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Cola 09-29-08 07:23 PM

Bail Out, Any Idea's?
 
Any one get ne clue on what the fuck is going on anymore with the American dream?


I dont get it....

Republican's, who oppose to buying up private business's.....voted against the bill.

Yet, it was proposed by a Republican leader.

Democracts want the bill to be passed, yet...if the bill is passed, we will have to pay for it through higher taxes.

Obama, wants the bill to be passed

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26945630/

yet, who is going to pay for it? Us, middle class, already strugglin Americans.

I thought Obama was against putting more pressure on the middle class.


I'm def. confused, and a little pissed off.

This shit is scary though, seeing how alot of American's are now feeling as if all the hard work they did...buying into the American set of vaules, and living by them...but now feeling backstabbed by them. Due to the fact that our goverment is completely fucking up.

I worked my ass off for a company, and i bought into their values and belivied the company would help me out because i had done everything i could. In the end, i got completely fucked...i still work there 1 day a week for extra spending cash. But i could give a fuck if the company goes under. I hope that this experinece isn't the same feeling i'll have with America.


Anyone else got ne input?

Chris Stylez 09-29-08 08:38 PM

Some speaker spoke bad about the republican before the voting. The 12 republics got pissed and didnt vote like they were suppose to cuz of their pride. Were ran by some shitheads.

09-29-08 08:47 PM

aside from that, haven't I been telling you from the start that they're both owned anyway?

unless you have a guy that looks crazy, jabbering his head off about all the wrongs in America, then you're gonna have people like Obama (like I said from the start) brainwashing America with hope.

And dumbass faggots like Aphillyate, telling other people that the jabbering crazy guy is insane and America needs a brainwasher sweet-talker to talk about how good America can-be.

just face up to some damn truth. If you can't do that, you still have a few feet to drop before rock bottom.

p4ntzistheish 09-29-08 10:10 PM

I saw a good idea on how to reinvigorate the economy by instead of bailing out AIG, we bail out America.

Instead, give the $85,000,000,000 to America in a We Deserve It Dividend.
To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000 bona fide U.S. Citizens 18+.

Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up… So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals $425,000.00.
The plan would give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a We Deserve It Dividend.

Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let’s assume a tax rate of 30%.
Every individual 18+ would pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam. But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.

A husband and wife would have $595,000.00.
What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads!
Put away money for college – it will be there!
Save in a bank – create money to lend to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car – create jobs!
Invest in the market – capital drives growth!
Pay for your parent’s medical insurance – health care improves!
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else~

Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.

If we're going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do it...instead of trickling out
a puny $1,000.00 (“vote buy”) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.

If we're going to execute an $85 billion bailout, let’s bail out every adult US Citizen 18+!

As for AIG – liquidate it.
Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American General.
Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.

Here’s the rationale. We deserve it, and AIG doesn't.
Sure it’s a crazy idea that can “never work.”
But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!
How do you spell Economic Boom?

I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC.

And remember, The Plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.



I'm no economist but it seems like it would work.

Cola 09-29-08 10:12 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2v
aside from that, haven't I been telling you from the start that they're both owned anyway?

unless you have a guy that looks crazy, jabbering his head off about all the wrongs in America, then you're gonna have people like Obama (like I said from the start) brainwashing America with hope.

And dumbass faggots like Aphillyate, telling other people that the jabbering crazy guy is insane and America needs a brainwasher sweet-talker to talk about how good America can-be.

just face up to some damn truth. If you can't do that, you still have a few feet to drop before rock bottom.



First off....u can call me a faggot all you'd like, just remember...

parents basement < my own house

besides all of that...

dude, you are crazy. You go about things the wrong way.

'FUCKING AMERICA IS FUCKED! FUCKING FUCK, THERE IS NOTHING LEFT! FUCKING JUST FUCK IT, LETS ALL LEAVE N RUN!'

that makes you sound like a lil BITCH.

its because of dumbass's like you, with your fuck this lets leave mentality that were in this situation in the first place.

