Opinions on suicide?
 

In the R.I.P. thread dedicated to Terumoto Pinky said that he thinks suicide is a weak way to go, and I don't agree with him.

Pinky, if I may, what makes you think suicide is a "weak" way to die?

too weak to face lifes problems maybe?

^^what he said .

it depends on the justification of suicide and life sucks in general so I encourage suicide to those who want to help the lives of others, there is of course the "Enduring mass amounts of laboring pain so you can give the next guy some cash in his pocket and food to eat" route, but that's too Jesus-like..

but in the case of me, where life is just absolute shit and I want to die, I'm just like, okay well I'll keep living because that's what people expect of me and it won't teach a good lesson to anyone if I simply end my life without any final words.

Anyway I might or might not have cancer but if I do, I'll have to accept it. Life is just .. meh. If you have a girlfriend and she says she loves you, all you gotta do is die and she'll be taking in some other guy's dick within months or years. She'll get the fuck over you.

That's how fake and twisting this world is, and I don't want any part of it. Which is also why I refuse to have sex.

i agree on suicide being wack. It's selfish straight up. I know two familys personally, who are still dealing with the aftermath of suicide. Live with them, then tell me it ain't wack as fuck. word.

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Suicide is selfish.

Id commit suicide if I was native.

Yes, I pretty much agree with what Baph said. I honestly think that suicide is a weak way out because people who go that route are not strong enough inside to face the problems they are dealing with in life. They are weak inside, so its not necessarily the suicide that is weak, it is the person commiting suicide that is weak.

And that is not necessarily something they can help, some people are just not built that strong. Their upbringing can have a lot do with it, maybe lack of belief in themselves and lack of belief from other people; always getting put down or whatever can lead a person to grow up into someone who lacks self confidence and doesn't really have any sense of accomplishment. Regardless of their personality that they show to the world, you can't really be sure what is going on underneath.

It is just a sad thing that some people can't handle so much pain or whatever and learn to deal with it, through no intentional fault of their own. Just a shame. Even still, suicide or not, OMB was a legend and will be remembered as such I am sure.

Die.



I think I agree with most of the folks posting in this thread. Suicide is a terrible thing to do. But you know, if Terumoto's reasons were purely personal and had nothing to do with external events, then he was just doing what he felt he had to do. Who am I to say that what he did was wack?

Like I said, there are more reasons to commit suicide than lack of self confidence or being weak.

There's also the "I am omitting many gases into the planet and thus I am damaging the ozone layer and because humans are not efficient at taking care of waste yet, I am basically a human waste basket causing more and more damage to the ozone layer which could potentially end the earth. Now I must kill myself. How I can I do this in an environmentally friendly way?"

of course that can be argued with the typical "Well the world's gonna end at any point so why take your life?"

Then that can be argued with a more sadistic side of the previous answer, "Well the world's gonna end at any point anyway so why not take my life?"

It really depends on what the person wants. It involves no weakness whatsoever, because truth comes to baring, and we see that a large margin of suicidal people are too weak to really kill themselves.

So put it in your pipe .

What about the teenage cults commiting mass suicide because they think it is cool?

Then they wouldn't be a cult.

They'd be a group of faddists.

Well, whatever they are... are you saying that they are not weak-minded. They are following the words spoken by an appointed leader who is convincing them that suicide is the way out to become pure or whatever the gay reason he/she gives.

Nobody of strong mind and will would follow such idiotic beliefs, unless they are a complete moron. So are they all complete morons or just weak-minded? Or perhaps you have an alternative theory, I am intrigued to know.

Okay, how 'bout this.

You believe you are better and talk to people who don't quite understand what you see in yourself but the words you speak seem like enlightenment and you give off the vibe of an enlightened man. They follow your words and accept your offerings of love and honor, you build them homes with your bare hands and swear on the earth's life that the world you created is holy in comparison to the evils of the outside world. You are on private property and no one can bother you, you share food and drink and good times and everyone thinks everything is grand and that you are extremely enlightened and every answer you have to a deep question is holy.

You then suggest a together-suicide because the end times are coming, or someone from the outside is coming to make you un-pure and you must remain pure from the enemy's hands.

They've already given their life to you.

Would they refuse?

No, they wouldn't.

What I asked though is whether or not that makes them weak-minded, because they choose to follow the words of another rather than make their own way in the world... they choose to follow a predetermined way set out before them by another.

No, you didn't ask whether or not anything.

You made a statement that people are morons that commit suicide through order and belief, and you asked for an alternative outcome to suicide in accordance to being weak-minded.

I gave one. Whether or not the people are weak minded doesn't really matter, however, it's about the world that YOUR life believes and if this person that wants you to kill yourself with him/her has created your entire belief system and your entire world around you, there's a good chance you'll die with them. Which doesn't make you weak-minded, some would even argue that makes you strong minded and core to your beliefs.

Potato - potarto..

Retado..........

Yahtzee!






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Really? Good for you. :thumbup:

yeah its pretty obvious why its weak Mim... and the most selfish thing somebody could do.

