he's still a scorer, when he's not :thumbup:

than why wouldn't they just put anybody in to play point guard?? i mean, if anyone can do it.

They do. They just put their best ball handler in there. You don't have to be a scorer or even know how to play defense, all you have to do is be able to keep the ball from a defender and give it to your best scorers. For some reason Cassell thinks he's supposed to be one of the primary scorers whenever he's in the game, which is why he gets limited playing time. Rondo has embraced his role, but he's taken it a little too far. You have to know when to shoot as well. He gets wide open looks that he passes up with the shot clock low because he knows he's not supposed to be a scorer.


He is, however, getting better. I can see him being a very good point guard who is over shadowed by the better scorers on a team sort of how Eric Snow was his whole career. He plays good defense, handles the ball well, can score when he needs to, now all he needs to do is learn how to make some better decisions, which takes experience :thumbup:

The Lakers like boys. It's time for Garnett to get a ring.

If Boston wins tonight, it'll be the Finals that I thought it would be. I'm eager to see Boston pull it out and win, but the Lakers keep proving that they can come back from devastating losses. I think it'll be a real good series that will probably go to 7 games :thumbup:

i can def. see him becoming like Eric Snow. Rondo's defense isn't quite as good as Snow's was tho. and i can't say that i see it getting much better unless he learns to control his energy and feed it into certain area's...i.e. defense, taking open shots. I guess i dont see our arguement anymore, because i stated that the teams with better point gaurds usally win in the playoffs. Than you came out of no were with a Billups refernece. N now we both agree that Rondo is a good player that is growing on a pretty good team, and that he isn't as over rated just because he has good talent around him....correct?? :huh:

Nah, I was just saying that I thought Billups was a better point guard than Rondo and the Celtics are winning which isn't helping your logic. Anyway, we do agree on Rondo though and I think with the determination and discipline, he could be even better than Eric Snow was cause he's got one leg up on Snow......his speed :thumbup:

wait wait wait....

Billups + Good = Pistons loosing

Rondo + Mediocre = Celtics winning

n all i ever said was that usally the team with a point gaurd who is playing better...which obviously Rondo is playing better than Billups, RIGHT NOW, not overal carrer. Billups is hurt, dude hasn't been playing much. Stuckey is leading the Pistons much more than Billups is regardless.

Ahhhh......I see what you're saying now. I totally agree with you. To win, your point guard has to be on his game, whatever his role is. Rondo is definitely playing his role better than Billups is in this series which is leading to the Celtics winning. The games he sucked in during the series with the Cavs, West was beasting and the Cavs won, so I can see your logic :thumbup:

^^ you can see how pivotal a point gaurd really is to a team. Look at the Cav's...lol.

n honestly, if you want to know who the best point gaurd of all time was....its Magic. N in comparionson to playing styles, Lebron should be a point. He plays like Magic, not like Jordan.

I disagree with that Lebron comment. I think he needs a more natural point guard, move either Gibson or West to the 2 Guard and have Lebron the Small Forward/3rd Guard. He does better at moving without the ball cause when he was bringing the ball up against the Celtics, he was handled a lot easier than when he was roaming around without the ball. I can respect the argument though, cause I would have thought the same thing if I didn't see it not working.

It might not have worked against the Celtics because they were the best defensive team this year, so I wouldn't mind seeing them try it again against some other teams :thumbup:


He does play a lot like Magic though.....

Man, Rondo is fucking blowing balls right now.....just watching the Celtics sloppy play...if they advance they are gonna get just smashed by the Lakers.

Yea, I agree. Game 5 against Cleveland was a glimpse. Dude was crazy. I also think Doc Rivers is not coaching the Celts right. How he handles his bench and everything, iunno. Put a better coach for this celtics team i think they easily could have eclipsed 72+ wins and not struggled in play-offs.

As one of Boston's most passionate fans, I think Bill Simmons explains it perfectly here:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page...=simmons/080530

also check out his article about Garnett not being clutch player (which i agree)

^^ WHAT!?!?!? how the fuck can you EVER say Garnett isn't a clutch player???

^read the article, it says everything i could say better than i could say it. It has facts.

You tell me how he is clutch with facts, or examples. Cuz that article gives many examples. read it, before coming back at the kid, son.

Eclipse > Mustangs


there's a fucking fact

i read the article...but he doesn't give very good examples, in specific games. He talks about how he looks flustered and blah blah blah in Alanta game 7. That he is over anxious. Thats bullshit, if i wrote a paper specifically about how great he was in the clutch the same way this dip shit wrote it...than it would look the other way around.

*disclamier* I like Garnett, and i think highly of him, but he aint my favorite player...i just think that article is way one sided and highly misinforming

well it's true. And he said Game 6 of Cavs series. And same could be seen in game 7. You saw Paul Pierce, he turned his game up a notch when it's clutch time. Same with Lebron. Kobe did it last night. Garnett doesn't have that. Like the article says, he plays the same as he does in the beginning of the game in crunch time. Great players turn it up a notch when it's crunch time. I mean, he can hit those crazy jump shots when it doesn't matter. But how many game winners have you seen him hit? He doesn't want the ball then it seems like.

and don't say he's a big man, he shouldn't bhe taking those shots. Well all game long he keeps taking them, and wanting it. Why should it be any different at crunch time?

.....ok, lol, so you just stated that the dude players at the highest level of intesity he can all game long. -correct

other players that are 'clutch' turn it up, during ...clutch time - correct

^^ that would also mean that other players aren't playing their best at all times.

Garnett is the most consistent player on the court at all times. Its rare for him NOT to have a huge game. So if Sam Cassel dropped 40 tonight in game 6, and Garnett drops 25...but gets 15 rebounds, does that make him less clutch?? No.

your associating points with clutch, not taking into account rebounding, defense. Think about how many times Garnett fills the lane and forces other players on the floor to take shitty shots. Thats not clutch??