Maybe if American's grew some fucking nuts, like we did in the 50's n actualy started to WORK for what we want, instead of belivieing that we should be GIVEN it...than we woulnd't be in this 'credit' mess.

Cola 09-29-08 10:15 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantz.
I saw a good idea on how to reinvigorate the economy by instead of bailing out AIG, we bail out America.

Instead, give the $85,000,000,000 to America in a We Deserve It Dividend.
To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000 bona fide U.S. Citizens 18+.

Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up… So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals $425,000.00.
The plan would give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a We Deserve It Dividend.

Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let’s assume a tax rate of 30%.
Every individual 18+ would pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam. But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.

A husband and wife would have $595,000.00.
What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads!
Put away money for college – it will be there!
Save in a bank – create money to lend to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car – create jobs!
Invest in the market – capital drives growth!
Pay for your parent’s medical insurance – health care improves!
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else~

Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.

If we're going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do it...instead of trickling out
a puny $1,000.00 (“vote buy”) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.

If we're going to execute an $85 billion bailout, let’s bail out every adult US Citizen 18+!

As for AIG – liquidate it.
Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American General.
Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.

Here’s the rationale. We deserve it, and AIG doesn't.
Sure it’s a crazy idea that can “never work.”
But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!
How do you spell Economic Boom?

I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC.

And remember, The Plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.



I'm no economist but it seems like it would work.



fuck ...yeah!!! :thumbup:

that shit would own son, own.

Magic5 09-29-08 10:22 PM

Nobody who's posted in this thread understands what's happening. We needed the bail out and it pisses me the fuck off that the House didn't pass it, but whoever said everybody 18+ should get money doesn't know shit and Pinky, that's not how the bail out would work.

p4ntzistheish 09-29-08 10:32 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimesis
Nobody who's posted in this thread understands what's happening. We needed the bail out and it pisses me the fuck off that the House didn't pass it, but whoever said everybody 18+ should get money doesn't know shit and Pinky, that's not how the bail out would work.


Hence the last time I posted. If you're so smart what would you do?

Magic5 09-29-08 10:33 PM

I'd pass the fucking bailout.

p4ntzistheish 09-29-08 10:40 PM

Well you only bailout of bankruptcy, and bankruptcy at that scale means demand is fucked. Throwing money at a sinking ship won't help.

Magic5 09-29-08 10:48 PM

Right now the ship is sinking. If the bailout isn't passed the ship will probably sink. If the bailout is passed, the ship may sink anyway, but it's the best option we have left.

The financial industry is collapsing and everybody's so quick to talk about how the bailout may not work, but AT LEAST IT'S SOMETHING. This is the worst financial crisis this country has been in since 1929 and everybody wants to sit on their hands and watch? WHAT THE FUCK kind of garbage ass solution is that? You're right, the financial industry may collapse even with the bailout, but at least the bailout will give it a chance to work.

Giving money to people 18+ will not solve ANYTHING. Whoever wrote the little article that you posted doesn't understand how capitalism works. I'm tired of these media and political morons pretending like they understand capitalism's archeticture when they don't. Giving everybody a fucking check for a few hundred thousand dollars would be nice, but it will not fucking work.

p4ntzistheish 09-29-08 10:52 PM

I see what the guy post'd as an extension of the Stimulus checks the gov't sent out this year to help stimulate economy. Grant'd much larger but an extension none the less. Yeah the bail out will show some stability so banks MAY take risks again it's still an iffy situation. As if giving out hundreds of thousands of dollars to the public, but there are still only so many options that the public will take, spend in masse, or save. either way the economy is either being replenished by spending, or banks will have savings to lend out again to invigorate that way. i see either way as a positive. Maybe it's just me.

Sean Gunner 09-29-08 11:06 PM

I wonder if we will enter a war to bring us out of the looming depression.