I dont beleive its selfish unless you have a young child depending on you. The only way any of you have the right to say it is, is if you have been suicidal before.
I have and not saying all of you coz i dont know simply but most have never even thought of the idea before.
What im trying to say is many have no idea of the pain you feel or have a clue of the suffering at that point in life.
No-one in the world deserves to feel that way, its not nice and life is meant to be happyness that god created but if your not happy and have tried everything possible to be happy then in my opinion you owe the world nothing, and should feel no guilt in putting this horrible day to day feeling to a stop.

my 2.5 cents........

It's essentially selfish because of what you put other people through; there are people who care about you in this world. You have to think about the emotional torment through which you put your friends and family. If you feel that your pain is worth more than the pain you eventually inflict on everyone around you, then you are indeed selfish.

I again, must say

Suicide is whack as fuck



lol, didn't know you'd make a thread for this Mim's.

i realize that people commit suicide for a reason, nobody said they weren't depressed... but it is still the most selfish thing you can do, because you are the ONLY person who gets out of suffering... everybody else has to suffer for you.

Oh no.

One less human. So much suffering. Make it stop.

but let's take a look at this for a second.

Selfish... okay, I'll buy that..

Say it's your, dad that kills himself. You were a little kid. What a selfish guy right?

Wrong... You want him alive to take care of you. Could it possibly be that, despite his pain and suffering, you're only thinking about YOUR needs? I think so. You're the selfish one..

so two people can't be selfish as the same time?

They can, but it's hypocritical for any outsider or insider, to claim selfishness on the one that commits suicide.

o.k first off o.m.b was'nt no legend.he pretty much sucked and then got o.k but he was never that good...................anyways.suicide is weak because it is nothing more then a final form of running away.it is ducking and avoiding whatever is troubling you instead of facing these things wether they be inner demons or actual problems in life.suicide is nothing more then running away.suicide is feeling that running away is so important that you will give the most precious thing you have and that is life.those who commit suicide are cowards or maybe just so crazy that they don't realize the actions that they do.sucide is very final so it does take some measure of courage to even commit the act.i love life so much i could'nt imagine giving it up.maybe in the end suicide is just not caring anymore.

I can accept some peps opinions but what i think is fucked up is how people think they know right from wrong on a subject they have never encounted.
It is not selfish- so what most of you peps are saying is someone is suffering so bad that they feel to weak or scarred to carry on with what is happening in there life that they should live through it by no certain means nessasary?
In my opinion if someone hated life so much and they saw them struggle for years, i would'nt blame them for taking there own life or be angry with them.You should feel in bliss that they have finally found peace with themselves.
It is selfish to not understand there position and immeditaly put full blame on there front because of there own grief.
I would never hold it against them if someone close to me took there life if they were suffering that bad, i would simply be gutted that i lost someone i was close too but happy that they no longer feel that day to day pain.

speaking of ducking cali how about you go and peep the thread at the top of LL :thumbup:

and i agree it can be considered selfish but as someone else said it can be seen as a double standard if one says it is selfish due to their caring about the impact it would have on them.

and everyone has at least one weakness, whether physical, psychological or emotional (albeit to varying degrees most probably) so no one should be rushing in to label it weak as that is also hypocrasy in itself

i believe it is just a sign of weakness and selfishness.... the only way i believe it to be an "acceptable" option is if you are already in mortal danger... like if u have been diagnosed with cancer or have just become a vegetable.... something where a literal lifetime of pain would occur... people who kill themselves because their girlfriend broke their heart, have had a lifetime of heartache, they can't find a job, or enough money to really scrape by, is just a sign of weakness, that they cant deal with their own issues.... i think that it almost takes alot of "balls" to actually go through with it, but it is a Huge sign of mental weakness, fear, and selfishness.... anyone who ever thought about how they could potentially ruin the lives of their family and friends wouldnt do it unless they were that selfish

gotcha...that makes much more sense.

cali...you've been out of fucking line lately. You consider yourself a legend...most if not all the people on this board....consder OMB to have been better then you....when he first got here...he was immediately dropping with the best...battling with the best...and over-all...contributing to the site more then 98% of the people who have ever been here on an intellectual level. His talent exceeded yours and just about everyone you know...and to top it off....he never let his ego get out of hand....as a matter of fact...he had maybe the smallest ego out of anyone here that could actually write. To say OMB was a good dude, is a fucking understatement...and you should feel ashamed of yourself to be the ONLY one who is selfish enough to tarnish his name without having just cause.

i didnt know omb was your hero, V

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Like i was saying...................

If you are ever unfortunatley put in to the position of not wanting to live.......Its extremely hard to think of others, which inbeing is not selfish its just like the situation you are in and what your feelin, it makes anything else unimportant or vaguely memorable and inturn things that are valuable in your heart are no longer because your brain is so obsessed in how you yourself is feelin. Its a natural process.....

Also when life feels like not worth living, you feel like you owe the world nothing.


(this is not in all cases)

How is your opinion pretty obvious to anybody but you? You think suicide is a weak and selfish act, and I don't. I used to, but my opinion has changed.

For those of you that think only weak people commit suicide, may I ask whether or not you have ever been seriously depressed? I'm not talking about whether you've been sad after a breakup with a girl, etc. because everybody has. I'm asking whether you've ever suffered from depression. Have you ever seriously considered suicide? If you do decide to answer, please be honest.

I'm not going to make assumptions about people, so I'll wait to respond until after I see the kind of audience I'm talking to.