Dawg, if you weren't an eclipse owner I'd wanna slap the fuck out of you for that response.

What I'm saying is, if you're an athlete, and play ANY SPORT, when it comes down to crunch time, you know you have to step it up. It doesn't matter if you're playing 100% all game long or 150%, every great player will step it up still. I'm saying Kobe. Last night, he plays his heart out all game. But don't even THINK About telling me that Kobe plays the same level in the first half then when there is less than 2 mins left and it's a close game. There is no comparision. Same with Michael Jordan, same with Lebron James, etc. the point the article was making was, Garnett doesn't seem to be one of those players that tries to step it up.

and it's true, Garnett looks lost when he has the ball late in a clutch situation. Whether it's from inexperience in pressure moments, or whatever it is, who knows. But he doesn't seem to shine in pressure situations.

your arguement about boards and altering shots is pointless. Because I haven't seen him step it up either in that. I've watched every Celtics game this play-offs (rooting for them to lose ~_~) and in EVERY close game, I have yet to see Garnett Step up and take over the game in the closing minutes. It's either Pierce or Allen, or sometimes PJ Brown LOL, but i haven't seen Garnett do anything.

Prove me wrong. You're stating things he COULD do. show me stats, or show me instances where he DID do those things.

hahaha, any one else hear Rasheed Wallace?? Picks up his 5th foul, gets sent to the bench. ESPN's camera is right next to him, sound is on, and he's like "I Can't take no more, get that fucking camera outta my face." Throws his towel on the camera.....

ESPN's reaction....."They shoulda gave Wallace a techinal for throwing the towel on the camera"


HAHAHAHAH

I don't think you're gonna ever see a big man be the clutch player most people like. Garnett plays the same from the beginning of the game to the end, which is very well. He's probably the most consistent player in the NBA. He's not the kind of guy who is gonna run around without the ball searching out open shots. He's the kind of guy who sets up in the post, or runs the pick and roll. He's not geared for the traditional "clutch" player. That role is more geared towards guards who can run all over the place with the ball from one end of the court to the other and make the shot. Arenas might be the best clutch player of all time in my eyes, and guess what, he's a guard.


Just my opinion:


Duncan = best player on the Spurs
Parker/Ginobli = who the Spurs go to for a clutch play

Garnett = Best player on the Celtics
Allen/Pierce = who the Celtics go to for the clutch play



I could go on and on about it, but when it comes down to the wire, your guards are counted on to make the big play :thumbup:

if you didn't own an eclipse, i'd wanna slap the shit outta you.....

next...

look at when he played in minnesota.....dude was the fucking MVP. Guy knows clutch. You want stat's, look em up yourself. Its obvious why he isn't taking a shit load of shots, cuz he DOESN'T HAVE TOOOOOOOO. He's got ALLEN AND PIERCE, and Brown (hahahah)

but you look at his days in Minesota, he WAS THAT NIG.

GOD DAMN IT SPUL :banghead: << thats what i feel like.

but deep down, its all :love: :hump:

exactly, i was about to bring up this point


if Spuls definetion was correct, than Shaq wasn't a clutch player

^wait what are you talking about? lol

and Enygma you're wrong. In a pressure game, crunch time wouldn't just be a last second shot. Yea, that's for your best shooter. I'm talking, like less than 8 mins or even sometimes entire 4th quarter. Duncan did that last night. He was trying to keep spurs in it. Even announcers were saying "This is the time for Duncan to be selfish, and take it to the hole" or some shit.

and Shaq WAS clutch. He'd still post up late in games, and either get his shots, or create openings with the doubles and triple teams he got.

Garnett really doesn't do that. Look @ game 5. Word he had 33 pts. BUT... his last fg of the game came with NINE minutes left in 4th. NINE. he missed like 4 or 5 jumpshots within that 9 mins. and then had like 2 fts made. You're telling me Celtics just needed their guards for that rest of 9 mins? noo...

and then tonight, there he is, only 10 pts. Game 7 v.s Cavs, only 13 pts.

I don't even know why you bring Shaq. Shaq consistently put down over 25 pts, play-offs or regular season in his prime.

I don't see Garnett doing all that.

and another reason you'd have weird logic my NYG enygma, is if Garnett is the Celts BEST player. What makes it eright for him to take a back seat when it's a close game in the 4th quarter? That's where he needs to take off and dominate inside, or with the jump shot. Late game last second situations, THOSE are for your best jump shooters. But Shaq, Duncan, they all step it up and that's who their respective teams look for down low to get that bucket in a back and forth contest.

You're mistaking what I'm saying bout being a clutch crunch time player with being a last second shooter.

and since I'm a Kings fan i'd know this very well. (Kings lost to T-Wolves in a 7 game series (forget yr))

But Garnett didn't do SHIT game 7 down the stretch. Or whole series down the stretch. It was sam Cassel and I THINK sprewell. I forget. But it was Sam Cassel.

also look @ chris webber. before his injury, dude was a BEAST during the game, but choked crunch time. (michigan time out shit, all the series with the Lakers, etc) fuck Webber.

^^ spul, i' just want to fuck your mouth...so that way you can see where i'm cumin from.


but you just stated that why would Garnett take a back seat in 'crunch time'......nigga wants to win. So he'll do whatever it takes, weather or not hes the last fool to take the shot...he's willin to take on the double teams and kick it out, not taking the last shot, but getting the guy who's taking the last shot a WIDE OPEN SHOT.

god damn it spul, you make me think you dont even own your eclipse...and that its just a lease

Webber was a beast even in the crunch...the kings should have won alot of those series...they just didn't get the last shot.