Magic5 09-29-08 11:07 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantz.
I see what the guy post'd as an extension of the Stimulus checks the gov't sent out this year to help stimulate economy. Grant'd much larger but an extension none the less. Yeah the bail out will show some stability so banks MAY take risks again it's still an iffy situation. As if giving out hundreds of thousands of dollars to the public, but there are still only so many options that the public will take, spend in masse, or save. either way the economy is either being replenished by spending, or banks will have savings to lend out again to invigorate that way. i see either way as a positive. Maybe it's just me.


It is just you and everybody else who doesn't understand how capitalism works.

Do you really think I'd be sitting here arguing against a couple hundred thousand dollars if I didn't think it'd fail? Of fucking course I want a few hundred grand, but that's not going to work. Giving money to everybody will not help the financial situation at all.

If capital isn't being generated, capitalism can't work. Most people just don't understand capitalism, and I normally don't have any reason to blame anybody for that, except right now the people who are making the decisions on the bailout NEED to understand what they're doing by not passing it. They don't get it. I don't care if anybody else on this site gets it except for me -- hoping for a $400,000 check accomplishes nothing and will not happen because it doesn't make any sense, as it's not a solution to the problem we're having.

There's a reason why Warren Buffet came out this weekend and said we needed this bailout. Everybody who understands capitalism knows we need this bailout. People who don't understand capitalism hope for a big ass check, or think that giving a big ass check to everybody will solve something. It won't.

The bailout needs to be passed, and I really hope Congress changes their mind on Thursday or there's a pretty decent chance that we're all going to find ourselves in deep shit.

Adam 09-29-08 11:50 PM

Just imagine how much worse it will get if McCain is running the country in a month.

Magic5 09-30-08 12:00 AM

It's not like Obama could make it any better.

Adam 09-30-08 12:10 AM

The Democratic Party would have done a better job preventing it from happening.

I'm Canadian, I got my own election to worry about, but the Republican party fucked up the Canadian economy as well, so vote: Change.

Magic5 09-30-08 12:24 AM

Hahahahahahaha, what?? You're arguing under false pretenses. You have no idea what would have happened if a Democrat was a president right now. Besides, the Republican Party didn't fuck up the economy anyway.

What are you even talking about? Do you even know what's happening right now in the United States economy?

It has nothing to do with which party's president is in office.

Adam 09-30-08 12:27 AM

I forgot that the party running the country for the last 8 years had nothing to do with it.

Magic5 09-30-08 12:31 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam
I forgot that the party running the country for the last 8 years had nothing to do with it.


Explain to me what the Republican Party did to mess up the economy.

_Talksic_ 09-30-08 02:25 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam
I forgot that the party running the country for the last 8 years had nothing to do with it.

....lmao the mans got a point.

_Talksic_ 09-30-08 02:26 AM

how bout sending jobs overseas.

Magic5 09-30-08 09:18 AM

No, he doesn't have a point and the government had nothing to do with whether businesses decided to send jobs overseas or not. Regardless, the outsourcing of jobs is not the cause of the financial crisis that we're in now.

Try again.

p4ntzistheish 09-30-08 10:12 AM

Saying that 8 years of gov't has NO effect on the economic strife is just saying he's wrong because you don't wanna be on a losing side. Everything the gov't does has an impact on everything directly or indirectly. So yes, he does have a point, albeit small, but a point nonetheless.

Magic5 09-30-08 02:48 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantz.
Saying that 8 years of gov't has NO effect on the economic strife is just saying he's wrong because you don't wanna be on a losing side. Everything the gov't does has an impact on everything directly or indirectly. So yes, he does have a point, albeit small, but a point nonetheless.


Explain to me how the Republican Party fucked up the economy.

Somebody? Anyone?

Oh, wait. Nobody who knows what's going on is blaming the Republican Party. Welcome to rapverse.

09-30-08 02:56 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimesis
Explain to me how the Republican Party fucked up the economy.

Somebody? Anyone?

Oh, wait. Nobody who knows what's going on is blaming the Republican Party. Welcome to rapverse.


can someone explain what rapverse has to do with blaming the republican party?

Magic5 09-30-08 03:14 PM

Well, we're on rapverse and people here are blaming the Republican Party for the financial crisis we're in. Considering only people who don't know what's going on would make that claim, I think it's fairly easy to connect the dots and say that most people here don't understand what's going on.

09-30-08 03:23 PM

Well we're on rapverse is one thing.

Dumbasses have a keyboard is another.

Your hypocrisy in that fact was something that needed to be pointed out. Not that you would have understood short of my explanation.

I'm sure there are people so stupid as to blame your signature for our current epidemic in America right now ..

But it WAS a republican and his party's influence that put us in this situation. You're just taking it a step further to think they are blaming every republican on the role.

Lol.

Magic5 09-30-08 03:39 PM

Hahahahahaha, really? Bush put us here? I can only assume that's who you're talking about, but if I'm wrong feel free to correct me. While you're at it, explain what Bush did to fuck up the economy.

You're such a fucking idiot, man. You can't explain it because he didn't fuck up the economy. Nobody in the Republican Party fucked up the economy. Nobody in the Democratic Party fucked up the economy.

You guys are clowns man.

09-30-08 03:43 PM

The war put us in debt.

Magic5 09-30-08 03:49 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, that's it?!?! Is this a fucking joke? Jesus Christ, you're about as far off base as the guy who said outsourcing. The war hasn't been the cause of the financial crisis that we're in. Not even fucking close.

Kirk 09-30-08 05:39 PM

"Hey... uhh. You guys wanna get outta here? I think my baked potato just got done."

Adam 09-30-08 06:37 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2v
The war put us in debt.


Bingo.

Who made that decision again?

Case and point.

p4ntzistheish 09-30-08 07:02 PM

So if we're not in a war in 2000, and over the next 7 we are we're supposed to stay at the exact same financial status? That's like saying if I spend 20 bucks a week on food, then increase to 30 without making more money I'll have the same amount of money in my pocket.

p4ntzistheish 09-30-08 07:06 PM

This should help prove the point more.

http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm

The change in avg. revenue and spending chart is my favorite.

09-30-08 07:44 PM

No, you shouldn't argue with Mimesis about it.

Mimesis is locked in a world where macro-economics are the controller of the larger part of the economy, plus he thinks that current predicaments outside of the worth of the dollar are what's the current problem with America right now. He has 100% reason to keep his view because he's in the territory of speculation, but that doesn't change the fact that he's an idiot for going around and tossing the word Idiot at everyone who doesn't think like him.

Cola 09-30-08 08:01 PM

ignorance is bliss

Sean Gunner 09-30-08 08:04 PM

WWII brought us out of the depression. If it wasn't for that war it could have taken another decade.

Magic5 09-30-08 10:25 PM

This site is hopeless. The financial crisis we're in has absolutely nothing to do with us being in a war. Ignorance must be bliss if you guys really think and believe that that's the case. I've wasted way too much of my time talking to people on this site who have 0 idea of what's happening. Everybody can bag on me because I'm riding the train where the people in the know are on, while everybody else on this site is riding the bandwagon of idiocy. It's cool. I'm about done coming to this site anyway.

2v, the reason I throw around the word 'idiot' on this site is because this site is full of idiots. It's a fairly easy concept to understand.

The fact you guys seriously think the crisis we're in has some connection to the war is laughable on multiple levels. I can't even talk to you guys any more. The stupidity that you guys have thrown in this thread is unbelievable.

Magic5 09-30-08 10:28 PM

And just to eliminate confusion about how the war is irrelevant, the financial crisis we're in has no relevance to the amount of national debt either, so your points that the war has raised national debt is obvious and correct, but doesn't mean anything in this crisis.


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